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[Abz2000]

And I would not even try, with or without God. We are too small and insignificant to understand it at the moment.

If you don't understand it - consider the answers - some of which are confirmed by the messengers, whose existence and miracles also confirm the fact.


The following video is a propaganda advert by a usurious bank (most likely run by jews) which was seeking to create support for david cameron over gordon brown - the message however is quite thoughtful:

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Raymann;

And I would not even try, with or without God. We are too small and insignificant to understand it at the moment.

Without your verifiable proof, it seems that your truthful position in life is that of an agnostic, you don't know.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God the creator',

Eric

 

[Alamgir]

You mean an objective authority that only exists according to your SUBJECTIVE thinking, interesting.
I admire your blind FAITH, but that's what faith is, the unproven belief of something.
I have no problem and don't intend to question your faith and belief but pretending that now you can somehow use logic and some primitive scientific thinking to make sense of the metaphysical world borders the ridiculous.

As stated before, it's not 'blind', we have pretty solid evidence to back our claims but you won't ever listen, because you don't want there to be a God. Simple as.

 

[Raymann]

Without your verifiable proof, it seems that your truthful position in life is that of an agnostic, you don't know.

Yes, depends on how you look at it. An Atheist in general is the one who doesn't believe God exists, an agnostic is not sure.
In both cases we are talking about belief and belief is subjective and doesn't require proof.

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If you don't understand it - consider the answers - some of which are confirmed by the messengers, whose existence and miracles also confirm the fact.

Correct me if I'm wrong but in very few words, your belief is based on the absence of a real answer. In other words if you cannot find the answer then God has to be the answer.
God doesn't need to be proven since is based on FAITH.
I'm not here to criticize your faith nor religion but it is what it is.

 

[Abz2000]

Yes, depends on how you look at it. An Atheist in general is the one who doesn't believe God exists, an agnostic is not sure.

An atheist is one who covers and then rejects the just truth, and Allah :swt: calls this type of person "kaafir" and curses them for their falsehood and resultant injustice.

In both cases we are talking about belief and belief is subjective and doesn't require proof.

There is something called yaqeen (certainty) - and this transcends initial belief.

 

[Raymann]

An atheist is one who covers and then rejects the just truth

Wow, it's totally the opposite. You have a lot to learn. An atheist is always looking for proven answers unlike you (religious people)
Statistics show that most scientists are atheists and scientists are always looking to find and prove things.

 

[Abz2000]

I'm telling you that atheists are liars who are in denial - they know very well the truth of God's existence and that of the messengers -but they lie to the people of the planet whislt seeking to corrupt themselves and other people, and whilst, in the stalling process -unwittingly discrediting their own perverse actions.

They are such blatant liars that they have turned the field of science into a joke by basing many of their assumptions on falsehood after suppressing the obvious truth. I believe that the primary reason for this is that they are dupes of satanic jews who expoit and enslave them via usury - these are the same jews who denied the obvious truth in the past and attempted to make my life difficult. (The concept of this is explained by george orwell in his description of "pornosec" where the proles (goyim)are kept corrupt and careless via promotion of perversion in their midst. The weird part in this situation is that the perversion ended up taking control of the perversive controllers of this perversion to the extent that nat rothschild - descendent and torchbearer of false messiah n.m rothschild, and creator of the page 7 fella -over-fantasized over page 3 girl loretta basey to the extent that he made her his lawful wedded wife).
Interesting that "pornosec" was aimed at the foolish, the poor, and the downtrodden in the gutters - yet took over the most "cultured" of the synagogue of satan -but let's not veer too much off topic.



The amazing thing about blatant falsehood is that it is the cause of people's awakening on a higher level - since people realise that they are in denial, hate that their life is a lie, and feel the need to do something about it.

Your blatant denial - with simultaneous hatred for Islam is actually a source of great ironical pondering for people who care to think. Thank you for this training course within the matrix


The perversion, falsehood, and hypocritical false accusations of the synagogue of satan were always answered - yet they continually undid themselves by their own hands and their actions were factored in to the presentation.



