In Islam, does God love everybody?

[Jennoula]

Naidamar,

I appreciate your effort but still I didn't get an answer to my question.
Reading the Qoran I didn't find any 'proof' that Allah loves us all; right the contrary. I was expecting an answer supported from the Qoran.
The fact that I am alive is a matter of biology. But even to that, your book says your God hates me so much that he will punish me in the afterlife, no?

 

[syed_z]

(3:31) (O Messenger!) Tell people: 'If you indeed love Allah, follow me, and Allah will love you and will forgive you your sins. Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate.'


Allah (swt) love you if you follow the last of all Messengers , Seal of the Prophets, Prophet Muhammad (saw)...because obeying Prophet Muhammad is obeying God.

 

[MEG]

agreed - If you want to know the answer of the question does God love everybody? - You should see how much the indivdual loves God. Why should God love somebody who doesnt care about God? and doesnt love God at all?

Thanks for this answer. So do you believe that God loves those who don't love Him (but don't hate Him either), but follow Him out of fear of hell?

Sorry, I'm trying to have a better understanding of Islamic beliefs.

As to answer your post, God loves everyone because He gave us all free will. He could force everyone to accept Him, but out of love, he wants us to accept Him of their own accord. Every sin is against God, be it atheism, idoltary, murder, lying, stealing, fighting etc... and God's mercy is enough itself to make me believe that God loves even the worst of people. It shows that God wants everyone in Heaven and is waiting for us to repent and return to Him.

 

[marwen]

I liked many posts here ! and I want to add something : something confusing here is that we suppose that God's love should be like our human love. God's love is more vast. I think God has 3 levels or types of love :
1) the love for all human kinds : those who obey Him and also for those who disobey Him : it's Allah's MERCY which covers every creature. That's why Allah provides every human with livelihood (rizq) and gifts even to those who disobey Him and don't believe in Him. This mercy doesn't contradict the fact that the people who do sins/disbelieve deserve to get a proportional punishment in the afterlife.

2) a more higher type of love is given to the people who believe in God and try to know about Him. These people are the believers, and God loves them more than the others (disbelievers), and because of this love He gives them guidance (Hidayah) and forgiveness, and reward them for every good deed they make no matter how little are there good deeds.

3) another bigger love is reserved for believers who strive to please God and perfect their prayers and their worship and who show a big love for their God. God makes them close to Himself => Surat Al Waqi'ah (11) :

Those are the ones brought near [to Allah ]


Allah Does love everybody as Allah's mercy is covering everything and the love is more big for the people who love Him and obey Him.

And Allah knows Best !

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[aadil77]

And by the way, what is the point of free will when the consequences don't offer any alternative other than paradise or eternal fire?

whats that supposed to mean? you get your chance and free will in this life, in the next life its gods will that decides where you'll end up - based upon your actions

 

[aadil77]

The governments are also protecting those women who are having acid thrown in their face for receiving higher education.

Do you seriously accept this crap you're fed by the govt? killing millions in the process of 'protecting' a few?

 

[Zafran]

Thanks for this answer. So do you believe that God loves those who don't love Him (but don't hate Him either), but follow Him out of fear of hell?

No - God loves those that God chooses to love. A rapist can think that God loves him for being a rapist is beyond me - is that what you believe that God loves the rapists for putting the rape victim in so much trauma?

As to answer your post, God loves everyone because He gave us all free will. He could force everyone to accept Him, but out of love, he wants us to accept Him of their own accord. Every sin is against God, be it atheism, idoltary, murder, lying, stealing, fighting etc... and God's mercy is enough itself to make me believe that God loves even the worst of people. It shows that God wants everyone in Heaven and is waiting for us to repent and return to Him

So do you believe the man who likes to rape people and does not show remorse is loved by God as much as the person who does not rape people?

 

[جوري]

As to answer your post, God loves everyone because He gave us all free will. He could force everyone to accept Him, but out of love, he wants us to accept Him of their own accord. Every sin is against God, be it atheism, idoltary, murder, lying, stealing, fighting etc... and God's mercy is enough itself to make me believe that God loves even the worst of people. It shows that God wants everyone in Heaven and is waiting for us to repent and return to Him.

good to know your god will accept hitler, xedong and the gang in his heaven


all the best

 

[aadil77]

Thanks for this answer. So do you believe that God loves those who don't love Him (but don't hate Him either), but follow Him out of fear of hell?

Sorry, I'm trying to have a better understanding of Islamic beliefs.

As to answer your post, God loves everyone because He gave us all free will. He could force everyone to accept Him, but out of love, he wants us to accept Him of their own accord. Every sin is against God, be it atheism, idoltary, murder, lying, stealing, fighting etc... and God's mercy is enough itself to make me believe that God loves even the worst of people. It shows that God wants everyone in Heaven and is waiting for us to repent and return to Him.

Christians like to talk alot about love, love is a very strong emotion and you would have to possess some very specific qualities to qualify for gods love, thats why I do not agree that gods mercy is only given to those who He loves.

