I'm an agnostic now

[Umm Abed]

It is still possible to meet a person you know online, somewhere down life; in any case, just chatting to us here is good too.

 

[The-Deist]

It is still possible to meet a person you know online, somewhere down life; in any case, just chatting to us here is good too.

I like to get to know people in real life. There's no one in my area in this forum or the ones I have been on

 

[Umm Abed]

I like to get to know people in real life. There's no one in my area in this forum or the ones I have been on

I understand, maybe mods can put you through suitable people who can befriend you, would be nice.

 

[Insaanah]

I really feel like I like the Prophets Moses and Abraham.

In that case, you should know that the prophet mentioned by name the greatest number of times in the Qur'an, is Moses (peace be on him). 136 times to be precise. His various stories, told again and again. The parting of the sea, the magicians, so many stories.

Guess who is the next most mentioned? Abraham (peace be on him), at 69 times by name. He has some amazing stories about him as well.

You say you're not interested in the Qur'an, it doesn't move you, no scripture captures you, yet the book contains exactly what you like. Please don't dismiss it outright, without giving it a chance and without opening your heart and mind.

The Quran doesn't move me

But can you accept it as a book of guidance and instruction for success in the hereafter? Also see brother Muhammad's post six posts above this, regarding the Qur'an.

Why don't the other Prophets have "Hadiths". I am more interested in them because everything is about Muhammad. Honestly it gets a little boring. Variety. Variety. Variety. They should have had something like Gospels. Like Book of Jesus, Moses etc. A compilation of their life and disciples or followers. Also we don't know anything about companions of other Prophets or Messangers in great numbers.

The hadeeth are the records of the prophets sunnah; their sayings, actions etc, preserved for the followers. So Jesus (Isa, peace be upon him) had a sunnah that people should follow and so did the previous prophets. Their books have hardly survived, let alone any records of their sunnah, if any were ever preserved.

And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, "I have come to you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.(43:63)

Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Injeel... (57:27, part)

We know that Allah gave him the injeel, which was Allah's words, so obeying the Prophet meant listening to him explaining Allah's words, and following whatever else he commanded in respect to the deen as inspired by Allah. Christians say that they don't need to obey what Isa (alyhissalaam) himself did because he "fulfilled the covenant" thus saved them from having to follow it.

While the sunnahs of previous prophets have been corrupted and lost (except for what is mentioned of them in the Qur'an and sunnah), the sunnah of our beloved prophet :saws: is preserved down to the minutest detail in the hadeeth, which is only proper if he is the last prophet, sent for the whole of mankind until the end of time, after whom no prophet will come. Therefore, it is vital that details of his life are preserved, and indeed they have been. Otherwise the verse telling us that we have in the Prophets example a beautiful pattern of conduct for us, is meaningless.

BTW what if someone dies believing in one god, but doesnt testify to Muhammeds Prophethood?

We cannot simply affirm belief in, and testify that Muhammad :saws: was a prophet just like the previous prophets Musa, Isa, Nuh etc, but we have to follow his example, as demonstrated in the sunnah, because he was the teacher Allah sent to teach us His message, for the final time, fully preserved. This is why we have to affirm both parts of the shahadah, and testify that we bear witness that Muhammad :saws: is the slave and messenger of Allah. So we're saying we accept Allah as our Lord and God, and the teacher he sent to convey, explain and teach us His message. Otherwise our relationship with Muhammad :saws: is nothing more than that of the former prophets. It is implying that we have no obligations to follow any of their patterns, for we have none with us. Yet Allah preserved Muhammads :saws: sunnah, precisely so that we should follow it. If we say we believe in and accept One God, but then say we don't accept the teacher He sent to convey his message, it's akin to rejecting God's message and God's teacher, which is a sort of rebellion against God, while saying you believe in and accept God. It just doesn't make sense.

Just some food for thought, which I hope you'll consider with an open mind.

Peace.

