How is it possible for god not to exist??
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If there were a god he would come for an occasional visit.
He would give us a state of the union address and keep us up to date on the latest developments in heaven and hell.
Apparently he can be everywhere at once. And yet, there are some who claim, that from time to time, he has sent angels to deliver messages. Maybe he was too busy to deliver it himself. If he can be everywhere at once why does he need angels?
Also, why does he need satan? I would have thought an all powerful god, could light an eternal fire without having to employ somebody to tend the fire?
God, angels and satan are all inventions of man
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He would give us a state of the union address and keep us up to date on the latest developments in heaven and hell.
Apparently he can be everywhere at once. And yet, there are some who claim, that from time to time, he has sent angels to deliver messages. Maybe he was too busy to deliver it himself. If he can be everywhere at once why does he need angels?
Also, why does he need satan? I would have thought an all powerful god, could light an eternal fire without having to employ somebody to tend the fire?
God, angels and satan are all inventions of man
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this response is within our realm of perception though. Simply because you cdont see or hear god does not mean he hasnt come for a visit. I'm 17 but I stil am not satisfied with your answer for the following reasons:
1) You tend to personify this entity claiming that he/she should come to visit us once in a while
2) All your responses are heavily biased towards your own and a human' s ability of perception. At least the muslims I asked had a 1400 year old text to prove their points.
Let me re-model the question to make it simpler without bringing in concepts of satan, angels, etc. Lets focus on the existence of one entity and provide scientifical proof as to how god could not exist. We can touch on satan, angels, etc later on.
1) You tend to personify this entity claiming that he/she should come to visit us once in a while
2) All your responses are heavily biased towards your own and a human' s ability of perception. At least the muslims I asked had a 1400 year old text to prove their points.
Let me re-model the question to make it simpler without bringing in concepts of satan, angels, etc. Lets focus on the existence of one entity and provide scientifical proof as to how god could not exist. We can touch on satan, angels, etc later on.
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well there is no need for god.
Now can you give me reasons why invisible pink unicorns cant exists?
Distraction as usual which is a common modes operandi of atheists.Prove non - existance of God if possilbe.Do not beat about the bush and try to circumvent the question.
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Prove to me that Thor, the god of war does not exist. And count the number of wars in history.
Prove to me that Venus, the god of love does not exist - and see what a big part love plays in the world.
Now prove that your god exists. If you don't have a recent phot an old one will do ;D
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Greetings,
Is there any evidence that points to their existence? (Genuine question, not trying to be funny)
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Is there any evidence that points to their existence? (Genuine question, not trying to be funny)
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I think that was his point. The original question is impossible to answer in that there is no way to prove the non-existence of something. All one can do is operate on whatever proof one has for existence. The criteria for this varies widely.
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If they're invisible how come they're pink? They're only pink if they're visible.
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Hello.
I can only give you reasons I don't believe there is a god. Some have been discussed. They include -
1) Looking around I see no evidence of a designing hand in nature.
2) Gods described in the various holy texts, do not seem reasonable, in my opinion.
3) I feel no internal presence or have personal evidence of the existence of a god/s.
That's the basics I think.
Thanks.
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Isn't Thor supposed to be the god of thunder according to Norse mythology? I think Mars is supposed to be the god of war (but that might be of Roman mythological origin, I'm not sure).
Thank you for answering the question without resorting to sarcasm.Gator said:
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Sorry didn't see this.
Since this is a philosopical discussion and science cannot prove or disprove a god, I can't answer.
As I see it, science is only used to support or refute details of someone's philosophical stance. Like, “I think evolution is valid because there is a long (if incomplete) fossil record that shows what I believe to be transitional forms from one species to another. This contradicts the creation story from the bible, so I discount a YEC theory. (but does not discount a general non-specific God)” Or, “The universe seems to be expanding from a central point and some calculations of the total energy in the universe adds up to zero, which would support a release of energy from space folds and creating the universe in a big bang, without the need for a creator.” I think people use there views on what they believe to be scientific facts to support their supposition. Now if a scientific discovery of Noah’s ark were to occur, theists would use that to bolster their claims of a YEC God.
Thanks for the discussion.
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Mars is the Roman god of war, Ares is the Greek god of war, and Thor is the Norse god of thunder and war.... I can't "prove" they aren't real, but I don't pray to them, so they aren't real to me. That is what it boils down to. A religion becomes mythology when people no longer believe it to be true. To an athiest, they don't believe in God, so it is mythology to them.
I can't "prove" they aren't real, but I don't pray to them, so they aren't real to me. That is what it boils down to. A religion becomes mythology when people no longer believe it to be true. To an athiest, they don't believe in God, so it is mythology to them.
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1. The problem of evil. If there was a God, or at least a benevolent one, He would have made a rather better job both humanity and the world. No perfect being created something as imperfect, destructive and generally unpleasant as homo sapiens can be. I consider the only answer I have seen to this, that the whole 'life' thing is some sort of 'test', totally unconvincing and more than a little desperate.
2. God solves nothing. If God created us, who or what created God? The only answer is 'first cause' philosophical mumbo-jumbo easily countered with other philosophical mumbo-jumbo. If anyone really doesn't know the arguments by now, go look them up.
3. The obvious psychological need to create God/gods, even if there wasn't one, "if triangles believed in God, He would have three sides". Partly as an explanation for natural phenomenon, but mostly as a shelter from fear of either death or the assorted unpleasantries life can throw at us. Or just the apparent meaningless of life itself.
4. The total absence of any proof whatsoever that is there is a God. I agree with previous posters that if there was a God, you would expect to see a lot more evidence of the fact. Granted, you can't prove there isn't a God either, but then it's generally far easier to prove conclusively that something does exist (produce it!) than that it doesn't. I can't prove those unicorns don't exist either.
I've stayed away from the 'scientific' as that approach is utterly pointless. There is no 'scientific' proof, and very little 'evidence', either way. There is a not uncommon assumption on these boards that all atheists somehow became that way as a result of becoming obsessive evolution 'worshippers'.. that simply is not true. As this thread shows, most reach an atheistic position on philosophic, not scientific, grounds.
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Do the Buddists not believe in any "Creator"?
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No, they don't. That's not the same as saying all Buddhists are atheists; there is a wide variety of Buddhist beliefs and many Buddhists do believe in gods and spiritual beings of some sort or another. All, though, are subject to the same laws of cause and effect as human beings.
When we say Buddist we mean that person who acts upon "Bhudda's real teaching".
You seem to be an atheist.Because even in this question you showed mindlessness.This is classical sign of atheists.
you THINK theres no need for god but infact there is.
If there was no god then where did the stars, the earth, wind and fire come from, its not a coincidence.
Living in an atheist country MANY people have asked me why i believe in god.
My answer is always the same - cause i can
If there was no god then where did the stars, the earth, wind and fire come from, its not a coincidence.
Living in an atheist country MANY people have asked me why i believe in god.
My answer is always the same - cause i can