How do you react/feel to the suffering/deaths of non-muslims?

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Simple_Person said:
If a person of another faith dies, being atheist, agnostic, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian you name it.. all i hope for them is that they have died upon believing in 1 Creator, without doing shirk. Have respect for them and their burial, as they were also children of Adam(as) but that's it nothing more.
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yes iman is essential to succeed in hereafter
 
TDWT said:
1. Wait, so you are worried about suffer muslims because they care for your concern?2. Second, the issue is, how can I just turn off my compassion for suffering human beings just because of their faith? When I do this, I feel like I am trivializing their suffering and am just like 'oh tough luck' to it.
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then what do you want. Non Muslims should be suffered in hereafter as well..?
 
azc said:
but we assigned to perform the duty and onus as a daee as well
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You don't choose their faith, they do.

BESIDES - Giving dawah is not the same as wondering why they are going to hell is it? :D

anyone wondering why non Muslims will go to hell is clearly in no position to give dawah lol, they need to educate themselves first in case they misrepresent Islam ;)

Scimi
 
*charisma* said:
Assalamu Alaikum



We do not know who goes to jannah or hellfire, EVEN IF they are Muslim. Muslims get a taste of jahannum too, don't they? Or is the mention of jahannum only for play? We're all sinners here.

Secondly as a Muslim one HAS TO have the belief that Allah is the MOST JUST, MOST WISE.
YOU and anyone else will NEVER come close to His attributions. Understand that, internalize it, and never forget it. So whatever empathy or sadness you feel for someone else, it means nothing compared with Allah's attributions and His closeness with His slaves. With that being said, a person's deeds and faith is between them and their Lord. Therefore, it's NONE of your business what happens after they die. They are with their Lord, you cannot and will never be involved in Allah's judgement of another soul.

If you worry about nonbelievers going to jahannum, then do what you can while they are alive. That's incumbent on all of us: to give dawah. But you can't spread the message if you're in this little cloud of yours where your worries are the afterlife of someone else and not your own. You will not even think of anyone else comes judgement day. You'd be blessed if you're still sane.
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I see that but in the end, a muslim will get to spend eternity in heaven, correct while a non-muslim suffers, that is the issue.

Second, what do you mean by most wise? Are you saying that for example if someone goes to hell, I can't object even if I feel sadness for them? Is that what you were getting at.
 
Scimitar said:
You don't choose their faith, they do.

BESIDES - Giving dawah is not the same as wondering why they are going to hell is it? :D

anyone wondering why non Muslims will go to hell is clearly in no position to give dawah lol, they need to educate themselves first in case they misrepresent Islam ;)

Scimi
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Let me rephrase. Earlier as I mentioned before, suffering muslims get to enter heaven as an ease for their pain.

See, I feel for suffering muslims but also, I feel for suffering non-muslims as there are many of those who suffer and honestly, I feel cruel if I think that they suffer both in this life and the next(and forever mind you)

does that make sense
 
TDWT said:
Let me rephrase. Earlier as I mentioned before, suffering muslims get to enter heaven as an ease for their pain.

See, I feel for suffering muslims but also, I feel for suffering non-muslims as there are many of those who suffer and honestly, I feel cruel if I think that they suffer both in this life and the next(and forever mind you)

does that make sense
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DO you believe God is not merciful?

Is that your problem?

Scimi
 
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Scimitar said:
Do you believe that Allah is not merciful?

It's a simple question. And a closed one. I don't require an explanation. Just a YES or NO answer.

Scimi
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No, god says he is merciful but how does that answer my question?
 
Scimitar said:
You don't choose their faith, they do.BESIDES - Giving dawah is not the same as wondering why they are going to hell is it? :Danyone wondering why non Muslims will go to hell is clearly in no position to give dawah lol, they need to educate themselves first in case they misrepresent Islam ;)Scimi
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and if they don't want to educate themselves, then, don't we have any responsibility..?
 
Scimitar said:
You know God is merciful but it seems you do not know how to believe it ;)

Scimi
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Yes, but it still says that non-muslims go to hell(except those who have not heard of it, I know), so again, how does this answer my question?
 
azc said:
and if they don't want to educate themselves, then, don't we have any responsibility..?
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The only responsibility we have with non Muslims, is to treat them as we wish to be treated and to give them dawah. But there comes a point when you have to move to the next person, a smart daee doesn't waste his time on lost causes.