 

[Umm Malik]

People are different. For me music is a great part of my life since childhood. Do you know how to speak Darija?

i meant coran is different
not like music
but when you read it by your heart and for guidance
not just reading ... may allah guide you

why you want to left forum ???

darijah ? ... it mean a arabien dialect ... yes i do

 

[The-Deist]

i meant coran is different
not like music
but when you read it by your heart and for guidance
not just reading ... may allah guide you

why you want to left forum ???

darijah ? ... it mean a arabien dialect ... yes i do

I wanna leave the forum because I feel like I use alot of time on here

 

[Umm Malik]

I wanna leave the forum because I feel like I use alot of time on here

may allah be with you and put in your way best people and guide you to his path
you can also organize your time .... to get a few minutes if you need ...

 

[hisnameiszzz]

Oh how I wish I did not look at this thread. Have an issue going on with my faith at the moment which is getting the better of me. The more I think about it the more I am thinking like the OP.

Ignore this thread and not think about it!

 

[The-Deist]

Oh how I wish I did not look at this thread. Have an issue going on with my faith at the moment which is getting the better of me. The more I think about it the more I am thinking like the OP.

Ignore this thread and not think about it!

What are you thinking?

 

[The-Deist]

may allah be with you and put in your way best people and guide you to his path
you can also organize your time .... to get a few minutes if you need ...

I'm gonna leave.

 

[hisnameiszzz]

What are you thinking?

Where do I start?

Good luck if you leave. Hope peace finds you.

 

[Insaanah]

I wanna leave the forum because I feel like I use alot of time on here

What if the time you spent here, helped you a little? You just need to get some discipline in how much time you spend here, rather than leaving altogether. Allow yourself a certain amount of time a day, even if its half an hour, and stick to it. Once your time's up, then log out. I think every single one of us has learnt something from here that's benefitted us, even in unexpected ways, and we've got some support etc.

May I ask if these two posts helped at all, even if a little, and do you have any follow up questions or comments from them?

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134329731-im-agnostic-7.html#post2869288
http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134329731-im-agnostic-7.html#post2869299

Peace.

 

[The-Deist]

What if the time you spent here, helped you a little? You just need to get some discipline in how much time you spend here, rather than leaving altogether. Allow yourself a certain amount of time a day, even if its half an hour, and stick to it. Once your time's up, then log out. I think every single one of us has learnt something from here that's benefitted us, even in unexpected ways, and we've got some support etc.

May I ask if these two posts helped at all, even if a little, and do you have any follow up questions or comments from them?

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134329731-im-agnostic-7.html#post2869288
http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134329731-im-agnostic-7.html#post2869299

Peace.

I don't stay here for other reasons too

 

[greenhill]

What makes you believe in Muhammed?

A good enough thread starter topic.

If I were to read again his life story, what stands out is his character.

From his dua, his practice, what is said in the Quran about him, that he is sent as a mercy to mankind, I can find no flaws in the inter related 'equation' but only finding it compliments each other. And when I read about him, I can feel for him, and I can totally 'get it' why he did what he did. Almost a perfection of being in a surrendered (to Allah) state. Hence, I can become... if I can feel it, I can become it, there is an inner peace that comes with that.

But of course, developing that over a wide range of daily challenges may be testing.

While nabi (saw) anchored his life in Allah's Hands, we anchor it to our job, bank account etc.

Long way to go..

eace:

 

[Muhaba]

In that case, you should know that the prophet mentioned by name the greatest number of times in the Qur'an, is Moses (peace be on him). 136 times to be precise. His various stories, told again and again. The parting of the sea, the magicians, so many stories.

Guess who is the next most mentioned? Abraham (peace be on him), at 69 times by name. He has some amazing stories about him as well.

You say you're not interested in the Qur'an, it doesn't move you, no scripture captures you, yet the book contains exactly what you like. Please don't dismiss it outright, without giving it a chance and without opening your heart and mind.



But can you accept it as a book of guidance and instruction for success in the hereafter? Also see brother Muhammad's post six posts above this, regarding the Qur'an.



The hadeeth are the records of the prophets sunnah; their sayings, actions etc, preserved for the followers. So Jesus (Isa, peace be upon him) had a sunnah that people should follow and so did the previous prophets. Their books have hardly survived, let alone any records of their sunnah, if any were ever preserved.

