For Muslims: Our attitudes towards Kuffars

As I said before. You. Have. Not. Got. A. Clue. Ok? I'm saying it again. Anyone who has left Islam have left because their culture has dominated their lives and the line of distinction between culture and religion has become blurred. But, isn't Islam also the fastest growing religion? muslims are reverting everyday. You consider that.

You know I feel so sorry for you. Muslims will understand why I'm saying this. The energy and love that fills you is nothing you will ever be able to imagine until you experience it. My mother is a revert. she feels the same. My uncle Idrees is a revert. He feels the same. My best friend is a revert. she feels the same. my aunty Aisha is a revert she feels the same. Along with the entire muslim ummah... WE ALL FEEL THE SAME.

But you refuse to see that. InshAllah, Allah will remove the blindfold and the seal on your heart so you can feel this amazing love and happiness.

You aren't describing any emotion that Christians themselves do not experience. We often call it the "the peace that surpasses all understanding." My life with Christ has given that to me. Islam has given it to you. All people of sincere faith have a "clue".
 
You aren't describing any emotion that Christians themselves do not experience. We often call it the "the peace that surpasses all understanding." My life with Christ has given that to me. Islam has given it to you. All people of sincere faith have a "clue".

lol no my brother. It is not the same. Trust me :)
 
lol no my brother. It is not the same. Trust me :)



I also firmly believe that the feeling I get is not like the feeling that a Buddhist gets when he meditates on Buddha or w/e.

Also, that "fuzzy feeling" is very fickle for people. One minute you have it and suddenly when a question pops up against it, you start to think and lose that feeling.

This "clue" is sustainable and more powerful for true believers, fleeting for "non believers" who reflect, and "sustainable" for ignorant believers who don't reflect
 
I also firmly believe that the feeling I get is not like the feeling that a Buddhist gets when he meditates on Buddha or w/e.

Also, that "fuzzy feeling" is very fickle for people. One minute you have it and suddenly when a question pops up against it, you start to think and lose that feeling.

This "clue" is sustainable and more powerful for true believers, fleeting for "non believers" who reflect, and "sustainable" for ignorant believers who don't reflect

Thank you brother :) Finally someone who understands! lol :D
 
No, I'm afraid I can't trust you in this regard. Personally, my experience may be more profound than yours. There is no way to measure such a concept.

And may we let God decide in the end who was right and wrong and if, God forbid, that this progressivist attitude among us is true.
 
AKK and RG, you are very confident in your exact knowledge of what everyone feels.

So, for me to better understand as a non-believer, is this sustained feeling greater than the peak of enjoyment I receive when my favorite football team scores a last second touchdown to win. If it is greater please, let me know by what multiple (2.8x, 5x, 1.2 times, etc.).

Thanks.
 
You are an Atheist. There's no point trying to comprehend the feeling of God/Allah being happy with you, to have guided you. It's so amazing.
 
Actually, atheism has given me an inner peace that is like 10x your inner peace.
 
AKK and RG, you are very confident in your exact knowledge of what everyone feels.

So, for me to better understand as a non-believer, is this sustained feeling greater than the peak of enjoyment I receive when my favorite football team scores a last second touchdown to win. If it is greater please, let me know by what multiple (2.8x, 5x, 1.2 times, etc.).

Thanks.



It's hard to tell the tone of people on this forum but w/e :D. God has guaranteed me happiness in religion but not football. So it can be agreed that the happiness with religion will be greater.

Since this leaves football in an ambiguous position. We can at least say that joy of religion> joy of football

At least this is how it should be if you realize the truth of God and follow him.

Spiritual joy is greater and more lasting than a goal in football.
 
Actually, atheism has given me an inner peace that is like 10x your inner peace.

I'll let God decide who's inner peace is true and who is fooling themselves. While your praising the joy of nothing please acquaint yourself with the local drunks who also feel good about nothing.
 
If it is any consolation, I don't want 'respect'. I just want tolerance!

Tolerance is all that is needed for peaceful coexistence. Different social groups simply need to give each other space to live their own life's.
 
If it is any consolation, I don't want 'respect'. I just want tolerance!

Tolerance is all that is needed for peaceful coexistence. Different social groups simply need to give each other space to live their own life's.


Muslims will not and should not tolerate falsehood. Though this doesn't mean go out and smash the nearest idol near you, this means that we will never give up promotion the truth. You as an atheist don't believe this and see religions as all the same and false. We on the other hand see the other religions as deviations from what was given int he first place. Thus do we struggle against falsehood in ways such has scholarly refutations of false beliefs. Like the Prophet (pbuh) said, the ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr.


