How do you react/feel to the suffering/deaths of non-muslims?

[Simple_Person]

Ridiculous.

Hindu's Buddhists, Agnostics, Jews, Christians, you name it - do not believe that Muhammad pbuh is the final messenger of Allah - and so - you would be wrong.

The ticket to jannah is what? Shahadah. Declaration Of Faith - and those groups do not declare what we do.

So keep wishing in that bubble of yours lol.

How can you write such drivel bro?

Scimi

Well among people there are people who do things, but really don't believe what they are doing. For example in Mecca when the Muslims already migrated to Medina there were Muslims among the Mushriks, however as a Muslim you could not see who is Muslim and who is not. Only Allah knows the condition of their heart.

So also for me even if somebody is among the Hindu's, Allah knows best if he truly only believes in Allah (ie One Creator without imagines, without statues etc.). So i always hope that he has died in such a state.

We also know that in only three cases a Muslim may lie. One being if his life depends on it might he speak the truth and be killed over it. There are groups, for example as a Kurd myself we have Yazidi's. These guys are insane. It is prohibited for a female wanting to marry a Muslim and thus convert to Islam as majority of the Kurds are Muslim, they REALLY kill for it. So what happened with Yazidi's and ISIS, that ISIS has separated many of them and many of them going to the west..in other words their community(bubble) shattered all over the place, might be even a mercy to the HONEST ones among them. The ones that truly have seen worshiping the elements is no go and Islam or just a Creator (ie with no images, no statues etc) is the true religion. So in the future finally embrace Islam instead or if they have not gotten the whole message leave those Yazidi practices and just believe in One Creator without being killed over it by other Yazidi's.

With that i always are reminded of two ahadith that i have heard a Jewish girl died and the Jews passing by Rasullah(saws) and a shahabi. So Rasullah(saws) stood up out of respect. The shahabi saying, why he stood up and paid respect as it was a Jew. He replying wasn't she also a child of Adam(as)?

Another thing that reminds me of is, when Jibreel (as) asked Rasullah(saws) to tople the village and Rasullah(saws) saying, i was sent as a mercy not as destruction or something like that and maybe their children might accept Islam.

I am sure you know of these two instances as you for sure know more than me.

However in both these cases, it reached my heart so hard that i see much of the world from a different kind of perspective. the Day of Judgement when we all be gathered, the people that i have hoped died as believing in One Creator, will in'sha'Allah enter paradise and we also in'sha'Allah join them in paradise. The other people we also hoped died believing in One Creator without doing shirk, but later on we see on the Day of Judgement they were the munafiq or as real kafirs. That is it. Not feeling any remorse for them.

So feeling empathy towards the ignorant people is better to have than despising them when they have died. Death should rather be a turning point for us. When death has visited a person, we forget everything about that person. Although i must agree with you that there are people among us who openly show to the world they despise Islam, while KNOWING Islam is the truth.

One of the examples if somebody might die and i feel no remorse or think he has died while being ignorant is this guy. He KNOWS what he is saying and preaching are lies. So if you point towards these kind of people saying..what? No i 100% agree with you, i feel nothing towards him if he might die in this state.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Search;

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

Personally, I value all human life. So, to me all human suffering is unjustified in the earth and worth doing something about in the world if we're able to make a difference.

Wise words as always, you will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to Allah.

Blessings,

Eric

 

[Muslimah inshal]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

Personally, I value all human life. So, to me all human suffering is unjustified in the earth and worth doing something about in the world if we're able to make a difference.

And brother, we've already told you that you're knocking on incorrect doors asking us to give you an answer to the question on judgment in afterlife. We as human beings have no idea of the realm of Divine Judgment and how Allah (God) deals with whom in what way, including our own selves specific to our fates in the afterlife, because all of this knowledge belongs to the Unseen Realm.

