Homophobia, not injustice, is what really fires the faiths

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IbnAbdulHakim said:
This shows a huge lack of faith, your thinking in the material sense. Your thinking children stop parents from going to holidays and spending alone time am i right? Well this isnt the way muslims see it, we see them as comfort for our eyes, we can go into a whole discussion about this. Would you like to? :)
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While I do have a huge lack of faith (and I consider that a virtue :D ), that isn't relavent because I wasn't making any such claim or statement. I was just clarifying yours. You consider childless couples less in love?
 
yes i do :), it is far more likely to find a couple with children still happy after many years then a couple without children.

care to disagree ? :)
 
assalaamu alaykum,

to the people of the book, peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,

a jewish man (non practicing, almost atheist from my previous email conversations with him) writing in todays independent made a startling observation that i am suprised no one has had the sense to see it before.

i was aware of this fact but it just didnt click with me but i guess that is why he is a paid newspaper columnist and i am not.

'if white families cannot adopt a black child because it would suffer identity confusion why can homosexual children adopt assumedly hetrosexual children?'

it is a glaring contradiction in adoption policy in the uk given the recent debate on gay adoption in the uk.

assalaamu alaykum,

to the people of the book, peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,

Abu Abdullah
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
yes i do :), it is far more likely to find a couple with children still happy after many years then a couple without children.

care to disagree ? :)
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I don't really agree or disagree. Just never heard this claim before.
 
Pygoscelis said:
I don't really agree or disagree. Just never heard this claim before.
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really? Thats strange. I know many couples who say that their children give them joy and increase their love, it creates a stronger bond. But im sure a couple can love each other very strongly without requiring children aswell
 
Well if you are right, homosexual couples can always adopt.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Well if you are right, homosexual couples can always adopt.
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that is the point of our debate in the first place,

if homosexuality is wrong then they should live with the consequences, one of which is childlessness.

homosexuality is wrong, it is wrong to raise children in such an environment less they want to follow it.

Abu Abdullah
 
Pygoscelis said:
The main reason people find homosexuality imorral is because of religious dogma. Take away that dogma, such as in atheists, and it is no longer seen as imorral.
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Typical of an atheist. They can't even spell 'immoral' properly :rolleyes: :embarrass :smile: :D.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
homosexuality is most certainly socially destructive, theres many more women then men on earth therefore many women will be without partners also gays cannot give birth and children create love between partners.
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You somehow assume that homosexuality is limited to men :eek:. Thats clearly false. In reality they pretty much even eachother out so there is no problem :).

Besides, doesn't Islam formally allow polygamy?
 
KAdling, scroll up a few posts. You just posted almost exactly what I did previously! lol
 
^ lol thank you, also KAding that in noway changes the fact that in this case all women will have to resort to such a sick thing, humanity will cease to exist !
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
^ lol thank you, also KAding that in noway changes the fact that in this case all women will have to resort to such a sick thing, humanity will cease to exist !
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They won't of course. Like Fishman said earlier, I don't think anyone chooses to become gay, why would they? Besides, I don't think men are really necessary anymore for reproduction :D.

NPR: The End of Men - Making Sperm, No Men Necessary

It won't be long before all that is needed is a bit of DNA and a woman willing to carry the baby! We could abolish sex and introduce world peace! Surely that must be music in the ears of any good Christian or Muslim ;). We might even be able to abolish the hijab eventually! We have two choices, either stop breeding men, or 'fix them' (*wink/nudge*) when they are still young!
 
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KAding said:
They won't of course. Like Fishman said earlier, I don't think anyone chooses to become gay, why would they? Besides, I don't think men are really necessary anymore for reproduction :D.

NPR: The End of Men - Making Sperm, No Men Necessary

It won't be long before all that is needed is a bit of DNA and a woman willing to carry the baby! We could abolish sex and introduce world peace! Surely that must be music in the ears of any good Christian or Muslim ;). We might even be able to abolish the hijab eventually! We have two choices, either stop breeding men, or 'fix them' (*wink/nudge*) when they are still young!
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dangerous thoughts man, dangerous thoughts :muddlehea
 
KAding said:
Surely that must be music in the ears of any good Christian or Muslim ;).
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Well considering that music is something unlawful/sinful in Islam, yes it is like music indeed!

Anyway, Muslims are rewarded for what they lawfully do in their privacy as husband and wife, because they are satisfying themselves in a lawful manner, as opposed to an unlawful manner...

So, no, I don't think anyone would be so happy about missing an easy chance of scoring good deeds.

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what a dumb thread.. I am glad I didn't see it before.
first dude makes assimilation between animals and humans.. well amazingly animals are hardly ever monogamous
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Monogamy-is-an-Oddity-42006.shtml

yet polygamy is a crime but homosexuality isn't?.. oh wait it was indeed up to the early seventies in the civilzed yet very fickle west..

why don't we all live by the rules that govern animals not just when it comes to homosexuality?

then compares sexuality to religion..
we should stick with animal dominated society, seems to fit some best!
 
Sometime ago, a muslim friend of mine was leaving a counselling session in uni. As he left the office, he noticed a classmate standing by the door outside. Hoping this classmate hadn't overheard the conversation with the counsellor he hurried along to his classes.

This particular person followed him home, sometime after uni, and as he turned down the street where lived, they attacked him.

Why?
He doesnt know
All he heard were the words
"gay faggot"

Hes in physio atm - having broken his leg and arm.
 
accepting homosexuality to that extent is a sign of a civilization's decline...
simply look at the attitude towards 'gays' in Europe, for so many centuries there were openly homosexual priests, and then before the crusades, they were no more. the opposite happened with the Arabs/Muslims, no acceptance of homosexuals for the most part, and then you find people like Abu Nawas and guess what happens...
 
Playwright said:
Sometime ago, a muslim friend of mine was leaving a counselling session in uni. As he left the office, he noticed a classmate standing by the door outside. Hoping this classmate hadn't overheard the conversation with the counsellor he hurried along to his classes.

This particular person followed him home, sometime after uni, and as he turned down the street where lived, they attacked him.

Why?
He doesnt know
All he heard were the words
"gay faggot"

Hes in physio atm - having broken his leg and arm.
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did your friend happen to you by any chance? Also, what part of sodomy being an unacceptable act should be considered a carte blanche for others to beat the crap out of homos?
Do you consciously know, what people are doing in their bedroom?
No one would know if someone is engaging in sodomy, save if that person were openly sharing it with others.
The rulings on matters are clear, just like with pre or extra marital sex, you need to produce four witnesses for penalty to be imposed!
 
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