If Islam is the right path, why have muslims been killing each other for 1400 years?

[جوري]

Who has Mohammed (p) murdered? again, go ahead and tell us of the history you know... without the circular writings your own brand of moralistic rebuke or resorting to some cheap antics.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

... how would the historical actions of muhammad reflect then. is he a true muslim then?

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yap

he came in this world as a mercy to whole mankind :sunny: ( may be for Jinn, too ).


the Last Prophet (p) forgave the killer of his daughter , killer of his dear uncle who ate lever of his dead uncle , when he conquered Macca he forgave thousands of his enemies who tortured & forced to leave his birth place.


Pl. remember Muhammed (p) had 10 thousands armed soldiers with him. They were ready to kill the enemies but .....Muhammed (p) declared ' You are my brothers ' like Prophet Yusuf / Joseph (p) forgave his step brothers.


Only very few killers/ criminals death penalty , rest of the citizen got forgiveness....not a single woman was raped , no personal revenge on behalf of Muhammed (p) took place.

Only justice was done.


what more proof do u want ?

 

[ranma1/2]

Salaam/peace;


......when he conquered Macca.....

what more proof do u want ?

so how did he conquer mecca?
Just walk in all peacfull like? Not one person murdered?
And lets just say he didnt kill one person in all that. What about those he commanded? Is he responcible for their actions? Or is he 100% innocent of the actions of those he commands and leads?

 

[- Qatada -]

so how did he conquer mecca?
Just walk in all peacfull like? Not one person murdered?
And lets just say he didnt kill one person in all that. What about those he commanded? Is he responcible for their actions? Or is he 100% innocent of the actions of those he commands and leads?

Umar, acting as the Prophet's deputy administered the oath, whereby the people bound themselves not to adore any deity but Allah to obey the Prophet to abstain from theft, adultery, infanticide, lying and backbiting.Thus was fulfilled the prophecy embodied in the Surah Al With the exception of a slight resistance by certain clans headed by Ikrima and Safwan, in which many Muslims were killed, the Prophet entered Mecca almost unopposed.

The city which had treated him so cruelly, driven him and his faithful band for refuge among strangers, the city which had sworn his life and the lives of his devoted adherents, now lay at his mercy. His old persecutors were now completely at his feet. The Prophet entered Mecca on his favorite camel Al Kaswa, having Usama Ibn Zaid sitting behind him. On his way he recited Surah Al Fath (Victory), the first verses of which maybe interpreted thus:

"Verily! We have given you (O Muhammad) a manifest victory. That Allah may forgive you your sins of the past and future, and complete His Favor on you, and guide you on the Straight Path; and that Allah may help you with strong help.

(Ch 48:1-3 Quran)



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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) orders the destruction of the idols

The Muslim army entered the city unpretentiously and peacefully. No house was robbed, no man or woman was insulted. The Prophet granted a general amnesty to the entire population of Mecca. Only four criminals, whom justice condemned, were proscribed*. He did however, order the destruction of all idols and pagan images of worship, upon which three hundred and fifty idols which were in the Sacred House of Ka'ba were thrown down. The Prophet himself destroyed a wooden pigeon hung from the roof and regarded as one of the deities of the Quraish. During the downfall of the images and idols he was heard to cry aloud: "Allah is great. Truth has come and falsehood has vanished; verily falsehood is fleeting." The old idolaters observed thoughtfully the destruction of their gods, which were utterly powerless. After the Prophet had abolished these pagan idols and every pagan rite, he delivered a sermon to the assembled people. He dwelt upon the natural brotherhood of man in the words of the Qur'an:

"O Mankind! We have created you for a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you in the Sight of Allah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa (one of the Muttaqun, pious, and righteous persons who fear Allah much, abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden), and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained.) Verily Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Ch 49:13 Quran)
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http://www.islamicboard.com/prophet-muhammad-p/1715-biography-prophet-muhammad-saws.html

*http://www.islamicboard.com/516716-post8.html





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You can refer to the links for the relevant info.





Peace.

 

[guyabano]

... our soldiers

Well, are 'these' soldiers 'those' Suicide-Bombers?


Hmmm, I'm so confused? Than I get loads of verses to read where Violence in Islam is strictly forbidden, but in this thread, I read more than 50 times the world 'kill' and 'murder' ??

I'm really confused !

 

[Muezzin]

If Islam is the right path, why have muslims been killing each other for 1400 years?

Because those particular Muslims have strayed from it.

 

[- Qatada -]

Because those particular Muslims have strayed from it.

:salamext:


Yup, it's been explained by the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him):

"I counsel you to have Taqwaa (God consciessness) of Allaah and to hear and obey, even if an Abyssinian [Ethiopian] slave were to command you. For, verily, whoever amongst you lives (to grown old), he will see many differences.

So stick to my Sunnah [path/guidance] and the Sunnah of the rightly guided khaleefahs. Cling tightly onto it and hold onto it with your molar teeth. And beware of newly invented matters. For, indeed, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is a thing that leads astray, and everything that leads astray is in the Hellfire."

[Authentically Recorded in Abu Dawud]


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Then we see people straying from the true teachings, and adding innovations into the religion, while others blindly follow them - which is the exact cause of the great chaos and confusion among the many different groups. If only they had followed the Prophet and the way of his companions (who were the direct recipients of the message) - they would be rightly guided.



