Iranians fired up over election

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I remember muslims cheering up for Nijad ... and now look what he's doing to the people
 
^no one knows the future,,and the people voted for him, and there are laws. if a government is under threat, what should it do? should it let matters get out of control?

the protests got out of control, and were quelled, now it is over, they can-will- vote for the other guy in the next election, but Ahmadi nijad Did win this one, regardless of propaganda.
 
salafy_masry said:
I remember muslims cheering up for Nijad ... and now look what he's doing to the people
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and why are you so obssed with the Iranian leader, your an Egyption living in Egypt, if i was you i would be more worried and angry about your own leader who is the worst one i have seen out of all the puppet leaders. go do something about him before you want to fix Iran, a country you detest in the first place for being 'rafidah' which generally means you think its halal to even kill them.
 
It's a impossible situation, what if they have re-election and Ahmadinejad wins again?

They will cry foul and ask for another re-election.

Anyway how poweful is the super-leader Ayatollah? i always thought the people listened to him.
 
Hes the real head - although the Guardian council theoratically can replace him.
 
salafy_masry said:
people are saying "Death to ayat allah khamini .. death to islamic republic"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWlPS7ipqbU&feature=ytn:mptnews
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and your point is?????

who said all Iranians are supporters of him and the regime? did i say that? *looks around* nope, so your point is quite irrelevent to the point i made which is that i support ahmed and the system, and so do many others.

one thing is for sure though, there may be some groups calling for the end of the Islamic republic and death to khameni, but when it comes to your bloody government 99% of all Muslims call for their end and overthrow.
 
Since it is now harder to get news directly from Iran I read reports and don't know to what degree they are trustworthy, but if they are I find this report distrubing Iranian Cleric: Some In Unrest Should Be Executed

Khatami's call for harsh penalties and even death for those who are found to have defied the Islamic system.
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"Anyone who takes up arms to fight with the people, they are worthy of execution," Ayatollah Ahmed Khatami, a ranking cleric, said in a nationally broadcast sermon at Tehran University.
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AP video report

If Khatami really believes that the foreign media is distorting what is going on in Iran, all Iran has to do is open up media access once again so that what comes out is not just those who want to present a single view point sneak out, but that observers from around the world can each independently and freely report on what they see and let the people of the world make up their own minds up based on the broad picture that would then be available rather than being forced to use the narrow one that slips out now.
 
Guestfellow said:
Oh well. If that is what they want, so be it.
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It's important not to confuse two different things, I think. If the 'Islamic Republic' is identified solely with the current regime it seems perfectly reasonable that those who, rightly or wrongly, consider that regime to be guilty of rigging elections and persecuting and even murdering its opponents will be opposed to it. That does not amount to a rejection of the principle, just of the people responsible for behaving in what is, after all, a most un-islamic manner.
 
The_Prince said:
and why are you so obssed with the Iranian leader, your an Egyption living in Egypt, if i was you i would be more worried and angry about your own leader who is the worst one i have seen out of all the puppet leaders. go do something about him before you want to fix Iran, a country you detest in the first place for being 'rafidah' which generally means you think its halal to even kill them.
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An Israeli Newsletter,26.6.09 gives the answer

Second top-level Israel-Egyptian strategic parley in five weeks focuses on Iran
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

21 June: Israel's defense minister Ehud Barak said his talks in Cairo Sunday, June 21, with President Hosni Mubarak, Egyptian defense minister Gen. Tantawi and intelligence minister Gen. Suleiman were interesting and wide-ranging.
DEBKAfile's political sources report: The Cairo conference further solidified the understanding forged between Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia six months ago, which none of the parties acknowledge formally.
One of its aspects is Israel's willingness to take its Arab partners' interests into account in its military policy. This consideration guided Israel in ending its Gaza offensive in January short of wiping out the Palestinian extremist Hamas.
The three neighbors are bound by the common objective of halting Iran's Middle East expansion and curtailing its nuclear aspirations by means of diplomatic, military and intelligence cooperation, or alternatively, to minimize the menace posed to the region from Tehran. The three partners work together quietly and ad hoc.
The Saudis use Gen. Suleiman as their letterbox with Israel to avoid direct contacts.
No further comment required.
 
Trumble said:
It's important not to confuse two different things, I think. If the 'Islamic Republic' is identified solely with the current regime it seems perfectly reasonable that those who, rightly or wrongly, consider that regime to be guilty of rigging elections and persecuting and even murdering its opponents will be opposed to it. That does not amount to a rejection of the principle, just of the people responsible for behaving in what is, after all, a most un-islamic manner.
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Oh I see. Thanks for the clarification. I just meant, if the public are not happy, they should be given what they want as long as it is reasonable.
 
abedsalam said:
An Israeli Newsletter,26.6.09 gives the answer

Second top-level Israel-Egyptian strategic parley in five weeks focuses on Iran
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report

21 June: Israel's defense minister Ehud Barak said his talks in Cairo Sunday, June 21, with President Hosni Mubarak, Egyptian defense minister Gen. Tantawi and intelligence minister Gen. Suleiman were interesting and wide-ranging.
DEBKAfile's political sources report: The Cairo conference further solidified the understanding forged between Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia six months ago, which none of the parties acknowledge formally.
One of its aspects is Israel's willingness to take its Arab partners' interests into account in its military policy. This consideration guided Israel in ending its Gaza offensive in January short of wiping out the Palestinian extremist Hamas.
The three neighbors are bound by the common objective of halting Iran's Middle East expansion and curtailing its nuclear aspirations by means of diplomatic, military and intelligence cooperation, or alternatively, to minimize the menace posed to the region from Tehran. The three partners work together quietly and ad hoc.
The Saudis use Gen. Suleiman as their letterbox with Israel to avoid direct contacts.
No further comment required.
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indeed, no further comments are required.
 
AntiKarateKid said:
Man... It's so sad to see Muslims betraying Muslims.
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indeed, its the worst of the worst. whats more worst is when Muslims ignore it, and want to look and blame others such as in this case Iran. how do Muslims want to shout and complain about Iran when in their own country their government is the worst of the worst, and they dont do anything about it!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Grace Seeker said:
Are not both sides betraying not just Muslims but even Islamic ideals in what is going on in Iran?
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I see America's aims as solely concerned for its ideals which in cases contradict Islam.

I see the mideast governments as shams and contradictory to Islam.

I see the people pushing for just democracy and not democracy and proper Shariah as contradictory to Islam.

I don't think getting the right to vote solves the worlds problems. It can quite simply devolve into tyranny by the 51% majority.
 
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