21. He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."
22. So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
23. And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"
24. But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
25. "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
26. "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to ((Allah)) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"
27. At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
29. But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
30. He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
31. "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
32. "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
33. "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
34. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.
35. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.
36. Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.
37. But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day!
38. How plainly will they see and hear, the Day that they will appear before Us! but the unjust today are in error manifest!
39. But warn them of the Day of Distress, when the matter will be determined: for (behold,) they are negligent and they do not believe!
40. It is We Who will inherit the earth, and all beings thereon: to Us will they all be returned.


From Quran, Chapter 19, Maryam.

 

[air]

Wow, it's totally the opposite. You have a lot to learn. An atheist is always looking for proven answers unlike you (religious people)
Statistics show that most scientists are atheists and scientists are always looking to find and prove things.

Interesting, from where did you get that statistic, and can you prove it?

I am curious to ask you this, if I say I have a cat, but I don't want to show it to anyone for now, 'maybe' later, do all atheist believe that my cat is just my imaginary/delusion?

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Raymann;

Wow, it's totally the opposite. You have a lot to learn. An atheist is always looking for proven answers unlike you (religious people)

You must always remember that when you point the finger and imply hypocrite, there are three fingers pointing back at you. And you have already admitted you cannot prove how the universe and life came into being without God. The verifiable proof that you are always going on about does not exist.

Like you we are always searching for answers, but we do have a faith and trust that God exists.

Statistics show that most scientists are atheists and scientists are always looking to find and prove things.

It seems atheist scientists are desperate to try and prove there is no God, the big ToE seems to be an example. There is no verifiable evidence as to how single cell life billions of years ago evolved into a toe, complete with bones, ligaments, tendons muscles skin and a brain to control movement. Yet science is claiming all this is a done deal with a lack of verifiable evidence.

In the spirit of searching for God,
Eric

 

[Raymann]

if I say I have a cat, but I don't want to show it to anyone for now, 'maybe' later, do all atheist believe that my cat is just my imaginary/delusion?

No, we would think you're a weirdo.

 

[Raymann]

It seems atheist scientists are desperate to try and prove there is no God

Wrong. Scientists try to prove anything that is not proven yet.
Scientists would love to find the explanation of how everything happened, but there's no reliable evidence God was what started it all.
You cannot see, touch, hear or smell God.
It doesn't make sense.
Created complex dna for every single creature on earth but still cannot figure out a good method of communication between him and every single human being.
You would think he should be able to snap a finger and send a global e-mail updating rules as times change.
Or even better send telepathic messages to every human being.
I could think of a million reasons why God doesn't make sense but I don't want to bore you.

 

[Futuwwa]

So Atheists have a monopoly on reason? Why didn't you tell us straight away? We could have saved much useless back-and-forth that way, you could simply straight up one-way tell us how it is.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Raymann;

Wrong. Scientists try to prove anything that is not proven yet.

Trying means they do not have the golden nuggets of verifiable evidence.

You would think he should be able to snap a finger and send a global e-mail updating rules as times change.
Or even better send telepathic messages to every human being.

There is evidence, and prophets have been sent, but people ignore what they want to ignore. No one should smoke in the UK, every cigarette packet has graphic pictures and warnings about the dangers of smoking. I am happy to agree with the scientists who have verified evidence to support this claim.

In the spirit of searching for 'One God'

Eric

 

[Raymann]

So Atheists have a monopoly on reason?

Absolutely not.

Why didn't you tell us straight away? We could have saved much useless back-and-forth that way, you could simply straight up one-way tell us how it is.

Tell you what?
When I tell you what I believe about something that cannot be proven I'm just giving you my personal opinion.

