German State Court Upholds Headscarf Ban for Teachers

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IbnAbdulHakim said:
look, seriously, please use your common sense a little.

Many of our muslim women including my own blood sisters feel naked in public without their hijaab. To rob them of their hijaab is to rob their clothing, decency and shame. The hijaab is not meant to offend anyone nor is it there to distract anyone from their studies.


That court has ruled with nothing less then hatred for islam, and anyone who cant see that is blind...
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absolutly true bro thanks.
when i dont have my hijab on i feel as tho there is something missing. and i do feel naked. i feel more free with my hijab. i LOVE my hijab!!! :D
 
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Tolerance works both ways. I myself am very tolerant - though admittedly my translation of tolerance is akin to apathy. In short, I honestly couldn't care less what your skin colour is or what clothes you are wearing, just stay out of my way and I'll do the same.

Anti-social? Possibly.
Tolerant? Heck yes.

As for this particular thread, here are my 8 rupees: You cannot ban a headscarf in a country that allows people to wear what they want. It's quite frankly stupid and only proves my point that humans are full of crap and double standards.
 
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aamirsaab said:
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Tolerance works both ways. I myself am very tolerant - though admittedly my translation of tolerance is akin to apathy. In short, I honestly couldn't care less what your skin colour is or what clothes you are wearing, just stay out of my way and I'll do the same.

Anti-social? Possibly.
Tolerant? Heck yes.

As for this particular thread, here are my 8 rupees: You cannot ban a headscarf in a country that allows people to wear what they want. It's quite frankly stupid and only proves my point that humans are full of crap and double standards.
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well said! ;D
 
Duh, I like this one. First you say this:

aamirsaab said:
just stay out of my way and I'll do the same.
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but then, you go on with this:

aamirsaab said:
You cannot ban a headscarf in a country that allows people to wear what they want.
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Ok, so, to recite your words, but in an different way:

Don't like the Ban, so leave the country. and Stay out of our way, and we'll do the same. That's what Germans would tell you using the same words than yours.

Beside, a Headscarf has nothing to do with clothes/wearing. It is an religious expression.
 
aamirsaab said:
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Tolerance works both ways. I myself am very tolerant - though admittedly my translation of tolerance is akin to apathy. In short, I honestly couldn't care less what your skin colour is or what clothes you are wearing, just stay out of my way and I'll do the same.

Anti-social? Possibly.
Tolerant? Heck yes.

As for this particular thread, here are my 8 rupees: You cannot ban a headscarf in a country that allows people to wear what they want. It's quite frankly stupid and only proves my point that humans are full of crap and double standards.
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To be fair, while I don't agree with the decision, this is about attire at public schools, not what dress is allowed in public.
 
Remember, this is about the right of teachers to wear headscarf's, not students. Teachers cannot show their religion. You can't hang a cross around your neck, nor put one on the wall. This is despite the fact that it doesn't seemingly 'hurt anyone'. In the West the general rule is that religion does not belong in the classroom, at least not from the teachers side, who is an authority as far as the kids are concerned. France goes much further though, there students aren't allowed to wear a scarf in school.

I personally am torn about the right of teachers to wear a headscarf. I generally believe an employer has a right to enforce some kind of dress code. I can also see how religious symbols don't belong in public schools. I can imagine some parents would get a bit squeamish about it. I mean, I would also get worried if a nun started teaching my children. But then again, who cares about a headscarf, as long as they don't preach their religion to the kids there isn't really a problem, is there?. The whole issue deals with how to interpret the head scarf. Is it a religious symbol? Does it make a political or religious statement? To most it is no doubt just a personal matter, they wear it because it makes them feel better. So I would tend towards allowing it.

The issue whether students can wear headscarf seems much clearer to me. That is a fundamental right, since teenagers are forced to go to school they should not be forced to take of the headscarf.
 
KAding said:
Teachers cannot show their religion. You can't hang a cross around your neck, nor put one on the wall. .
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yeah but do you think God will send you to hell for disobeying his clear commandments whilst you know this life is nothing but a mere delusion made as a stream of tests?

what i mean by the above statement is "ARE THESE ACTS SUCH AS DISPLAYING THE CROSS ETC OBLIGATORY IN CHRISTIANITY?"


understand that hijaab is FARD in islam (highest form of obligation !) and to not do it implies that a muslim woman agrees to the severe punishments prescribed for those who disobey this command!



i hope you understand it a bit better now !

