Important Request: Jehovas Witnesses

[Grace Seeker]

I hope you retain this information this time for the next time you desire to use the 'ahamdi' example to make your usual non-point!

all the best

Or maybe you will finally see that this is exactly the point that you are blind to. The differences between Catholic, Orthodox, and protestant, and of no more importance in the long run than are the differences between Sunni and Shi'a. But the JWs are a completely different story. While we worship Christ, they do not. Surely any reasonable definition of Christianity needs to include that rather obvious detail.

Just as you complain that the Ahmadi have their own version of the Qur'an, so too the JWs have their own scriptures as well.

You don't except the Ahamdi as being part of Islam. Well, I do. And since I'm not a Muslim certainly I should be able to say who is and who is not a Muslim. That is the whole basis of your arguement with regard to these spurious sects that have nothing to do with Christianity, other than that they like to mis-use the term and apply it to themselves just like the Ahmadi do in your case. So, every time you give credence to one of these psuedo-Christian cults as being a true part of Christianity, you can bet I'll bring up the Ahmadi, the Sufi, and the Nation of Islam again and again and again.

all the best

 

[جوري]

Or maybe you will finally see that this is exactly the point that you are blind to. The differences between Catholic, Orthodox, and protestant, and of no more importance in the long run than are the differences between Sunni and Shi'a. But the JWs are a completely different story. While we worship Christ, they do not. Surely any reasonable definition of Christianity needs to include that rather obvious detail.

'obvious' by popular vote, I understand!

Just as you complain that the Ahmadi have their own version of the Qur'an, so too the JWs have their own scriptures as well.

They seem to be using your own scriptures to point out the obvious not one that came to them courtesy of some colonialists!

You don't except the Ahamdi as being part of Islam. Well, I do. And since I'm not a Muslim certainly I should be able to say who is and who is not a Muslim. That is the whole basis of your arguement with regard to these spurious sects that have nothing to do with Christianity, other than that they like to mis-use the term and apply it to themselves just like the Ahmadi do in your case. So, every time you give credence to one of these psuedo-Christian cults as being a true part of Christianity, you can bet I'll bring up the Ahmadi, the Sufi, and the Nation of Islam again and again and again.

Not at all, the basis of the argument is, that if your whole religion is faulty whether you believe in a mangod or not, and none of you with a consensus on what the bible ought to include, if in fact you voted on the deification of your messenger then you can stand to vote on his non-deification using the same methodology, or is the fact that it happened of antiquity loan it more credence? this is further cemented by your own admission that the bible isn't the word of god, then what difference would it make if they read the same passages and come up with a different interpretation than yours, you can call them a cult all you want, they are equally deviant to the rest of Christianity but certainly less obnoxious and in your face as Glenn Beck and his crowd!

all the best

all the best indeed

 

[Hiroshi]

Once again they came to my door and tried handing me their leaflets - only this time I didn't accept them, but instead they've agreed to come round my house next week and have a 'little' discussion.

For me this seems like a serious dawa'h opp, they already started feeling uneasy when I asked them where in the bible does it say jesus is the begotten son.

Basically my plan is to disprove some of their beliefs then hopefully start talking to them about islam and I wanna hand them a quran english translation in the end.

I don't know much about their beliefs, so if someone can highlight the main beliefs I can hammer them on, that would great

JazakhAllah khair


btw whats with all the stupid center aligning?

Hi Aadil77.

I am a Jehovah's Witness. So you can practice on me if you like and then be prepared for when they come back.

 

[aadil77]

Hi Aadil77.

I am a Jehovah's Witness. So you can practice on me if you like and then be prepared for when they come back.

interesting, well as I mentioned above they came round we had our discussion and they went, one of them seemed quite interested in the Quran - don't know if they'll come again in the future

so you're a JW, well tell me then how death (not existing) can be a just punishment for a lifetime of sin?

what leads you to believe that hell does not exist?

and what leads you to believe that god has a begotten son? and does this make sense to you?

 

[Hiroshi]

interesting, well as I mentioned above they came round we had our discussion and they went, one of them seemed quite interested in the Quran - don't know if they'll come again in the future

so you're a JW, well tell me then how death (not existing) can be a just punishment for a lifetime of sin?

what leads you to believe that hell does not exist?

A lot of people feel that there can be no justice and proper punishment without a hell of torment. But what you have to consider is that the future stretches on into eternity. And so punishment in hell would literally be infinite: unending. Now however evil or destructive a person has behaved in their lifetime, whatever wickedness they would have committed would be limited. It wouldn't be justice to chastise them forever for a limited period of sin.