What we do can say in general terms to everyone, Muslims and non-Muslims, is to conduct themselves in a just, merciful, and best way as that is the Straight Path of people who have received Allah's Mercy and whom we expect will receive God-willing Allah's mercy before their last breath. And we already should know, remember, and internalize in our hearts and minds and souls that Allah will wrong no creation worth even an atom on Judgment Day as that is Allah's solemn promise in the Qur'an.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

Jazaki Allahu Khairan sister Search

 

[noraina]

In the worldly sense, then the suffering of any human being, whatever their faith or lack thereof, is wrong and should be dealt with compassion and humanity. In Islam we are told to have mercy towards animals, remember that hadith of the man who was granted Jannah for giving water to a thirst dog, so how then can we not be merciful towards other humans?

We don't know in what state someone will die. It maybe a non-Muslim we once knew might die in a state of belief while we die in a state of disbelief, astaghfirullah. Only Allah swt knows what is in the hearts - what we need to know as Muslims is that to acquire Jannah we need to believe in Him and Him alone, and in the Prophethood of Muhammad :saws: and become the best human being and Muslim we can become.

When people pull this card out, they forget that Allah swt is inherently Just and Merciful - He would never let an injustice happen and questions like this are doubting that truth. We can't condemn anyone to hell or eternal suffering because we simply have no idea what is in their hearts, and we'll never get anywhere in either our own deen or that of others by trying to work out the workings of or reasons for Allah's judgement.

But while I'm here, I'm going to treat those as I would like to be treated, with understanding and compassion. So even that mangy old cat which hisses at me everyday is going to see the best side of me, and maybe one day she'll actually like me .

 

[Simple_Person]

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Understanding comes from Allah and i THINK this understanding comes from Him, when we have reached certain state in our heart. I have had many discussion with all kind of people. I have had discussion with people that you almost could say feel their hatred emanating from their body. These people have witnessed something in their life that they did not agree that it happened and now all engulfed by hatred towards Creator and any person that might not even be religious but a very positive person in general.

I would very much advice many people to have discussion with people of other faiths and even other Muslims. After certain time when pondering about the discussions one has had, you start understand more what is going on and feel less and less sorry for the people who end up in hell fire. As Allah shows you what kind of people they are. I have had also discussions with people of other faiths that are genuinely such good people and i pray to Allah to guide them.

Based on this all i have concluded that humans are not divided by Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheist, Agnostics, Hindu's etc. but simply honest and dishonest people.

That TWDT doesn't grasp this concept i have THE FEELING that he is slowly leaning towards kufr as in the sense he might have family members or friends who are close to him or somebody close to him that has died, but have rejected a Creator or in that sense. When i think of that, i immediately think of two people. The uncle of Rasullah(saws) (aboe talib ibn abdul muttalib), that died as a kafir and the son of Prophet Nuh(as) that also died as a kafir.

I have said what i have to say towards TWDT and i guess you have also said what you have to say. Besides that there are enough other people that have tried talking to him.

- Either we lack the right words that makes him ponder, which is very plausible.
- He hasn't lived life to that extend to understand the concept you, me and many other Muslims have come to understand in full.
- As last option i can think of is that Allah is bringing out what he tried to hide. Allah for sure will test us and make it evident that what we say is true or not.

"Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried?" Qur'an 29:2
"But We have certainly tried those before them, and Allah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the liars." Qur'an 29:3

Allah knows best what the exact condition is of his heart and where he is heading towards and if he will die as a Muslim or as one who has disbelieved. I draw the line here as i have tried the best of my abilities.

BTW, it ALMOST looks like as if he is trying to find people who think the same like him. You know when somebody does something and he knows he is wrong, but if he gathers more people that do the same, suddenly he doesn't feel guilty anymore. When i ask you something, you give me a answer and i ask more questions to understand your answer. Thus a discussion can come in to existence which in the end we follow what is the truth. However like you said he doesn't really go in to it. Just feels sorry, but isn't willing to see the answer that is saying the opposite of what he is believing.