And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, "I have come to you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.(43:63)

Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Injeel... (57:27, part)

We know that Allah gave him the injeel, which was Allah's words, so obeying the Prophet meant listening to him explaining Allah's words, and following whatever else he commanded in respect to the deen as inspired by Allah. Christians say that they don't need to obey what Isa (alyhissalaam) himself did because he "fulfilled the covenant" thus saved them from having to follow it.

While the sunnahs of previous prophets have been corrupted and lost (except for what is mentioned of them in the Qur'an and sunnah), the sunnah of our beloved prophet :saws: is preserved down to the minutest detail in the hadeeth, which is only proper if he is the last prophet, sent for the whole of mankind until the end of time, after whom no prophet will come. Therefore, it is vital that details of his life are preserved, and indeed they have been. Otherwise the verse telling us that we have in the Prophets example a beautiful pattern of conduct for us, is meaningless.



We cannot simply affirm belief in, and testify that Muhammad :saws: was a prophet just like the previous prophets Musa, Isa, Nuh etc, but we have to follow his example, as demonstrated in the sunnah, because he was the teacher Allah sent to teach us His message, for the final time, fully preserved. This is why we have to affirm both parts of the shahadah, and testify that we bear witness that Muhammad :saws: is the slave and messenger of Allah. So we're saying we accept Allah as our Lord and God, and the teacher he sent to convey, explain and teach us His message. Otherwise our relationship with Muhammad :saws: is nothing more than that of the former prophets. It is implying that we have no obligations to follow any of their patterns, for we have none with us. Yet Allah preserved Muhammads :saws: sunnah, precisely so that we should follow it. If we say we believe in and accept One God, but then say we don't accept the teacher He sent to convey his message, it's akin to rejecting God's message and God's teacher, which is a sort of rebellion against God, while saying you believe in and accept God. It just doesn't make sense.

Just some food for thought, which I hope you'll consider with an open mind.

Peace.

The stories of the previous Prophets alaihim asalaam are in the Quran and they are very interesting to read. Why look for another source when they are right there in the Quran?

 

[Muhaba]

Oh how I wish I did not look at this thread. Have an issue going on with my faith at the moment which is getting the better of me. The more I think about it the more I am thinking like the OP.

Ignore this thread and not think about it!

Many issues arise from lack of knowledge or misguidance. The rest is intentional straying. If you're having doubts, you need to get proper knowledge from reliable mainstream Islamic sources (books, scholars, websites ). And ask Allah for guidance because the one whom Allah misguides cannot get guidance from anywhere else.

 

[The-Deist]

The stories of the previous Prophets alaihim asalaam are in the Quran and they are very interesting to read. Why look for another source when they are right there in the Quran?

Where did I say I am looking for another source? I am just wondering why the other prophets and messangers don't have invidicual books.

 

[Linkdeutscher]

Where did I say I am looking for another source? I am just wondering why the other prophets and messangers don't have invidicual books.

How is that relevant?

 

[Muhaba]

Where did I say I am looking for another source? I am just wondering why the other prophets and messangers don't have invidicual books.

You said the Quran doesn't affect you. If you're looking for stories of the Prophets, there is no better place to find them than the Quran - no other source that gives a more accurate and most beautiful versions of their stories than the Islamic sources.

 

[hisnameiszzz]

Many issues arise from lack of knowledge or misguidance. The rest is intentional straying. If you're having doubts, you need to get proper knowledge from reliable mainstream Islamic sources (books, scholars, websites ). And ask Allah for guidance because the one whom Allah misguides cannot get guidance from anywhere else.

I have looked at books and websites and the fabaroonie people of IB have helped me out tremendously also.

I have tried to get in touch with Aalims, but they go incommunicado if I have contacted them via email or phone and in person they just say they don't have time.

It's not like I haven't tried because I have, and for so long.

I understand I am very weak and I am crazy and stupid and sinful, but I have asked for help so many times and it feels like no one seems interested.

Sorry OP. I have taken over your thread again.