Science cannot prove that God exists but that doesn't mean God doesn't exist.
Do you understand that?
Science is pretty bad when dealing with the metaphysical world and that is understandable.
We welcome all attempts to prove God, even using non scientific methods.
In my personal opinion the popular religions have failed to come close to a reasonable explanation of God.
Again, is my personal opinion.

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There is evidence, and prophets have been sent, but people ignore what they want to ignore.

If I was God I could have think many better ways rather than send prophets, but that is just me.
Method 1. Very simple, using telepathy.
Wouldn't have been much more productive to send direct telepathic messages to every human being on earth?
Who would have doubt the existence of God if every single person received the same message at the same time?
Are you saying that the one that created all couldn't create a telepathic way of communication with all human beings?

 

[Ümit]

Absolutely not.
Tell you what?
When I tell you what I believe about something that cannot be proven I'm just giving you my personal opinion.

Evolution theory cannot be proven...The big bang theory cannot be proven...theory of gravity cannot be proven...the quantum theory cannot be proven...So these are just personal opinions?

Science cannot prove that God exists but that doesn't mean God doesn't exist.
Do you understand that?

Science will never be able to prove the existence of God, because if it was possible, then the purpose of this Whole Earth would be void.
Do you understand that?

Science is pretty bad when dealing with the metaphysical world and that is understandable.
We welcome all attempts to prove God, even using non scientific methods.
In my personal opinion the popular religions have failed to come close to a reasonable explanation of God.
Again, is my personal opinion.

Then tell us, how much do you know about the islamic explanation of God? Either you are missing information or you do not want to understand.

If I was God I could have think many better ways rather than send prophets, but that is just me.
Method 1. Very simple, using telepathy.
Wouldn't have been much more productive to send direct telepathic messages to every human being on earth?
Who would have doubt the existence of God if every single person received the same message at the same time?
Are you saying that the one that created all couldn't create a telepathic way of communication with all human beings?

This is plain bullsh*t
Again, either you do not know anything about the Islamic view of God, or you do not want to understand.
God does not need to send telepathic messages to every human...He could program all his messages into us on the moment He created us...He is allknowing you know?

But again, if He did that, then we did not have to come to live temporarily on Earth, die and get resurrected again.

You are totally missing the point.

 

[Raymann]

Again, either you do not know anything about the Islamic view of God, or you do not want to understand.

Why don't you explain it in a concise and not boring manner, maybe I can learn something new today.

 

[Ümit]

Why don't you explain it in a concise and not boring manner, maybe I can learn something new today.

I'd love to do it...and if you have followed some other threads you would see I tried to explain it multiple times to several people.
I could do the same here...but then, you do not seem to be much interested in it anyways.

you may claim that you do not accept Islam because there is no scientific proof...but you cannot claim that it makes no sense.
This because Islam is a very logical, reasonable religion.

Claiming that it does not make sense means either you do not have all the information you need to understand...or you are not interested and you do not want to understand.

And in this case I suspect the last one.

 

[Raymann]

you may claim that you do not accept Islam because there is no scientific proof...but you cannot claim that it makes no sense.

Sorry but that is exactly my claim. It doesn't make any sense. I know it cannot be proven by current scientific methods but I do believe in the metaphysical world so there has to be some other way to prove it.
I haven't come across any convincing one.

Originally Posted by Raymann
Why don't you explain it ....

I'd love to do it...

Why do you think Islam makes sense?

 

[Ümit]

Sorry but that is exactly my claim. It doesn't make any sense. I know it cannot be proven by current scientific methods but I do believe in the metaphysical world so there has to be some other way to prove it.
I haven't come across any convincing one.

Why do you think Islam makes sense?

Because like in my previous post mentioned, it is logical and perfectly aligned with science.

A better approach would be you telling us why you think that Islam would not make any sense. At least then we understand where you stand.

 

[Raymann]

it is logical and perfectly aligned with science.

A better approach would be you telling us why you think that Islam would not make any sense.

No, a better approach would be for you to support your claim.