"Innocence of Muslims" movie causes outrage

[GuestFellow]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

It just does not sound very convincing. Someone ('the media', Mossad, the CIA) creating an amateurish film in English, puts it on youtube in the hope that sometime or another this will get translated by Arab media and end in "controversy". And keep in mind the whole 'plan' would depend on Muslims actually going out to riot in response.

It doesn't sound like the most cunning plan ever hatched if you ask me . After all, and I don't want to cause alarm, but there is so much Islamophobia all over the Internet I am surprised this bad attempt at it even got noticed. You don't need help from the Mossad/CIA, Republicans or even 'the media' to create anti-Islamic material. Trust me, there are plenty of private persons who hate Islam enough to do it all on their own accord!

Just to make myself clear, I'm not saying the media created this video to make Muslims angry, thus have something to report. :/ I just saying the media can benefit from this video as they get more viewings.

As for the motives behind this video, I think it was to make Muslims angry.

 

[جوري]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

It just does not sound very convincing. Someone ('the media', Mossad, the CIA) creating an amateurish film in English, puts it on youtube in the hope that sometime or another this will get translated by Arab media and end in "controversy". And keep in mind the whole 'plan' would depend on Muslims actually going out to riot in response.

It doesn't sound like the most cunning plan ever hatched if you ask me . After all, and I don't want to cause alarm, but there is so much Islamophobia all over the Internet I am surprised this bad attempt at it even got noticed. You don't need help from the Mossad/CIA, Republicans or even 'the media' to create anti-Islamic material. Trust me, there are plenty of private persons who hate Islam enough to do it all on their own accord!

1- Nothing is done with you Kading in mind
2- Things don't have to be meticulously strategic or serve one huge purpose. So long as it serves one or two purposes then it is enough. Generally wreaking havoc is always good!
3- It isn't about one BIG plan all you need is many small stupid plans, done by small stupid expendible folks to set folks against each other, cause division, set factions, promote different opposing ideologies, pump meaningless sloagans like 'freedom of (fill in the blanks) whatever keeps them divided won't make them united
4- collateral damage is always good, you ought to read the Georgia guide stone sometime
last but certainly not least, why should I trust you and why would I care? I don't recall mentioning 'hate Islam' as the main reason.. it might indeed foster that in the process but it isn't the main point although it is certainly good. All I need do is browse wiki say about Ali ibn Abu Talib to see how his biography is infiltrated with all kinds of bull **** never before mentioned or recorded in history.
You don't strike me as very bright (just exercising my free speech) so what would you know of the intricacies of war especially those that impliment it in a psychological form?
is that a wink or is something wrong with one of your eyes?

best,

 

[Logikon]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

In the West, Muslims are pushing to outlaw any critisism of Islam or of Muhammad.
Most people are not aware of this.
As a result of this film, many peope are now aware.

The ones who benefit from it most are most likely the perpetrators of it.

I have heard a theory that Muslims arranged the film to publicise the issue globally.

 

[جوري]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

In the West, Muslims are pushing to outlaw any critisism of Islam or of Muhammad.
Most people are not aware of this.
As a result of this film, many peope are now aware.

Maybe the next turd who thinks of doing it will take heed. The same way they take heed not to draw swastika or question the holocaust!
It certainly shows solidarity and our love for the message and the messenger. At any rate whether we protest it or not, they certainly would have found means to perpetuate their agenda so what's to lose? hmmmmmmmmmmmm? I am curious?

 

[Hulk]

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I just came across this

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/20...nato-bombings-backing-saudi-jihadists-184761/

"RT finally asks the question the western media won’t – If these are anti-American protests why are UK and Germany embassies being targeted.The answer is quite simple – It’s because their involvement with NATO, the backing of Saudi Arabia’s Salafist Jihadists and the bombing of Muslims around the world."

"Massive Censorship As Media Pushes False Narrative On Mid East Riots"

Haven't fully looked into it but will do so now

 

[aamirsaab]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

In the West, Muslims are pushing to outlaw any critisism of Islam or of Muhammad.
Most people are not aware of this.
As a result of this film, many peope are now aware.

I have heard a theory that Muslims arranged the film to publicise the issue globally.

You are severly overestimating the power of muslims in the west. As of this moment in time, we do not have a single Islamic/muslim party in any western country. We barely have any muslim mps (at best they are tokens for the sake of votes rather than having any influential power). The mere fact that burqas/hijabs/sharia are ludicrously hot-topics that cannot be debated reasonably in ANY western country (in fact, it's quite the opposite as there's more talk of either one of those 3 being banned) should give you a pretty giant clue as to how much power/influence the Muslims have: None.

Educate yourself.

 

[ابن آل مرة]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

In the West, Muslims are pushing to outlaw any critisism of Islam or of Muhammad.

You mad?

I have heard a conspiracy theory that Muslims arranged the film to publicise the issue globally.

There fixed it for you.

 

[dusk]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

Maybe the next turd who thinks of doing it will take heed. The same way they take heed not to draw swastika or question the holocaust!

That seems utterly foolish to me. Some people set out to offend and draw attention. Terrorist don't attack a handful of people to kill as many infidels as possible, they do it as the name suggest to instill terror. They require the media coverage. Breivik wanted more than anything to be heard and preach his delusions.
That movie had one quite obvious purpose and it did more than just reach its goal. If anything this success will encourage more of the same. Just like there will always be some neo-nazis in some corner, there will always be some intolerant extremists that want their own preaching to make waves.