God's punishment always has a purpose. When he brings suffering and hardship upon someone as a consequence for sin, it is with the view of changing that person's course, making them turn around and repent of their sins. This took place with King Manasseh the king of Judah. He filled Jerusalem with bloodshed, practiced idolatry, the occult and magic and did worse than any king before him. But when God punished him and he was taken into exile by a pagan nation he repented and changed completely.

Obviously though, those ones supposedly burning in hell would have no opportunity to repent and regain God's favour. They would be stuck in hell forever. Their ongoing suffering would serve no purpose.

Hell does, of course, exist and is referred to in the Bible. "Hell" is translated from the Hebrew word: "sheol" and the Greek words: "hades" and "gehenna". But the meanings of these terms does not correspond with a place of eternal fiery torment. Sheol and hades mean the same thing: the grave. Gehenna corresponds to the Hebrew "Gei-Hinnom" (from where the Qur'an's Arabic term "jahannam" is derived) meaning the "Valley of Hinnom". This was the location, not of a place of torture, but of a burning rubbish dump. Hence gehenna fitly represents a place of total and final destruction.

This is a very broad and simplified overview. I could go into much more detail if you wish.

The real starting point to lead into a study of this subject would be to consider what is meant by a "soul". A soul is not some immaterial, immortal part of man. Rather, soul means a living person and could even mean an animal.

and what leads you to believe that god has a begotten son? and does this make sense to you?

It makes sense to me that God has created living beings and given them life. Mankind and the angels are made in God's image, and since a father is a life-giver, God can be viewed as their Father and they can be called sons of God. We believe that Jesus was the first creation of God and so, in a special sense, his son. The word for "only-begotten" is understood to literally mean: "unique", "one of a kind". I don't see a problem with saying that Jesus is the first creation, the only one of his kind.

 

[جوري]

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 41 Surah Haa Meem verse 46:

46 Whoever works righteousness benefits his own soul; whoever works evil it is against his own soul: nor is thy Lord ever unjust (in the least) to His servants!
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 22 Surah Hajj verses 7-10:
7 And verily the Hour will come: there can be no doubt about it or about (the fact) that Allah will raise up all who are in the graves.
8 Yet there is among men such a one as disputes about Allah without knowledge, without guidance, and without a Book of Enlightenment.
9 (Disdainfully) bending his side in order to (lead men) astray from the Path of Allah; for him there is disgrace in this life and on the Day of Judgment we shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).
10 (It will be said): "This is because of the deeds which thy hands sent forth for verily Allah is never unjust to His servants!

One amongst the many Noble and Exclusive Attributes of our Lord Creator is that He is the' 'Al-Aadil' or the All-Just; and it does not behove and befit His Majesty and His Mercy to ever be unjust to any in His creation.
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 17 Surah Israa verses 13-15:

13 Every man`s augury We have fastened on his own neck: on the Day of Judgment We shall bring out for him a scroll which he will see spread open.
14 (It will be said to him "Read thine (own) record: sufficient is thy soul this day to make out an account against thee."
15 Who receiveth guidance receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent Our messenger!

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 26 Surah Shuaraa verses 208-209:

208 Never did We destroy a people but had its warners
209 by way of reminder; and We never are unjust.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 35 Surah Faatir verse 24:

24 Verily We have sent thee (O Prophet) in Truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and as a warner: and there never was a people without a warner having lived among them.

And just to make absolutely sure that this Just-Law is implemented and that one who has not received the Message of their Lord is punished, every time a people are about to be cast into the dungeons of the Hell Fire, they will be asked by the guardian Angels of the Hell Fire whether or not a warner from their Lord came to them and recited to them the Warning and the Message of their Lord! And every wrongdoer at the gates of Hell Fire on that Tumultuous Day will indeed admit and confess himself that Allah's warner did indeed come unto them, but it was they themselves who in their arrogance rejected Allah's Message and His Warning!
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 67 Surah Mulk verses 6-11:

6 For those who reject their Lord is the Penalty of Hell: and evil is (such) destination.
7 When they are cast therein they will hear the (terrible) drawing in of its breath, even as it blazes forth.
8 Almost bursting with fury: every time a group is cast therein its keepers (the Angels) will ask "Did no warner come to you?"
9 They will say: "Yes indeed: a warner did come to us but we rejected him and said `Allah never sent down any (Message): ye are in nothing but an egregious delusion!` "
10 They will further say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence we should not (now) be among the companions of the Blazing Fire!"
11 They will then confess their sins: but far will be (Forgiveness) from the Companions of the Blazing Fire!