God does sees other religions as deviations and so do we. Allah asked us o promote truth and so we shall.

They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths but Allah will perfect His light, though the unbelievers may be averse. Quran 61:08
 
lol no my brother. It is not the same. Trust me :)
How can I trust you on this? You say you were once a Christian. But as Muslim think that no one who is a true Muslim would ever leave Islam, so I can't imagine anyone that had every had a personal relationship with Christ would walk away from it. You may have been a "member" of some Christian church, even had warm "fuzzy feelings" as AKK describes them. But faith in Christ and the peace that comes from giving one's life over to him is soooo much more. I believe if you had really known that, you would never have looked for or been satisfied with the type of peace you find elsewhere. I don't think you are even in a position to evaluate, let alone pass judgment on, whether or not I have a clue. That you think you can answers the question of this thread regarding Muslim attitudes twoard Kuffars -- they are narcissistic.


And here is another part of why I say that:
Muslims will not and should not tolerate falsehood.

The ego of the narcissist is so big that he thinks it is all about him. It isn't.

Consider that God himself tolerates falsehood. Before you jump down my throat, look at the world. There is much falsehood. God has the power to change it all in the blink of an eye, but he doesn't. Rather, God allows human free will to act. To act even in destructive, disruptive, and dispicable ways. Why? Why when if he has the power and is intolerable of such falsehoods does he still allow it to exist? I suggest that there are only two answers. Either (a) God is actually intolerant of these existing falsehood, but doesn't have the power to do anything about it, or (b) God has the power, but is willing to tolerate them, at least for a time, until such time that he brings an end to human history as we know it and set all things right once again. Since I don't believe God to be impotent, I tend to think that God is therefore tolerant.

Tolerance is different than accepting. God doesn't accept the deviations of falsehood and unrighteousness that exist in the world. But he does tolerate them, showing grace toward them, at least long enough so that he might work to effect a change in them and return them to truth and righteousness. One must have a degree of tolerance, if one is to hope to make a change in that which is false and convert it to that which is true. I think that Muhammad showed considerable tolerance on many occassion (though of course not all), today's Muslim would be wise to learn and emulate that aspect of the prophet (pbuh).
 
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You think I went to Islam without fully experiencing Christianity. Am I correct? I've studied christianity. I'm totally unsatisfied with it. Too many contradictions. Too many unanswered questions. Don't underestimate me because of my age :)
 
You think I went to Islam without fully experiencing Christianity. Am I correct? I've studied christianity. I'm totally unsatisfied with it. Too many contradictions. Too many unanswered questions. Don't underestimate me because of my age :)
I haven't any idea of your age. But studying Christianity is not the same thing as experiencing Christ. They are radically different concepts.

As for unanswered questions and contradictions, well I see some of those things as well. But I have learned to live with a certain level of ambiguity that perhaps you cannot. And that is alright. No one says you have to accept ambiguity or that you should adopt a faith that doesn't answer all of your questions.

I too continue to search for answers to some questions myself. But I know Jesus. I put my trust in him personally, not my knowledge of him. For me, that has made all the difference.
 
As I said before. You. Have. Not. Got. A. Clue. Ok? I'm saying it again. Anyone who has left Islam have left because their culture has dominated their lives and the line of distinction between culture and religion has become blurred. But, isn't Islam also the fastest growing religion? muslims are reverting everyday. You consider that.
My crisis of faith had nothing to do with culture. I just wasn't convinced by Islam anymore. There wasn't any evidence or what I felt to be compelling argument for.

You know I feel so sorry for you. Muslims will understand why I'm saying this. The energy and love that fills you is nothing you will ever be able to imagine until you experience it. My mother is a revert. she feels the same. My uncle Idrees is a revert. He feels the same. My best friend is a revert. she feels the same. my aunty Aisha is a revert she feels the same. Along with the entire muslim ummah... WE ALL FEEL THE SAME.
Feelings can fade.
But you refuse to see that. InshAllah, Allah will remove the blindfold and the seal on your heart so you can feel this amazing love and happiness.
I've never quite understood why Allah would put seals on the hearts of people or why He would guide some and not others.
 
You think I went to Islam without fully experiencing Christianity. Am I correct?
Yes, that is the cop-out that Christians use when one leaves Christianity and becomes a Muslim. They say something to the effect of, "Oh, he never REALLY accepted Jesus as his saviour," or "He never REALLY had a personal relationship with God through Jesus." I know because it has been said to me often enough! Quite convenient, don't you think?
 

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