Is Allah going to put non-muslims in heaven?

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I am thinking (hopely this is not too much off topic) does non-muslims - I mean atheists, those whose reject exist of God - even want to go to Heaven? If they reject exist of God, they then should also reject exist of Heaven too.

Of course we don´t know how they see these things at the Day of Judgement...
 
i guess that means that religion in general is just pointless and man-made, we shouldn't follow islam or any other religion then.

we should just simply follow the quran and call it " QURANANITY" lol

and we shouldn't listen to any imam or shiekh PERIOD, it's these people that make up certain things.
 
I am thinking (hopely this is not too much off topic) does non-muslims - I mean atheists, those whose reject exist of God - even want to go to Heaven? If they reject exist of God, they then should also reject exist of Heaven too.
I have met atheists who said "I wish I could believe in a God - but I simply can't ...". So perhaps it's not as simple as assuming that atheists REJECT God. Instead they simply don't have what it takes to convince them that he is real.

I think sometimes believers take the attitude that atheists deep down know that God exists, but that they refuse to accept it.
That's not my experience of atheists. The one's I know simply say "I have no evidence for the existence of God - so why should I believe in Him?"

Of course we don´t know how they see these things at the Day of Judgement...
Good point!
We may all realise the ways in which we misunderstood God on the Day of Judgement ... :embarrass
 
We may all realise the ways in which we misunderstood God on the Day of Judgement ... :embarrass

That´s true too. Unfortunately our sense might be quite imperfect to understand many things and we try to replace truth by what we wish to be truth.

:embarrass
 
But if you're saying that a good deed is only a good deed, or only has moral value, when it's performed by a Muslim, then that's quite a statement.

I have read about the method you are using, imply something from a statement and argue on the implied meaning. I'll just say, i don't mean what you imply. My point is simple, God willing, He rewards good deeds done to please Him and He won't reward good deeds done for anything or anyone else.

In effect that's exactly what Glo is arguing here.

I agree with Glo as well,
For those who never got any message about Allah from any source, I believe the answer is in Surah Asy-Syams (91:7-10). Everyone of us has a soul that will naturally long for God, those who follow their soul's guidance will succeed, those who corrupt it will fail. Some people call it conscience

Our soul is the fail-safe that God gave us the absence of a message from God. I'm not sure where i implied that it will draw "us to islam in particular"
 
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http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/2011/05/04/forgiving-major-sins-and-the-hadith-of-the-prostitute-who-gives-water-to-the-thirsty-dog/
Brother how does the link you posted pertain to the topic? It is about forgiveness of major sins, not about whether non-Muslims could enter jannah.
 
jannah is for muslims only. and even for muslims it isnt easy to get into so i always say to myself "how do you plan on defeating your lower self because jannah is surrounded by fitnah.... what is your hope?"

may sound heartless but i have little time to worry about those who reject Allah

althou i hope perhaps they will be guided by their own sincerity and Allah is most Just and Most Wise
 
:sl: Brother how does the link you posted pertain to the topic? It is about forgiveness of major sins, not about whether non-Muslims could enter jannah.

:sorry:

i was actually trying (oh so hard) NOT to comment. here:


Forgiving Major Sins and the Hadith of the Prostitute Who Gives Water to the Thirsty Dog
May 4th, 2011
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Answered by Sidi Salman Younas

Question: My question is about the following hadith: A prostitute was forgiven by Allah because passing by a panting dog near a well and seeing that the dog was about to die of thirst, she took off her shoe, and tying it with her head-cover she drew out some water for it. So, Allah forgave her because of that.

Does this mean that Allah will forgive major sins (all major sins excluding major kufr/major shirk) if one does good deeds even if one hasn’t actually repented for the major sin they committed? Or does the hadith mean that when she gave water to the thirsty dog Allah forgave a part of her sin (zina) but not all of the sin, only a part of it, is it possible that this is what was meant by the hadith?

Answer: assalamu `alaykum

Thank you for your question.