 

[TDWT]

Understanding comes from Allah and i THINK this understanding comes from Him, when we have reached certain state in our heart. I have had many discussion with all kind of people. I have had discussion with people that you almost could say feel their hatred emanating from their body. These people have witnessed something in their life that they did not agree that it happened and now all engulfed by hatred towards Creator and any person that might not even be religious but a very positive person in general.

I would very much advice many people to have discussion with people of other faiths and even other Muslims. After certain time when pondering about the discussions one has had, you start understand more what is going on and feel less and less sorry for the people who end up in hell fire. As Allah shows you what kind of people they are. I have had also discussions with people of other faiths that are genuinely such good people and i pray to Allah to guide them.

Based on this all i have concluded that humans are not divided by Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheist, Agnostics, Hindu's etc. but simply honest and dishonest people.

That TWDT doesn't grasp this concept i have THE FEELING that he is slowly leaning towards kufr as in the sense he might have family members or friends who are close to him or somebody close to him that has died, but have rejected a Creator or in that sense. When i think of that, i immediately think of two people. The uncle of Rasullah(saws) (aboe talib ibn abdul muttalib), that died as a kafir and the son of Prophet Nuh(as) that also died as a kafir.

I have said what i have to say towards TWDT and i guess you have also said what you have to say. Besides that there are enough other people that have tried talking to him.

- Either we lack the right words that makes him ponder, which is very plausible.
- He hasn't lived life to that extend to understand the concept you, me and many other Muslims have come to understand in full.
- As last option i can think of is that Allah is bringing out what he tried to hide. Allah for sure will test us and make it evident that what we say is true or not.

"Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried?" Qur'an 29:2
"But We have certainly tried those before them, and Allah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the liars." Qur'an 29:3

Allah knows best what the exact condition is of his heart and where he is heading towards and if he will die as a Muslim or as one who has disbelieved. I draw the line here as i have tried the best of my abilities.

BTW, it ALMOST looks like as if he is trying to find people who think the same like him. You know when somebody does something and he knows he is wrong, but if he gathers more people that do the same, suddenly he doesn't feel guilty anymore. When i ask you something, you give me a answer and i ask more questions to understand your answer. Thus a discussion can come in to existence which in the end we follow what is the truth. However like you said he doesn't really go in to it. Just feels sorry, but isn't willing to see the answer that is saying the opposite of what he is believing.

Yeah, I have not lived long enough to see the extend.

 

[TDWT]

Understanding comes from Allah and i THINK this understanding comes from Him, when we have reached certain state in our heart. I have had many discussion with all kind of people. I have had discussion with people that you almost could say feel their hatred emanating from their body. These people have witnessed something in their life that they did not agree that it happened and now all engulfed by hatred towards Creator and any person that might not even be religious but a very positive person in general.

I would very much advice many people to have discussion with people of other faiths and even other Muslims. After certain time when pondering about the discussions one has had, you start understand more what is going on and feel less and less sorry for the people who end up in hell fire. As Allah shows you what kind of people they are. I have had also discussions with people of other faiths that are genuinely such good people and i pray to Allah to guide them.

Based on this all i have concluded that humans are not divided by Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheist, Agnostics, Hindu's etc. but simply honest and dishonest people.

That TWDT doesn't grasp this concept i have THE FEELING that he is slowly leaning towards kufr as in the sense he might have family members or friends who are close to him or somebody close to him that has died, but have rejected a Creator or in that sense. When i think of that, i immediately think of two people. The uncle of Rasullah(saws) (aboe talib ibn abdul muttalib), that died as a kafir and the son of Prophet Nuh(as) that also died as a kafir.

I have said what i have to say towards TWDT and i guess you have also said what you have to say. Besides that there are enough other people that have tried talking to him.

- Either we lack the right words that makes him ponder, which is very plausible.
- He hasn't lived life to that extend to understand the concept you, me and many other Muslims have come to understand in full.
- As last option i can think of is that Allah is bringing out what he tried to hide. Allah for sure will test us and make it evident that what we say is true or not.

"Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried?" Qur'an 29:2
"But We have certainly tried those before them, and Allah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the liars." Qur'an 29:3

Allah knows best what the exact condition is of his heart and where he is heading towards and if he will die as a Muslim or as one who has disbelieved. I draw the line here as i have tried the best of my abilities.

BTW, it ALMOST looks like as if he is trying to find people who think the same like him. You know when somebody does something and he knows he is wrong, but if he gathers more people that do the same, suddenly he doesn't feel guilty anymore. When i ask you something, you give me a answer and i ask more questions to understand your answer. Thus a discussion can come in to existence which in the end we follow what is the truth. However like you said he doesn't really go in to it. Just feels sorry, but isn't willing to see the answer that is saying the opposite of what he is believing.

Ok, I am quite young(19) and trying to figure things out. The whole thing has been scattered around, so I was wondering, do you mind explaining to me clearly what the response is. It might clear things up for me.

And yes, I ask because a non-muslim friend of my family passed away.

 

[Aisha_101]

They are my concern but not my problem. Allah has given the suffering Muslims of Burma and Palestine etc the best of rewards in the hereafter and I wish I were in their place - perspective is everything.

I'm concerned that they are suffering this life while they get the next with ease while I have ease in this life and will be judged due to it.

What's your take? Forget yourself and worry about things you got no control over?

Instead how about trying to recognise the flaw in your emotion led ideas about non Muslims?

They are not your concern, honestly - take your concern to them directly and see how you are met with mockery because you care. You are attempting to care for people who do not care about their soul... why are you wasting your thinking time over them?

It just doesn't make any sense to me as a Muslim.

Scimi

This is a bigoted response.
Muslim or not Muslim, if one suffers, you should have empathy towards them, even if you can't do anything about it. We're all humans regardless of our religion, our ethnicity and where we come from. We have blood inside us; being a Muslim doesn't make us have gold enriched blood. So we're all same in the inside.
Prophet Mohamed (may peace be upon him) never hated his enemies, or the non muslims. He was compassionate, considerate and had emotions towards them hence he preached Islam to save them from the aftermath in the after life.

Long story short, saying you don't care about the suffering of a non muslim is the most bigoted thing any real Muslim can say. Not very nice.

Salam.
-Aisha

 

[Simple_Person]

Ok, I am quite young(19) and trying to figure things out. The whole thing has been scattered around, so I was wondering, do you mind explaining to me clearly what the response is. It might clear things up for me.

And yes, I ask because a non-muslim friend of my family passed away.

You don't know if he has died upon disbelief. Some people and their actions might be of a unbeliever, but he belongs to paradise and some people their actions belong to believers but they are people of hell fire. This non-Muslim friend of yours, you do not know. You cannot say well he has died and for sure he will end up in hell fire. Only Allah knows that. However what we do have FULL trust is that Allah(swt) has FOR SURE showed His signs of there being a Creator to him, before he died. So upon what state he finally has died, we do not know. Maybe still did not believe in a Creator, maybe he did believe in a Creator.

That is why i said, hope for the best. More you cannot do. The people who end up in hell fire, THEY themselves will be convinced they deserve hell fire. NO human being enters hell fire if they themselves are not convinced their place is hell fire. So lets say if this friend of yours will end up in hell fire, HE HIMSELF will first be 100% convinced he deserves hell fire before entering it. However again, we cannot make the judgement he will end up in hell fire. He maybe end up in paradise and you and i end up in hell fire. This possibility also exists. So he has died, this game (life) is over, you and i are still playing this game (life) and do our best to "win" this game (ie follow the path of Islam, and get rid of arrogance and pride, be humble, have patience, not do shirk, and keep away from sins and repent if we have done sins as we sure will still do more sins in our life time but again repent).