However, he (peace be upon him) also Prophecised;

"Indeed those from before you from the People of the Book divided into seventy-two groups. And, indeed, this group (Muslims) will divide into seventy-three. Seventy-two groups will be in the Hellfire and one of them will be in Paradise. And it is the Jamaa'ah (group)." 3

And in another narration, he said: "Everyone of them in the Hellfire, except for one group that which I and my companions are upon." 4

[Both narrations in the collection of Abu Dawud]


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So whoever truely wants to follow the guidance, it is layed out for them and authentically preserved. Yet whoever wants to go astray, does so for his own loss. And it's Allaah's guidance we seek.

 

[doorster]

Well, are 'these' soldiers 'those' Suicide-Bombers?


Hmmm, I'm so confused? Than I get loads of verses to read where Violence in Islam is strictly forbidden, but in this thread, I read more than 50 times the world 'kill' and 'murder' ??

I'm really confused ! http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/d015.gif

were you not just some low life kafar troll you would have taken the trouble to read few of my posts (in this and other threads) as well as the whole conversation with the kafar I was talking to, before opening your Muslim-hating filthy mouth!!! (instead, true to your vile nature, you choose to distort)

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

so how did he conquer mecca? Just walk in all peacfull like? Not one person murdered?

woooow ....though slowly , u almost got the TRUTH ....Alhamdulillah

not a single innocent person was murdered ...yap , u r right :happy:

proven criminals got justice---death penatly ....surely u don't want to cry for the criminals.



related links :

Did Muhammad Lead a Violent Life?


http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139326430831&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

Did Muhammad Ever Torture His Enemies?​

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545730​

 

[ranma1/2]

Salaam/peace;



woooow ....though slowly , u almost got the TRUTH ....Alhamdulillah

not a single innocent person was murdered ...yap , u r right :happy:

proven criminals got justice---death penatly ....surely u don't want to cry for the criminals.



related links :

Did Muhammad Lead a Violent Life?


http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139326430831&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

Did Muhammad Ever Torture His Enemies?​

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545730​

im sure no innocent ever gets murdered... now who is innocent....

Murder is murder. Darn those soldiers on the opposing side....

 

[Muslim Woman]

Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of God Almighty be upon you)


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who is innocent....

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Who did not kill ur dad just because he belongs to other faith / group , raped ur mom or sis , destroy ur home & occupied ur land ……list can go on

 

[zalinababar]

Not all people who call themselves or are called Muslim, follow Islam.

VERY TRUE

 

[E'jaazi]

The Prophet (Salallahu Alayhe wa Sallam) said that he left us two things: The Qu'ran and his Sunnah and to hold on tightly to BOTH. So unless we follow both the Qu'ran and the Sunnah, you will continue to see what is going on today in our Ummah.

 

[Darkseid]

Saying a muslim doesn't kill is to say that a muslim doesn't protect his or her family from invaders, a muslim doesn't execute a criminal (meaning that muslims don't stone), and that a muslim doesn't accidentally kill anyone nor permit to any responsibility that leads to any accidental killings.

 

[Skywalker]

Saying a muslim doesn't kill is to say that a muslim doesn't protect his or her family from invaders, a muslim doesn't execute a criminal (meaning that muslims don't stone), and that a muslim doesn't accidentally kill anyone nor permit to any responsibility that leads to any accidental killings.

Errm...your point?

 

[NoName55]

Errm...your point?

Distortion? blurring the difference between murder and self defence or administeration of Law and Order.

 

[believer]

If Islam is the right path, why have muslims been killing each other for 1400 years?

This is like a trick question... it is preceded by a HUGE pressumption implied on the main point.

I would suggest rephrasing it and make a statement of facts like... a News Article - then, ask a more honest question.

My piece is:

1. First of all... ISLAM is THE RIGHT PATH... (PERIOD!)

2. Technically - Muslims will never kill Each other... If they did - then they cannot be called or branded Muslims in the first place.

3. If they are killing each other for 1400 years... there wouldn't be left any more to be chatting with you in this thread.

I hope I am making sense. ^o)

 

[believer]

Saying a muslim doesn't kill is to say that a muslim doesn't protect his or her family from invaders,

This Statement does not follow Logic. Lets' test it... like replacing Muslim as an American citizen.

here it goes...

Saying an American citizen doesn't kill is to say that an American Citizen doesn't protect his or her family from invaders.

now... were seeing a different light being openned. where are the invaders coming from?

There is an implied statement that Muslims are always invaded? or americans are always inveded? I will leave this for you to ponder upon more.

a muslim doesn't execute a criminal (meaning that muslims don't stone), and that a muslim doesn't accidentally kill anyone nor permit to any responsibility that leads to any accidental killings.

continuining the replacing of the term Muslim...

"an American doesn't execute a criminal (meaning that American don't SHOOT/ Electrecute/ Lethal Injection - substitution of stoning), and that an american doesn't accidentally kill anyone nor permit to any responsibility that leads to any accidental (more appropriatte would be incidental) killings."

hmmm.... something to think about.

 

[Encolpius]

This is like a trick question... it is preceded by a HUGE pressumption implied on the main point.

I would suggest rephrasing it and make a statement of facts like... a News Article - then, ask a more honest question.

My piece is:

1. First of all... ISLAM is THE RIGHT PATH... (PERIOD!)

2. Technically - Muslims will never kill Each other... If they did - then they cannot be called or branded Muslims in the first place.

3. If they are killing each other for 1400 years... there wouldn't be left any more to be chatting with you in this thread.

I hope I am making sense. ^o)

And once again, no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge!

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Not all people who call themselves or are called Muslim, follow Islam.

Indeed !

i dnt see why further explenation is required...