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 39 Surah Zumar verses 71-72:

71 The unbelievers will be led to Hell in crowds; until when they arrive there its gates will be opened and its Keepers (the Angels) will say "Did not messengers come to you from among yourselves rehearsing to you the Signs of your Lord and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" The answer will be: "True: but the decree of punishment has been proved true against the unbelievers!"
72 (To them) will be said: "Enter ye the gates of Hell to dwell therein: and evil is (this) abode of the arrogant!"
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 35 Surah Fatir verses 36-37:

36 But those who reject (Allah) for them will be the Fire of Hell: no term shall be determined for them so they should die nor shall its Penalty be lightened for them: thus do We reward every ungrateful ones!
37 Therein will they cry aloud (for assistance): "O Our Lord! Bring us out: we shall work righteousness not the (deeds) we used to do!" Did We not give you long enough life so that he that would should receive admonition? And (moreover) the warner came to you! So taste ye (the fruit of your deeds): for the wrongdoers there is no helper."



the operative word here is sinning against the soul, the soul is eternal, and committing a sin is an estrangement from God and a breech in his covenant. As such indeed deserves eternal punishment for unlike worldly sins which can be expiated, a sin against the soul is ever lasting for God in creating us has bestowed upon us with that the gift of two lives.

Just as there is eternal heaven, so there is an eternal hell.. else what would be the point? What theme would this earth run on? one would be better off an atheist than holding on to such odd beliefs... further compounded by the ridiculous rituals and lack of common sense for instance refusing blood transfusions, well if you fear no hell (not that hell would be a punishment for one seeking medical attention) then why bother at all hold on to such silliness, further impose it on your loved ones in cases where life and limb saving treatment is needed.


Thank God medicine has more common sense and autonomy is limited to self and not minors when it comes to life threatening situations.



your descriptions of Jouhnam being a dump in Israel is perpetuated by the un-educated only..
how about you find us the derivatives of:


Jahannam:
“Truly Jahannam
[an-Naba, 78: 21]
Latha:
[Ma’arij, 70: 15-16]
Al-Hutamah
[al Humazah, 104: 4-7]
Sa’eer
[ash-Shura, 42: 7]
Saqar:
[al Muddaththir, 74: 26-29]
Al-Jaheem
[ash-Shu’ara, 26: 91]
Al-Hawiyah
[al Qar’iah, 101: 8-11]
and last but certainly not least!
Zamhareer



or did they not teach you about those where they have you indoctrinated?



all the best

 

[aadil77]

A lot of people feel that there can be no justice and proper punishment without a hell of torment. But what you have to consider is that the future stretches on into eternity. And so punishment in hell would literally be infinite: unending. Now however evil or destructive a person has behaved in their lifetime, whatever wickedness they would have committed would be limited. It wouldn't be justice to chastise them forever for a limited period of sin.

Nope it is justice, especially when you blaspheme against god and claim he has a son or a daughter when all you have to do is except he was one, god is most severe in punishment. He is above the claims of humans who attribute to Him humanistic traits

God's punishment always has a purpose. When he brings suffering and hardship upon someone as a consequence for sin, it is with the view of changing that person's course, making them turn around and repent of their sins. This took place with King Manasseh the king of Judah. He filled Jerusalem with bloodshed, practiced idolatry, the occult and magic and did worse than any king before him. But when God punished him and he was taken into exile by a pagan nation he repented and changed completely.

How do you know that 'harship and suffering' is purely punishment? A baby could go through hardship although it is sinless. The wisdom of gods trials are only with Him, His trials can be a source of blessings and rewards or they can be punishment - you can't just claim they're purely punishment.

The JW lady who came to my house said that children are not innocent, that they're born with sins - couldn't believe the words coming out her mouth

Is this what you call justice? to punish toddlers for another persons mistake?

Obviously though, those ones supposedly burning in hell would have no opportunity to repent and regain God's favour. They would be stuck in hell forever. Their ongoing suffering would serve no purpose.

Whats the purpose of approximately 100 years of life on this earth then, only to be given another (unfair) chance when you're certain of the truth?