The position of Ahl al-Sunna is that Allah may forgive a major sin whether one repented from it or not. Even though the basis is that a major sin requires an actual act of repentance, it is within Allah’s power to forgive a slave who performs such an act even without him actually repenting. This is considered to be from Allah’s divine grace and favor.

The Meaning of the Narration in Question

The narration cited in the question is often used as proof by the scholars of Ahl al-Sunna that major sins may be forgiven even without repentance.

In his commentary on the narration in question, Imam Badr al-Din states that, “In it is a proof… that Allah may overlook major sins due to small acts of virtue as an act of divine favor from Him.” [`Umdat al-Qari] Similarly, Mulla `Ali al-Qari states, “In this narration is a proof for the forgiveness of a major sin without repentance and this is the position of the Ahl al-Sunna.” [Mirqat al-Mafatih]

The proof for the above position is also clear from the verse, “Allah does not forgive association of partners with Him and He forgives whatever is other than this for whomsoever He wills.” (4:48) Here, the particle “maa” (whatever) is considered general, including thereby both major and minor sins. Since there is no stipulated condition of such a forgiveness being after repentance in relation to a major sin, it is understood to mean that Allah may forgive any sin - including a major one before repentance - out of His pure grace and favor. [Baydawi, Anwar al-Tanzil; Razi, Tafsir al-Kabir]

This further serves as a refutation of certain groups who stated that Allah is necessitated to punish an individual who commits a major sin and does not repent from it.

As such, this narration is understood to be from the forgiveness of sins, including major sins, due to Allah’s grace and favor.

The Forgiveness of Major Sins

Based on the above, it can be stated that there are three ways in which a major sin can be forgiven:

a. By sincere repentance, which entails leaving the sin, remorse at performing it, and making the resolve to never perform it again. The scholars mention that in such a case one can be confident that his repentance has been accepted by Allah.

b. By Allah’s pure grace, generosity, and favor. Allah may therefore forgive whomsoever He wills without that individual having actually repented.

c. By the performance of certain acts, like Hajj, according to some scholars.

[Bajuri, Sharh al-Jawhara; Laqani, Hidayyat al-Murid]

And Allah Knows Best

Wassalam
Salman

does the hadith say it was a Muslim prostitute? yes??? no???

Muslims should actually know what shirk is, and i stress should; a non-Muslim doesn't have a clue.

enough?
 
That´s true too. Unfortunately our sense might be quite imperfect to understand many things and we try to replace truth by what we wish to be truth.
We can only follow God in the best way we know and understand ... and hope and trust that in his great mercy he will forgive our shortcomings and misunderstandings.
I also hope and trust that he will forgive my atheist friends their inability to believe in him.
 
@YusifNoor, brother, I hope you aren't referring to Shirk as a major sin - because as far as I know that is outright disbelief which will take one outside the fold of Islam - major sins are adultery, leaving fardh salah's knowing without any reason, alcohol etc
 
Every time I think I can't possibly become any more more suspicious of the phrase "politically correct" I hear someone utter it again...

I admit I may have missed something but I don't think I saw one single person here claim that "being good was everything". Planting doubt has nothing whatsoever to do with positively anything. We are simply stating our honest opinions. If you believe that anyone will be prevented from the path of Allah by a thread like this then you've got another thing coming. In fact if anything it's black-and-white, fire-and-brimstone attitudes like yours that actually turn people away. Do you really see it drawing people towards Islam? Really???

Since when is it thought that Muslims (Born and reverts) are doing a favor upon Allah (nauzobillah) by accepting Islam?

In-fact we are doing a favor upon ourselves.

The stocks of Islam aren't going to go up or down when people start accepting or leaving it.

I have already said this on my blog:

Islam doesn't need the numbers, remember once upon a time in history, 313 mostly poor Muslims were enough to uphold the truth while today nearly 1 billion Muslims aren't able to shake a feather. (Its in the about section)

And you haven't read my previous posts in this thread or at-least have not paid attention to them.