 

[Simple_Person]

This is a bigoted response.
Muslim or not Muslim, if one suffers, you should have empathy towards them, even if you can't do anything about it. We're all humans regardless of our religion, our ethnicity and where we come from. We have blood inside us; being a Muslim doesn't make us have gold enriched blood. So we're all same in the inside.
Prophet Mohamed (may peace be upon him) never hated his enemies, or the non muslims. He was compassionate, considerate and had emotions towards them hence he preached Islam to save them from the aftermath in the after life.

Long story short, saying you don't care about the suffering of a non muslim is the most bigoted thing any real Muslim can say. Not very nice.

Salam.
-Aisha

Sister, nevermind him. I have tried earlier, but i THINK he is missing something. Maybe autism is the case or some sort, as such people are very straight and lack the emphatic part in their character. As in such cases they are pardoned as they are not able to do anything against it but born that way.

 

[Scimitar]

You're both ignorant if you believe i have said you should not help a non Muslim lol - I stated that your humanity is part of your Islam but on the day of judgement you won't even care for your own mother - so worrying about what will happen to them in the afterlife is pointless right now - all you can do is give dawah but if you got no idea what Islam is, as TWDT demonstrated then dawah is also a silly idea.

Simply because he'd talk from his opinion and let's face it - everyone has an opinion---. Doesn't make it good does it?

Scimi

 

[M.I.A.]

its just a system.

it feels no remorse or guilt for death and suffering.

most people go about there lives being the end of many others anyway..

tumult and opression is worse than death.

...they would argue they didnt say and do anything that they were not able to.

so the system has no shame to add to its admirable qualities.

but you know that before people die they have.. ironically.. put forward all they have to put forward.

made the choices that they made.

and thats that.

who they suffered or died for is something else.

where they go afterwards i have no understanding of.


honestly if i could just buy a farm and keep those i cared about away from the world..

but what about those good neighbours i hear you say?


dont get me wrong there is a god..

just not one that feels the same way as you do about things..

so be careful who you end up in front of.

these bus drivers are the worst iv ever seen.

i hope not to become like them.


i seen the same guy go past twice on the bus today.. the same direction both times lol.

but honestly, i quit football missing open nets..

there is no benefit to it.

the only day you run from each other is the day you turn up for yourself.

reminds me of the scene in robocop when the criminal goes.. i have a wife and kid!!

robocop has a wife and kid lol.


...be kind to other peoples mothers eh?


nearly got hit by a bus lol.. am i ready yet?

seriously, he drove at me from about 6 foot away.. although i suppose its the equivalent of crossing the road and missing cars by a foot.

 

[Simple_Person]

You're both ignorant if you believe i have said you should not help a non Muslim lol - I stated that your humanity is part of your Islam but on the day of judgement you won't even care for your own mother - so worrying about what will happen to them in the afterlife is pointless right now - all you can do is give dawah but if you got no idea what Islam is, as TWDT demonstrated then dawah is also a silly idea.

Simply because he'd talk from his opinion and let's face it - everyone has an opinion---. Doesn't make it good does it?

Educate your opinions so you don't talk rubbish in future,

Scimi

That TWDT says that and is concerned is maybe out of place, but as i have said earlier it may be because of certain issue. In this case he himself said i haven't lived life to a certain extend to that. Through time he will in'sha'Allah understand. I feel no sorry for anybody who dies as a Muslim, Christian, Jew, Atheist, Agnostic, Buddhist, Hindu you name it, because i have trust in my Rab that he does not do injustice to no one. My trust in my Rab outweighs my concern about what will happen to people i once knew but they clearly were not Muslims when they died.

So i guess maybe the issue of concern of the people who have died, is maybe lack of trust in Allah(swt) and Him doing NO CREATURE injustice. We all get EXACTLY what we have worked for so to say.

I understood your comment in a different way, i apologize if that isn't what you meant to say.