Is it Just that a man lives a lifetime of sin, rejects faith in the Al-Mighty is to be given another chance when he comes face to face with god?

Hell does, of course, exist and is referred to in the Bible. "Hell" is translated from the Hebrew word: "sheol" and the Greek words: "hades" and "gehenna". But the meanings of these terms does not correspond with a place of eternal fiery torment. Sheol and hades mean the same thing: the grave. Gehenna corresponds to the Hebrew "Gei-Hinnom" (from where the Qur'an's Arabic term "jahannam" is derived) meaning the "Valley of Hinnom". This was the location, not of a place of torture, but of a burning rubbish dump. Hence gehenna fitly represents a place of total and final destruction.

It doesn't concern a muslim what the corresponding hebrew translation for the arabic word Hell is

Your bible describes hell but you choose to ignore it, the JW's that came to my house said the image of hell given in the bible is not literal - that was quite amusing - choosing to dismiss something that could negatively affect you - ironic?

This is a very broad and simplified overview. I could go into much more detail if you wish.

The real starting point to lead into a study of this subject would be to consider what is meant by a "soul". A soul is not some immaterial, immortal part of man. Rather, soul means a living person and could even mean an animal.

It makes sense to me that God has created living beings and given them life. Mankind and the angels are made in God's image, and since a father is a life-giver, God can be viewed as their Father and they can be called sons of God. We believe that Jesus was the first creation of God and so, in a special sense, his son. The word for "only-begotten" is understood to literally mean: "unique", "one of a kind". I don't see a problem with saying that Jesus is the first creation, the only one of his kind.

If Jesus (peace be upon him) was the first of creation then why was he not the first man on earth? Why did he have to born again through mary? The bible describes Adam (peace be upon him) being created with no parents, doesn't that make him even more 'unique' than Jesus (peace be upon him)? Does that also make him a son of god?

God is the one like no other, he can't be very unique if he decides to take up a beget a son like humans (may Allah forgive me)

 

[Grace Seeker]

God is the one like no other, he can't be very unique if he decides to take up a beget a son like humans (may Allah forgive me)

Define "beget" please. What does it mean to say "he decides to take up a beget [sic] son like humans"?

I find that some people have such a misunderstanding of the begetting of the Son, so different than that which the Bible puts forth, that I would disbelieve it too. It is not at all like how humans beget one another.

 

[aadil77]

Define "beget" please. What does it mean to say "he decides to take up a beget [sic] son like humans"?

I find that some people have such a misunderstanding of the begetting of the Son, so different than that which the Bible puts forth, that I would disbelieve it too. It is not at all like how humans beget one another.

be·get/biˈget/Verb1. (typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) Bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.

well then he can't be the 'begotten son', and if he's not the begotten son then what is he? he's about as much of a son as I am to god

 

[Grace Seeker]

be·get/biˈget/Verb1. (typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) Bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.

well then he can't be the 'begotten son', and if he's not the begotten son then what is he? he's about as much of a son as I am to god

He is the monogenes, however you translate that into English is up to you. It is a hybrid word that you don't find outside of the few places where it is used in the Bible. So, you have to get its meaning primarily from the context. The KJV and several other translations have decided to translate it "begotten"; the NIV translates it "one and only", others use the term "unique". "Begotten" is a more literally understanding of the words from which it is composed, but "unique" makes better sense when utilizing dynamic equivilance rules for translating. There will forever be an argument between translators as they weigh how much stress to put on which end of the spectrum in the translation process. But either way, outside of this forum, I've never heard anyone suggest that these Biblical passages are trying to communicate the idea that the Son was brought into existence as a result of reproduction. Indeed the (trinitarian) Christian view -- which I stress is in contradistinction to that of JWs, Mormons, and Unitarians -- is that the Son has always existed since before the act of creation, that there is no time when the Son was not. Therefore, the Son cannot be the result of any sort of reproduction, human like or otherwise.

 

[Hiroshi]

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 41 Surah Haa Meem verse 46:

46 Whoever works righteousness benefits his own soul; whoever works evil it is against his own soul: nor is thy Lord ever unjust (in the least) to His servants!
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 22 Surah Hajj verses 7-10:
7 And verily the Hour will come: there can be no doubt about it or about (the fact) that Allah will raise up all who are in the graves.
8 Yet there is among men such a one as disputes about Allah without knowledge, without guidance, and without a Book of Enlightenment.
9 (Disdainfully) bending his side in order to (lead men) astray from the Path of Allah; for him there is disgrace in this life and on the Day of Judgment we shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

Asking a Muslim not to believe in hellfire is the same as asking a Muslim not to believe in the Qur'an. Unquestionably the Qur'an teaches that there is eternal fiery torment for the wicked after death and even gives reasons to justify this. All I can say is that the Bible gives a different picture.