Abu Talib too helped the Prophet (pbuh), you know.

So I hope you understand brother.
 
The Aqidah of the Ahlus Sunnah on who will be punished in the inferno and for how long, as stated in the Quran, Hadith, Teachings of Sahaba, and the Ijma’ of the scholars:

1. Sinful Muslims of the Ahlus Sunnah – for a temporary period of time to chastise them of their sins.

2. Those ahlul bid’ah (people of innovation) of the Muslims whose beliefs were somewhat corrupt and misled, but NOT to the extent of them becoming kafir
– for a temporary period of time to chastise them of their sins and corrupt beliefs are a greater sin than corrupt actions.


3. ALL Kafirs – whether they are those Ahlul bid’ah whose beliefs became corrupt to the extent of them becoming Kafirs (like the Isma’ilis and Alevis for instance); or other kafirs like Christians, Jews, Atheists, Buddhists etc. who heard the Prophet’s name and his call to worship Allah alone – they shall stay in the inferno unceasingly, for ever, their punishment shall neither be lessened, nor shall they ever leave the inferno, there shall be NO intercessors for them either – the Quran says this in black and white.

We pray to Allah to grant us a life on Iman and a death on Iman, and to let us be benefitted by His Beloved Messenger’s intercession on the day of judgment. Aamiin bi hurmati Nabiyyihil ameen.


:wa:

:sl: Akhee

In the Aqidah of Ahlus Sunnah, what is the view regarding those who have not heard of the Prophet nor Islam?

For example, what is the view regarding one of those isolated tribes in the Amazon? those who are illiterate, indigenous and isolated.

Also regarding this Hadith;

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed:
By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me,
but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief),
he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire.
(Sahih Muslim)

We understand that this hadith is referring to the people of the book, but do you think that just hearing the Prophet's name, Muhammad :saws: is sufficient? or do they need to receive a sufficient Dawah on the Prophet and His Message?


Allah :swt: knows best.
 
@YusifNoor, brother, I hope you aren't referring to Shirk as a major sin - because as far as I know that is outright disbelief which will take one outside the fold of Islam - major sins are adultery, leaving fardh salah's knowing without any reason, alcohol etc

you know, y'all make me feel like Frank Zappa, which makes me want to pull a Miles Davis; when i'd rather be like Gene Kelly just a skippin' and slippin' down the streets and singin' in the rain! :alright:

now, i realize that my English can be a wee bit hard to follow [sorry, it goes back to my childhood. it was seen as a disability then, i just gave up caring ;D], and that English is a 2nd language to some folks here, so i expect that my posts will be ms-understood by more than a couple of folks...

but um...exactly where do you see me referencing shirk in that post? and while shirk IS referenced in the quote it says, and i quote:

Allah does not forgive association of partners with Him

i was kind of emphasizing, you know, the red bits, that i like, made like really bigger than the rest. i thought folks woulda caught that.

it's very simple you know. all you gotta do is...you know, follow the yellow brick, just follow the yellow brick road...

if i only had a brain...:wub:
 
Since when is it thought that Muslims (Born and reverts) are doing a favor upon Allah (nauzobillah) by accepting Islam?
Honestly, I don't know where you get some of the conclusions you draw from what others write. The brother above said nothing about doing Allah (swt) a favor when someone converts to Islam. What he was talking about was for us to invite others to Islam in the best way.
Islam doesn't need the numbers, remember once upon a time in history, 313 mostly poor Muslims were enough to uphold the truth while today nearly 1 billion Muslims aren't able to shake a feather.
I don't know where this attitude of "quality vs quantity" of Muslims comes in, but I have seen it portrayed by others. Who made us judge and jury to know the 'quality' of someone else's iman? Tell me, do you know for a fact the quality of your own iman and the purity of your own heart? My opinion is that none of us knows the sincerity of our innermost intentions or the state of our iman at our death. Are we guilty of some hidden shirk, such as showing off to be praised by others? If we are incapable of judging our own souls, then what does that say about our inability to judge someone else. I believe that we have a heavy responsibility to convey the message of Islam and to invite others to our blessed deen. This fact was illustrated from the earliest days of Islam and when delegates were sent out to the different rulers.
 