KAding said:
The issue whether students can wear headscarf seems much clearer to me. That is a fundamental right, since teenagers are forced to go to school they should not be forced to take of the headscarf.
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hmm i see your point, your right teachers dont hav to be teachers, its not compulsary. :)
 
It seems to me if the government applied a rule about headscarves after a teacher were hired (and had been wearing one for a while) then there might be some argument, but if the rule is understood ahead of time, it seems well within the rights of the government to make such policy.

On the other hand, as I stated before, it does seem pretty harmless. Seems to me a low-cut dress could be more disruptive than a headscarf.
 
I have no problem with muslim women wearing headscarfs.

I just demand that anywhere they can wear a headscarf I be allowed to wear a ski mask. My concern only arises where security and identity are at issue.
 
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snakelegs said:
well said! ;D
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Well, I do have my moments, though they are often weeks apart.

guyabano said:
Duh, I like this one. First you say this:


just stay out of my way and I'll do the same.

but then, you go on with this:


You cannot ban a headscarf in a country that allows people to wear what they want.
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The two statements do not contradict each other. I previously stated, a sentence before, that your attire and skin colour mean nothing to me.

Here, I shall translate my statement in as simple terms as possible:

I am not bothered by your skin tone/colour or attire. Simply stay out of my way (e.g. don't walk into me or invade my personal space - which is not the same as leave this country) and I will act accordingly.


Ok, so, to recite your words, but in an different way:

Don't like the Ban, so leave the country. and Stay out of our way, and we'll do the same. That's what Germans would tell you using the same words than yours.
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Read previous statement.

Beside, a Headscarf has nothing to do with clothes/wearing. It is an religious expression.
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Correction: A personal religious expression. Seriously, what is the problem of a teacher wearing their particular religious garment whether it be a cross or symbol of david or what ever? I mean, surely if this society is all about tolerance, we really shouldn't be bickering over such trivial things, right?

Keltoi said:
To be fair, while I don't agree with the decision, this is about attire at public schools, not what dress is allowed in public.
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Fair enough.

Cognescenti said:
....On the other hand, as I stated before, it does seem pretty harmless. Seems to me a low-cut dress could be more disruptive than a headscarf
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That's one way of looking at it. ;D
 
Pygoscelis said:
I just demand that anywhere they can wear a headscarf I be allowed to wear a ski mask. My concern only arises where security and identity are at issue.
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lol thats fair :D im sure muslim women can avoid places which arise suspicion
 
Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
I just demand that anywhere they can wear a headscarf I be allowed to wear a ski mask. My concern only arises where security and identity are at issue.
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any sighted person knows differnce between head scarf and a ski mask aka nikaab.

but the blind and mentally challenged are another matter.

ROFL
 
guyabano said:
Beside, a Headscarf has nothing to do with clothes/wearing. It is an religious expression.
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This is where you and many others fall into a serious mistake. The headscarf has nothing to do with religious expression, and everything to do with clothes and modesty.

It doesn't matter what we wear on our heads as long as if covers the whole head except for the face. I could wear a beanie and a scarf around my neck, with the hood of a jumper over it, only my face would show and it would meet the requirements and no one would even realise I was doing it for religious reasons it it was a really cold day!

Just because it is an obligation, doesn't mean it is an 'expression' or even a symbol as many people wrongly call it.
 
Malaikah said:
This is where you and many others fall into a serious mistake. The headscarf has nothing to do with religious expression, and everything to do with clothes and modesty.
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So non-Muslims who do not ware a headscarf are not modest. Right?
 
Things that are said in jest are not seen in jest by all people. Keep this thread on topic and watch what is said in jest. It may not be seen in jest by a MOD
 
If that was in reference to the post I just had deleted/moved-to-recycle-bin it was not said in jest and nor was it off topic.
 
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Malaikah said:
This is where you and many others fall into a serious mistake. The headscarf has nothing to do with religious expression, and everything to do with clothes and modesty.

It doesn't matter what we wear on our heads as long as if covers the whole head except for the face. I could wear a beanie and a scarf around my neck, with the hood of a jumper over it, only my face would show and it would meet the requirements and no one would even realise I was doing it for religious reasons it it was a really cold day!

Just because it is an obligation, doesn't mean it is an 'expression' or even a symbol as many people wrongly call it.
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Well, you see it this way, I see it different. Schools are for studying and not to express a religion. Anyway, once, out of school, they can put back their headscarf. Anyway, Germany has choosen this solution, and people have to respect it. Don´t like it, well change school.
 
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