According to the Qur'an and hadith you yourself will go to burn in hell after you die.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 78, Number 650 says:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Any Muslim who has lost three of his children will not be touched by the Fire except that which will render Allah's oath fulfilled."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/...rces/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/078.sbt.html


"Allah's Oath" referred to here is that mentioned in Surah 19:71 which promises that everyone must enter hell for a time. Surah 19:72 then goes on to say that the righteous will be delivered out of hell but the wrongdoers would be left there.

Not a happy message.

 

[Hiroshi]

If Jesus (peace be upon him) was the first of creation then why was he not the first man on earth? Why did he have to born again through mary?

Jesus existed in heaven before any man was created on earth.

The bible describes Adam (peace be upon him) being created with no parents, doesn't that make him even more 'unique' than Jesus (peace be upon him)? Does that also make him a son of god?

Yes. The Bible calls Adam: "son of God".

 

[جوري]

Asking a Muslim not to believe in hellfire is the same as asking a Muslim not to believe in the Qur'an. Unquestionably the Qur'an teaches that there is eternal fiery torment for the wicked after death and even gives reasons to justify this. All I can say is that the Bible gives a different picture.

According to the Qur'an and hadith you yourself will go to burn in hell after you die.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 78, Number 650 says:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Any Muslim who has lost three of his children will not be touched by the Fire except that which will render Allah's oath fulfilled."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/...rces/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/078.sbt.html


"Allah's Oath" referred to here is that mentioned in Surah 19:71 which promises that everyone must enter hell for a time. Surah 19:72 then goes on to say that the righteous will be delivered out of hell but the wrongdoers would be left there.

Not a happy message.

I wouldn't be using the 'Jewish''Muslim'' engagement' to make a point to a Muslim wouldn't you think?
and even if every Muslim were to go to hell which isn't actually the case, it wouldn't make it any more or less true simply because you find it an 'unhappy' message. Truth isn't about what is appealing to your desires, truth is about what stands out from error!

all the best

 

[Hiroshi]

the operative word here is sinning against the soul, the soul is eternal, and committing a sin is an estrangement from God and a breech in his covenant. As such indeed deserves eternal punishment for unlike worldly sins which can be expiated, a sin against the soul is ever lasting for God in creating us has bestowed upon us with that the gift of two lives.

Can you show me where the Qur'an states that the soul is immortal?

 

[Hiroshi]

I wouldn't be using the 'Jewish''Muslim'' engagement' to make a point to a Muslim wouldn't you think?
and even if every Muslim were to go to hell which isn't actually the case, it wouldn't make it any more or less true simply because you find it an 'unhappy' message. Truth isn't about what is appealing to your desires, truth is about what stands out from error!

all the best

You say that it isn't actually the case that every Muslim goes to hell. Let me again quote the Sahih Bukhari hadith: "will not be touched by the Fire except that which will render Allah's oath fulfilled."

 

[جوري]

You say that it isn't actually the case that every Muslim goes to hell. Let me again quote the Sahih Bukhari hadith: "will not be touched by the Fire except that which will render Allah's oath fulfilled."

again, a NonMuslim who has no knowledge of Arabic, the science of hadith and especially quotes a now hijacked so called Islamic site, shouldn't come teach a Muslim about their religion what do you think? unless you enjoy openly displaying your ignorance?

 

[جوري]

Can you show me where the Qur'an states that the soul is immortal?

“On the day when thou wilt see the believers, men and women, their light shining forth before them and on their right hands, (and wilt hear it said unto them): Glad news for you this day: Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein ye are immortal. That is the supreme triumph.” (Al-Hadid:

one of many btw, but I need to go to work..I find it strange for someone who is quoting me a hadith from a Jewish site to come and ask me of the soul's mortality, resurrection and eternal life.. I mean simply pick up the Quran and read it sometime you can't miss it, browse to suret Al-kahf or even the suret Ad-Dukhan above which I have posted to see, that the death of this world is only but once and a way to eternity!

all the best
​

 

[Hiroshi]

again, a NonMuslim who has no knowledge of Arabic, the science of hadith and especially quotes a now hijacked so called Islamic site, shouldn't come teach a Muslim about their religion what do you think? unless you enjoy openly displaying your ignorance?