Straight forward answer is we cannot say for certain or speak on behalf of god and claim He loves everyone including those who blaspheme against Him, disbelieve in Him etc. We can't say for certain because we simply do not have the sufficient proof, what we can say is that god is merciful to everyone which does not automatically equal He loves everyone.

 

[Zafran]

Naidamar,

I appreciate your effort but still I didn't get an answer to my question.
Reading the Qoran I didn't find any 'proof' that Allah loves us all; right the contrary. I was expecting an answer supported from the Qoran.
The fact that I am alive is a matter of biology. But even to that, your book says your God hates me so much that he will punish me in the afterlife, no?

That depends on how much you love Allah swt?

edit - one of the 99 names of God is Al Wadud the all loving.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Christians preach love because we are told "love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart... Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets". Of course we can never live up to His expectations, which is why we repent. You do the same, do you not?

Thats why Catholics and protestants love each other?

That’s why Christian missionaries love (read: take advantage of) those who are suffering in poverty? or maybe you give to the poor for your love of attention and good reputation with your other fellow Christians. hmmm...

I suppose love is the reason why you guy love invading islamicboards in hope to get some kind of reaction? Or maybe you love the sound of your own voice? And maybe...just maybe (and i do believe this is the real reason) that you can’t stand or admit the fact that Islam is the truth.

is love the reason you go to church as well? to show to everyone how much you love Jesus, peace be upon him.

Please don't tell us we are lying. Anyone who knows the basics of Christianity knows that Christians believe in the Holy Trinity and that Christ taught to pray for those who persecute us. If you tell us that that isn't in the Bible, then you must be reading that 'knitter's bible' that Waterstones is selling.

translation: i know you are right but i cant admit it. ha oh well, i'll just be a smart alec to make me look better and hope that will suffice to get my point ambiguous across. [/translation]

btw are you trying to be funny? because you doing a terrible job of it.

dont you guys have anything better to do? such as...ummmm....getting a life :><:.

Anyway, to conclude my discovery, I have the impression from these posts, that in Islam, God doesn't love everybody

well its about time something finally sunk in. Congratulations Sherlock. I mean its not like we’ve talking about it during the 4 pages of this thread! i guess i assume that there wont be further discussion from you about this :hmm:

and that if you don't have the Islamic belief, then you are a liar. Is this correct?

now you’re just putting word in our mouths.

 

[Insaanah]

Muslims don't believe that we are God's chosen people, or assume that we are automatically deserving of God's love. It is through God's love for mankind that He repeatedly sent Messengers and books to guide people to the straight path. After that, there were some that followed God's guidance and those who didn't.

If there is a class of students, some are lazy and do nothing and get a fail mark, some work hard day and night on the syllabus and are worthy of distinctions, but the teacher gives them all pass marks, is that fair? Is that just? How can we ascribe the same unjustness to God?

We have a mass murderer and serial rapist on the one hand, and a devout, pious worshipper on the other, but God loves them both the same. That is not fair or just, and we cannot and should not ascribe such unjustness to God. I know God would love the repentance of the criminal, but here we are talking about loving him as is. If someone was (God forbid) raping your sister, would you stand there and say, "Well, I hate the act you're doing but boy, do I love you!"?

God makes one person die for the sins of the whole of humankind, and rather than each person being responsible for their own sins, he has to unjustly bear the burden. That is not Just and not fair. Again, we do not and will not ascribe such unjustness to God.

I know Christians will say, "But it was an act of love, for God so loved the world.." etc etc, but Muslims find making blood sacrifices of an innocent victim a strange way for one to resort to to have to demonstrate one's love.

My aim here is not "bash" Christianity, nor to offend anyone, neither to invite debate, but to point out how we see the Christian belief, as the Christians here seem to be having a hard time accepting the Muslim view, so you need to see things from the other side of the coin, and perhaps think about your own belief with regards to this as well.

You may not like the answer that the Muslims prior to me in the thread have given, indeed it may not sit comfortably with you at all, however in Islam we believe in a firm and just God.

We do not assume we have His love, but we hope for it and ask for it, and have the following lovely supplication:

"O Allah, I ask you for Your love, and the love of those who love You, and the love of every action that will bring me closer to Your love."

We hope for His mercy, and we worship Him not with love alone (because then a person can do anything and think and assume that God will love him all the same) but with a combination of love (We should be overwhelming in our love for Him), hope (since He is the One who is full of Mercy, and we hope He will forgive our mistakes and shortcomings) and fear (on the Day of Judgement, every person will stand before Allaah and account for his sins, knowing that not even the smallest action which he did is hidden from Allaah, and we remind ourselves of this Judgement and accountability and that should bring about in us a sense of fear).

Peace.

 

[MEG]

[/quote]Straight forward answer is we cannot say for certain or speak on behalf of god and claim He loves everyone including those who blaspheme against Him, disbelieve in Him etc. We can't say for certain because we simply do not have the sufficient proof, what we can say is that god is merciful to everyone which does not automatically equal He loves everyone.

Thank you for explaining this.

Now to reply to the next post:

Thats why Catholics and protestants love each other?

Yes.

That’s why Christian missionaries love (read: take advantage of) those who are suffering in poverty? or maybe you give to the poor for your love of attention and good reputation with your other fellow Christians. hmmm...