Indeed. I would like to add that there has never been a time, and never will be one (at least until the sun rises from the west), in which Islam doesn't need higher numbers. What kind of talk is that??! Until now, brother Urban, your attitude has merely been unpleasantly "us vs. them", but it hasn't actually been dangerous. Now it seems to be turning actively anti-dawah.
 
:wa:
:sl: Akhee

In the Aqidah of Ahlus Sunnah, what is the view regarding those who have not heard of the Prophet nor Islam?

For example, what is the view regarding one of those isolated tribes in the Amazon? those who are illiterate, indigenous and isolated.

Also regarding this Hadith;

It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed:
By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me,
but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief),
he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire.
(Sahih Muslim)



We understand that this hadith is referring to the people of the book, but do you think that just hearing the Prophet's name, Muhammad :saws: is sufficient? or do they need to receive a sufficient Dawah on the Prophet and His Message?


Allah :swt: knows best.

you know, y'all make me feel like Frank Zappa, which makes me want to pull a Miles Davis; when i'd rather be like Gene Kelly just a skippin' and slippin' down the streets and singin' in the rain! :alright:

now, i realize that my English can be a wee bit hard to follow [sorry, it goes back to my childhood. it was seen as a disability then, i just gave up caring ;D], and that English is a 2nd language to some folks here, so i expect that my posts will be ms-understood by more than a couple of folks...

but um...exactly where do you see me referencing shirk in that post? and while shirk IS referenced in the quote it says, and i quote:

i was kind of emphasizing, you know, the red bits, that i like, made like really bigger than the rest. i thought folks woulda caught that.

it's very simple you know. all you gotta do is...you know, follow the yellow brick, just follow the yellow brick road...

if i only had a brain...:wub:

Honestly, I don't know where you get some of the conclusions you draw from what others write. The brother above said nothing about doing Allah (swt) a favor when someone converts to Islam. What he was talking about was for us to invite others to Islam in the best way.

Then what does bro Zamzam mean by this
'In fact if anything it's black-and-white, fire-and-brimstone attitudes like yours that actually turn people away. Do you really see it drawing people towards Islam? Really???'

What makes him think what I said would turn people away from Islam?

I don't know where this attitude of "quality vs quantity" of Muslims comes in, but I have seen it portrayed by others. Who made us judge and jury to know the 'quality' of someone else's iman? Tell me, do you know for a fact the quality of your own iman and the purity of your own heart? My opinion is that none of us knows the sincerity of our innermost intentions or the state of our iman at our death. Are we guilty of some hidden shirk, such as showing off to be praised by others? If we are incapable of judging our own souls, then what does that say about our inability to judge someone else. I believe that we have a heavy responsibility to convey the message of Islam and to invite others to our blessed deen. This fact was illustrated from the earliest days of Islam and when delegates were sent out to the different rulers.

You said 'My opinion is that none of us knows the sincerity of our innermost intentions or the state of our iman at our death.' - Which is why we judge according to what is whats apparent,

What dawah are we talking about, for get the dawah for a moment and lets only concentrate on: 'Is Allah going to put non-muslims in heaven?'

I feel some people here are worried as to what the non-Muslims will think? What will they think what will they say?

I hope I'm wrong.
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@Al-Mufarridun, Yusuf, inshaAllah I'll get a Scholar to directly answer this. Even though I don't know what's there to answer except for Al-Muffaridun's post.
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"Sufficient dawah"? I'm sorry, is that a thing now?

Fire-and-brimstone attitudes in general never draw people towards any religion. Or at least not that I know of. What's that old saying about honey, vinegar and attracting flies?
 

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