Peace, The Vale's Lily.

I don't mind at all displaying ignorance if it means that I will learn something. Feel free to shoot me down in flames if I am in the wrong.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 601 says: "Anas then said, "Muhammad talked to us saying, 'On the Day of Resurrection the people will surge with each other like waves, and then they will come to Adam and say, 'Please intercede for us with your Lord.' He will say, 'I am not fit for that but you'd better go to Abraham as he is the Khalil of the Beneficent.' They will go to Abraham and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to Moses as he is the one to whom Allah spoke directly.' So they will go to Moses and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to Jesus as he is a soul created by Allah and His Word.' (Be: And it was) they will go to Jesus and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to Muhammad.' ... Then He will say, 'Go and take out (all those) in whose hearts there is faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed. (Take them) out of the Fire.' I will go and do so."'

This clearly shows believers being rescued out of hell fire to enter paradise. I have even read commentary on Surah 19:71 that suggests that the fire may be cool and pleasant while Muslims are there. But the vast majority of Islamic authorities agree that everyone of humanity will spend some time in hell.

 

[Insaanah]

"Allah's Oath" referred to here is that mentioned in Surah 19:71 which promises that everyone must enter hell for a time. Surah 19:72 then goes on to say that the righteous will be delivered out of hell but the wrongdoers would be left there.

Not a happy message.

Greetings Hiroshi,

Firstly, in this thread and in others, you have demonstrated your blind acceptance of anything being the truth that is written in the answering islam website, especially articles by the foul-mouthed Sam Shamoun, who is known for his f-word responses to Muslims.

Just changing a few words here and there so that it can't be recognised as a copy and paste makes no difference. Your attitude appears to be one of, "Ah, lets see how the Muslims respond to this now!" rather than one of a true seeker of knowledge.

If you want to play the answering islam and answering christianity game, frankly there isn't much point in your coming to this forum, because all you have to do is to go to answering christianity website, and find the answer to your point. If you have a genuine interest in Islam and for sincere interaction with Muslims then you are welcome. Only Allah knows innermost intentions, but I can only go by what I have seen you do in this thread and others, and which, when I have twice pointed the fact out to you, you have not denied.

However, I will take this opportunity to correct what you have obtained from the answering islam website that the Qur'an says that everyone must enter hell for a time. It does not. You can't rely on a blind copy and paste. The Arabic word dakhala for enter is not used in this verse (19:71)

Sahih International
And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.

Muhsin Khan
There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell); this is with your Lord; a Decree which must be accomplished.

Pickthall
There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.

Yusuf Ali
Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.

Nowhere does it say everyone will enter it, in fact the word enter isn't even used. To approach, to pass over, or to come to something, does not equate with entering.

All of will pass over hell fire, on a bridge over it; those who go to Paradise wll pass over it speedily and easily, and those who have done the deeds of the people of hell will fall into it and enter it.

Peace.

 

[Insaanah]

I don't mind at all displaying ignorance if it means that I will learn something. Feel free to shoot me down in flames if I am in the wrong.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 601 says: "Anas then said, "Muhammad talked to us saying, 'On the Day of Resurrection the people will surge with each other like waves, and then they will come to Adam and say, 'Please intercede for us with your Lord.' He will say, 'I am not fit for that but you'd better go to Abraham as he is the Khalil of the Beneficent.' They will go to Abraham and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to Moses as he is the one to whom Allah spoke directly.' So they will go to Moses and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to Jesus as he is a soul created by Allah and His Word.' (Be: And it was) they will go to Jesus and he will say, 'I am not fit for that, but you'd better go to Muhammad.' ... Then He will say, 'Go and take out (all those) in whose hearts there is faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed. (Take them) out of the Fire.' I will go and do so."'

This clearly shows believers being rescued out of hell fire to enter paradise. I have even read commentary on Surah 19:71 that suggests that the fire may be cool and pleasant while Muslims are there. But the vast majority of Islamic authorities agree that everyone of humanity will spend some time in hell.

I'm afraid they don't. This refers to those believers whose bad deeds outweighed their good deeds (but they still had faith), thus went into the fire first before going into paradise. All those whose good deeds outweigh their outweigh their bad deeds, and to whom Allah shows His Mercy, go straight to heaven. Nowehere does this hadeeth say everyone will go to hell.

Peace.