As for the Muslims who have a misplaced concern, they are in no position to do anything. Except educate their opinion, so they do not think ignorantly. Once they are sufficiently fortified with knowledge, they can nurture that concern more pragmatically, with dawah, instead of lamenting over things they do not understand ;)

Scimi
 
TDWT said:
Yes, but it still says that non-muslims go to hell(except those who have not heard of it, I know), so again, how does this answer my question?
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Your questions have been answered, it is you who is unable to grasp them, this is your issue and you have to deal with it. There are massive ironies in your statements bro. And the shame is, you can't see them even though they've been pointed out.

I can't help you any more than I already have.

Scimi
 
Scimitar said:
Your questions have been answered, it is you who is unable to grasp them, this is your issue and you have to deal with it. There are massive ironies in your statements bro. And the shame is, you can't see them even though they've been pointed out.

I can't help you any more than I already have.

Scimi
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Well, the answer you gave me was that non-muslims deserve to enter the hellfire due to their disbelief, correct?

Second, what ironies are there in my statement? Like what?
 
TDWT said:
Well, the answer you gave me was that non-muslims deserve to enter the hellfire due to their disbelief, correct?
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Absolutely - but remember, this is a GENERAL STATEMENT. I'm sure there will be exceptions, because Allah knows what hearts contain even if people do not. Who knows who is secretly Muslim? And who is secretly Kafir? Allah. not you, not I.

Nothing is black and white - read the Qur'an more. Those black and white pages paint the full spectrum of colours which portend to beneficial knowledge.

TDWT said:
Second, what ironies are there in my statement? Like what?
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Oh now you're asking me to nit pick - which I already have across this thread. Don't make me copy paste - just re read through this thread a few dozen times with contemplation, and in sha Allah, something will snap and you'll have that "eureka" moment.

Scimi
 
TDWT said:
I see that but in the end, a muslim will get to spend eternity in heaven, correct while a non-muslim suffers, that is the issue.
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I don't see the issue to be honest because it's in Allah's hands not yours. That means, YOU don't know anyone's soul and whether they are deserving of hellfire or not, so you can't really feel bad about something you don't know. You act like you know, but really you don't.

Second, what do you mean by most wise? Are you saying that for example if someone goes to hell, I can't object even if I feel sadness for them? Is that what you were getting at.
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You really can't. Once they are dead, they're dead. You can't do anything about their judgement with ALlah and it's not your business to do anything about it either.
 
*charisma* said:
I don't see the issue to be honest because it's in Allah's hands not yours. That means, YOU don't know anyone's soul and whether they are deserving of hellfire or not, so you can't really feel bad about something you don't know. You act like you know, but really you don't.



You really can't. Once they are dead, they're dead. You can't do anything about their judgement with ALlah and it's not your business to do anything about it either.
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OK, on your first point, that argument doesn't seem strong to me. If that is the case, then why do you pray that the suffering muslims go to afterlife or say things like, hope they enter paradise or feel happy that they enter heaven if you don't even know they are muslim or not?
 
TDWT said:
OK, on your first point, that argument doesn't seem strong to me. If that is the case, then why do you pray that the suffering muslims go to afterlife or say things like, hope they enter paradise or feel happy that they enter heaven if you don't even know they are muslim or not?
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Whether it seems strong to you or not doesn't matter. It's how it is.

Making du'a has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Also your question makes no sense, so I can't answer it.
 
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

Personally, I value all human life. So, to me all human suffering is unjustified in the earth and worth doing something about in the world if we're able to make a difference.

And brother, we've already told you that you're knocking on incorrect doors asking us to give you an answer to the question on judgment in afterlife. We as human beings have no idea of the realm of Divine Judgment and how Allah (God) deals with whom in what way, including our own selves specific to our fates in the afterlife, because all of this knowledge belongs to the Unseen Realm.

What we do can say in general terms to everyone, Muslims and non-Muslims, is to conduct themselves in a just, merciful, and best way as that is the Straight Path of people who have received Allah's Mercy and whom we expect will receive God-willing Allah's mercy before their last breath. And we already should know, remember, and internalize in our hearts and minds and souls that Allah will wrong no creation worth even an atom on Judgment Day as that is Allah's solemn promise in the Qur'an.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

TDWT said:
This is related to a thread of mine I posted, but when a muslim dies/suffering, I guess there is solace that paradise is for them, but what is the case for non-muslims? Again, something I am still struggling with actually?
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