 

[TDWT]

You don't know if he has died upon disbelief. Some people and their actions might be of a unbeliever, but he belongs to paradise and some people their actions belong to believers but they are people of hell fire. This non-Muslim friend of yours, you do not know. You cannot say well he has died and for sure he will end up in hell fire. Only Allah knows that. However what we do have FULL trust is that Allah(swt) has FOR SURE showed His signs of there being a Creator to him, before he died. So upon what state he finally has died, we do not know. Maybe still did not believe in a Creator, maybe he did believe in a Creator.

That is why i said, hope for the best. More you cannot do. The people who end up in hell fire, THEY themselves will be convinced they deserve hell fire. NO human being enters hell fire if they themselves are not convinced their place is hell fire. So lets say if this friend of yours will end up in hell fire, HE HIMSELF will first be 100% convinced he deserves hell fire before entering it. However again, we cannot make the judgement he will end up in hell fire. He maybe end up in paradise and you and i end up in hell fire. This possibility also exists. So he has died, this game (life) is over, you and i are still playing this game (life) and do our best to "win" this game (ie follow the path of Islam, and get rid of arrogance and pride, be humble, have patience, not do shirk, and keep away from sins and repent if we have done sins as we sure will still do more sins in our life time but again repent).

Well, they died on the way to church as a christian, they were hit by a car.

 

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

Apparently some of you can't differentiate between this life and the afterlife. This is not about the treatment of nonMuslims in this world, this is about their destiny with Allah in the afterlife, which we are not involved in nor do we know the result of. No one is saying that they should be treated badly by anyone because they are nonMuslims or that their life is worthless because of it.

 

[TDWT]

Yeah, I am talking about the next life actually.

 

[TDWT]

Also schimatr told me this, is this accurate according to scholars as he claimed:

If someone is killed unfairly, then his or her life has been cut short which interferes with the natural flow of destiny, hence forth that person had no chance to come to belief later in life because their life was cut short - due to the possibility which didn't come to light - that person may be given Heaven as a reward because Allahs mercy is twice that of HIS wrath.

 

[Simple_Person]

Well, they died on the way to church as a christian, they were hit by a car.

I had a female house mate and she was a Christian. She wore the cross and when i once talked to her. She said she does not believe Jesus being the son of God. In other words, she did believe in 1 Creator, but did not do shirk according to Islam. I have left her as it is. So that friend of your or they all, they could be going to church,but not believing that Jesus was literally the son of God in other word not dying on shirk. As many Christians don't bring this topic up, but there are some that don't really believe it you know. They just go along with it, but in their heart they don't believe this concept.

 

[Scimitar]

I had a female house mate and she was a Christian. She wore the cross and when i once talked to her. She said she does not believe Jesus being the son of God. In other words, she did believe in 1 Creator, but did not do shirk according to Islam. I have left her as it is. So that friend of your or they all, they could be going to church,but not believing that Jesus was literally the son of God in other word not dying on shirk. As many Christians don't bring this topic up, but there are some that don't really believe it you know. They just go along with it, but in their heart they don't believe this concept.

Ask her why she wears the cross if she doesn't believe Jesus is the son of God?

In other words - he could not die for anyone's sins.

So why is she wearing the symbol which reminds her of the crucifixion? Isn't that rather - morbid?

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Also schimatr told me this, is this accurate according to scholars as he claimed:

If someone is killed unfairly, then his or her life has been cut short which interferes with the natural flow of destiny, hence forth that person had no chance to come to belief later in life because their life was cut short - due to the possibility which didn't come to light - that person may be given Heaven as a reward because Allahs mercy is twice that of HIS wrath.

there was a lot more I posted in that PM, which continued from this paragraph to give you a fleshed out understanding.

BUT.

You've split hairs without knowing why, AGAIN.

You Silly Boy.



Scimi

EDIT: Sharing publicly what has been sent in a PRIVATE MESSAGE - is against the rules - I'm not gonna report you this time. But you've been warned