It certainly shows solidarity and our love for the message and the messenger. At any rate whether we protest it or not, they certainly would have found means to perpetuate their agenda so what's to lose? hmmmmmmmmmmmm? I am curious?

What's to loose when inciting riots in a populace of disillusioned youth that almost definitely turn violent? What's to loose when you promote the slander that you so despise with one of the biggest marketing events in history? If that movie in the depth of the web had been ignored nobody would be offended, the perpetuators would not have had success with such an incredibly poor attempt.

In this entire scenario I only see losers save for the ones who produced or financed that film.

 

[جوري]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

That seems utterly foolish to me.

Your feelings on the matter are inconsequential

Some people set out to offend and draw attention.

Some attention is worth responding to for it comes with consequence whether addressed or ignored!

Terrorist don't attack a handful of people to kill as many infidels as possible, they do it as the name suggest to instill terror. They require the media coverage. Breivik wanted more than anything to be heard and preach his delusions.

And you're suggesting no media coverage for Breivik?

That movie had one quite obvious purpose and it did more than just reach its goal.

The movies goals were going to be met under any circumstance!

If anything this success will encourage more of the same. Just like there will always be some neo-nazis in some corner, there will always be some intolerant extremists that want their own preaching to make waves.

To every action there's a reaction, hopefully the reaction will make them think twice the next time!

What's to loose when inciting riots in a populace of disillusioned youth that almost definitely turn violent? What's to loose when you promote the slander that you so despise with one of the biggest marketing events in history? If that movie in the depth of the web had been ignored nobody would be offended, the perpetuators would not have had success with such an incredibly poor attempt.

see above reply!

In this entire scenario I only see losers save for the ones who produced or financed that film.

The producer is actually undergoing criminal proceedings as all criminals should!
people who watch the movie (and they're free to do so) will know they're of the same class as the producer, he's actually wanted on several charges and was under house arrest before the movie itself. I don't think anyone sees him as a hero unless like minded twits!

best,

 

[observer]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

The producer is actually undergoing criminal proceedings as all criminals should!

Not at the minute he's not. He was taken in for questioning - maintaining presumption of innocence - however it is unclear that he has broken any law in the US.

 

[observer]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

Can't post a link yet, low post count, but the BBC says that he may have broken his parole conditions which instructed him not to access the internet or use aliases.

 

[جوري]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

Not at the minute he's not. He was taken in for questioning - maintaining presumption of innocence - however it is unclear that he has broken any law in the US.

Can't post a link yet, low post count, but the BBC says that he may have broken his parole conditions which instructed him not to access the internet or use aliases.

You just contradicted yourself- you can't violate your 'parole' conditions without first being a criminal!


best,

 

[IslamicRevival]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

Not at the minute he's not. He was taken in for questioning - maintaining presumption of innocence - however it is unclear that he has broken any law in the US.

Its clear as day. The individual who produced this blasphemous film is a convicted criminal, a fraudster, a con man http://rt.com/usa/news/nakoula-confirmed-anti-muslim-movie-063/ He is so decieving he even conned and mislead the actors who partook in the film http://rt.com/news/israeli-filmmaker-hiding-muhammad-932/ You can try defending this vile individual all you want but in the real world you cannot defend the indefensible

 

[GuestFellow]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

In the West, Muslims are pushing to outlaw any critisism of Islam or of Muhammad.
Most people are not aware of this.
As a result of this film, many peope are now aware.

I have heard a theory that Muslims arranged the film to publicise the issue globally.

Do you have any evidence for this?

 

[observer]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

You just contradicted yourself- you can't violate your 'parole' conditions without first being a criminal!

"May" have broken his parole. "May​". No contradiction there.

 

[observer]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

You can try defending this vile individual all you want but in the real world you cannot defend the indefensible

Woah - defending him? I've done no such thing. All I've done is say that at the minute, he hasn't been charged with any crime.

 

[جوري]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

"May" have broken his parole. "May​". No contradiction there.

lol.. why do people go on parole in your book? I have a feeling you don't understand what is written here. He's a criminal not necessarily because of the movie although we hope criminal charges will be brought against him for that, he's just a criminal by nature. If you don't understand what parole is let me put it plain for you from the dictionary!
a conditional release from imprisonment that entitles the person to serve the remainder of the sentence outside the prison as long as the terms of release are complied with.

best,

 

[Perseveranze]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

Asalaamu Alaikum,

 

[observer]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

lol.. why do people go on parole in your book? I have a feeling you don't understand what is written here. He's a criminal not necessarily because of the movie although we hope criminal charges will be brought against him for that, he's just a criminal by nature. If you don't understand what parole is let me put it plain for you from the dictionary!
a conditional release from imprisonment that entitles the person to serve the remainder of the sentence outside the prison as long as the terms of release are complied with.

best,

Yes, so his recent film has produced no criminal charges. Or were you talking about his previous criminality originally? Sorry, that wasn't clear in your original post.

 

[جوري]

Re: Innocent of Muslims move causes outrage

Yes, so his recent film has produced no criminal charges. Or were you talking about his previous criminality originally? Sorry, that wasn't clear in your original post.

Bottom line is he's a criminal whether he made a movie or not!
perhaps he was hoping to brown nose someone since anti-Islamic rhetoric is en vogue thereby reducing his previous sentence or garner enough attention or money to pay for his lawyers fees. I don't know.. What I do know is, he has been of questionable character movie or not!