I was unaware of Christian missionaries taking advantage of the poor. There is strong teaching that we must not try to let people know when we do good works so that our only rewards are from God. However, this does not apply to charities because they would fail if done in secret.

I suppose love is the reason why you guy love invading islamicboards in hope to get some kind of reaction? Or maybe you love the sound of your own voice? And maybe...just maybe (and i do believe this is the real reason) that you can’t stand or admit the fact that Islam is the truth.

I'm not trying to get a reaction. I'm trying to learn about Islam and I am also going to reply to offensive posts like yours so that you don't remain ignorant. Why are you so angry at me for being a Christian? I love learning about religion and my best friend is a Muslim, so I have sparked an interest in Islam. Please tell me why you are so against this. If you aren't against this then I apologise but you need to take a look at the impression that your replies are giving.

is love the reason you go to church as well? to show to everyone how much you love Jesus, peace be upon him.

Yes love is the reason why I go to Church as well, but I'm not bothered about demonstrating to others. I do it because I want to be closer to God and keep the Sabbath day holy.

I won't bother replying to the rest because I don't actually think you are interested anyway. Please accept that I want to learn about Islam. You should be proud of your religion and accept this gracefully. If you are against Christians being on here, then I simply don't care lol.

Muslims don't believe that we are God's chosen people, or assume that we are automatically deserving of God's love. It is through God's love for mankind that He repeatedly sent Messengers and books to guide people to the straight path. After that, there were some that followed God's guidance and those who didn't.

Insaanah, Thank you for clarifying that and thanks for the rest of your post, but I would be quoting too much to reply to everything individually.

Do Muslims believe in the Old and New Covenant? I'm not sure you do, but if you don't then that would explain a lot. To clarify, I will try to summarise it for you: (Old Covenant)Because the Israelites were commanded to sacrifice one of their animals (preferably a first born, male Lamb) to attone for their sins, Jews are waiting for an opportunity to rebuild their temple so that they may do this once again. (New Covenant) Christians would be doing this also if we didn't believe that Christ is The Lamb of the New Covenant- the perfect and everlasting sacrifice.

No offence was taken by your post by the way and please don't take offense about beliefs about Christ from non-Muslims. We are obviously going to have our own opinions. I don't have a problem accepting the Islamic beliefs, it's only when I'm accused of being a liar (by a certain member) when I'm not even a Muslim :/ I would love for this thread to return to it's original tone.

 

[MEG]

I forgot to state something in my last post, but I have just come to realise this.

As a Muslim, what is your definition of love? I believe that Christians have a different definition of love, which would explain a lot.

 

[Woodrow]

I forgot to state something in my last post, but I have just come to realise this.

As a Muslim, what is your definition of love? I believe that Christians have a different definition of love, which would explain a lot.

Love is a very limited self serving human emotion. While it is a beautiful emotion, it is designed for humans and is the fulfillment of human fairness and mercy towards each other. .

Allaah(swt) is beyond the concept of love as he is without needs and is perfection without equal. Allaah(swt) is all Just, all merciful and all giving at a level that is very far beyond our puny thoughts of love.

 

[MEG]

Love is a very limited self serving human emotion. While it is a beautiful emotion, it is designed for humans and is the fulfillment of human fairness and mercy towards each other. .

Allaah(swt) is beyond the concept of love as he is without needs and is perfection without equal. Allaah(swt) is all Just, all merciful and all giving at a level that is very far beyond our puny thoughts of love.

I didn't realise that Muslims believe this, so you believe that love is only a human attribute, or do you believe that the human concept of love isn't perfect enough?

 

[Zafran]

I forgot to state something in my last post, but I have just come to realise this.

As a Muslim, what is your definition of love? I believe that Christians have a different definition of love, which would explain a lot.

what is the christian definition of love? Is a sinner loved as much as the person who does not sin?

In Islam one of the Gods 99 names is Al wadud meaning the Most loving. There is no higher love then the one who is Most loving

 

[Zafran]

I didn't realise that Muslims believe this, so you believe that love is only a human attribute, or do you believe that the human concept of love isn't perfect enough?

One the 99 names of God is al Wadud - the most loving - as humans we can only grasp limited things - such as we can grasp mercy but not absoltue mercy which is one of the names of God - we can grasp love but not the most loving as we are limited creatures. The love that humans feel is a creation of God the most loving.

 

[Woodrow]

I didn't realise that Muslims believe this, so you believe that love is only a human attribute, or do you believe that the human concept of love isn't perfect enough?

The human concept of love while the most powerful of human emotions is insignificant in comparison of the attributes of Allaah(swt)

 

[Karl]

There seems to be a lot of anamosity between people here about Gods love, to make things really simple Allah loves all of His creation. But this is not on a personal level you must understand, it would be like a person saying "I love the sea" even though the sea can be full of sharks and really ugly fish.
"Love your enemies" has so many meanings, but I believe Jesus (PBUH) meant this on a political level. The Jews were very inward looking and phobic of other cultures and considered all non Jews as the enemy. He was trying to get them to rise above this small minded tribalism.