Is God proud of His work?

[Great I am not]

Gossamer skye

I do not blame you for rejecting Christianity.
They are less than Islam at present in my eyes. The Jews have gained my respect since I have begun to speak on some sites. That was a surprise for me.

My blessing is that I know God to be evolving along with mankind. I see His perfection as an evolving perfection that began the moment he began to create and will continue forever.
The perfection time line for God's universe never ends. That means that here and now is as perfect as His systems can produce while getting better daily.

This means that His book and philosophy must also evolve along with God and us.

The Fundamental Christians have their WORD of God and You have your WORD of God.

God is not a stagnant never changing pool. His water flows always and is never stagnant. If those who idol worship a book never look for the changing God then over time all they will have is a book while others have a God. Unfortunately it might be a secular one.

God is the sum of His philosophy. Philosophy changes as new information comes to light.
If Religionists do not change with the times then we will lose in our efforts against the Secularists and I tell you that if we do lose then on a block near yours there will be gambling halls and hoar houses.

Regards
DL

 

[Great I am not]

Greetings


I don't think you have a minute understanding of Islam as you allege, it would have been obvious just from the minor things you throw out here and there..

all the best

I hope your right and my subconscious has retained more of what I read and heard of late.

Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

Gossamer skye

I do not blame you for rejecting Christianity.
They are less than Islam at present in my eyes. The Jews have gained my respect since I have begun to speak on some sites. That was a surprise for me.

My blessing is that I know God to be evolving along with mankind. I see His perfection as an evolving perfection that began the moment he began to create and will continue forever.
The perfection time line for God's universe never ends. That means that here and now is as perfect as His systems can produce while getting better daily.

This means that His book and philosophy must also evolve along with God and us.

The Fundamental Christians have their WORD of God and You have your WORD of God.

God is not a stagnant never changing pool. His water flows always and is never stagnant. If those who idol worship a book never look for the changing God then over time all they will have is a book while others have a God. Unfortunately it might be a secular one.

God is the sum of His philosophy. Philosophy changes as new information comes to light.
If Religionists do not change with the times then we will lose in our efforts against the Secularists and I tell you that if we do lose then on a block near yours there will be gambling halls and hoar houses.

Regards
DL

Have you read suret al-kahf
chapter 18?

it speaks of early christians...

[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:9] Or deemest thou that the People of the Cave and the Inscription are a wonder among Our portents?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:10] When the young men fled for refuge to the Cave and said: Our Lord! Give us mercy from Thy presence, and shape for us right conduct in our plight.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:11] Then We sealed up their hearing in the Cave for a number of years.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:12] And afterward We raised them up that We might know which of the two parties would best calculate the time that they had tarried.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:13] We narrate unto thee their story with truth. Lo! they were young men who believed in their Lord, and We increased them in guidance.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:14] And We made firm their hearts when they stood forth and said: Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. We cry unto no Allah beside Him, for then should we utter an enormity.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:15] These, our people, have chosen (other) gods beside Him though they bring no clear warrant (vouchsafed) to them. And who doth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie concerning Allah?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:16] And when ye withdraw from them and that which they worship except Allah, then seek refuge in the Cave; your Lord will spread for you of His mercy and will prepare for you a pillow in your plight.[/SIZE]

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Thus you are wrong to say, I don't believe in christianity, I just don't believe in the modern spin that makes gods of men, all these prophet that you purport come from different gods, came carrying the message of the same God.
and I believe that Islam is the message that has always been, and the message that will always be, until such a time God takes religion from this earth and leaves it to the lowliest of people.

God's law doesn't change, man's law changes.
if he decreed that you shall not eat pigs, then that is what it will be for Jews, christians and Muslims...

Anyhow, Islamic Jurisprudence is very expansive and you need to be schooled in it, the above is a mere example.. or you can purchase lectures if you wish to learn more on the matter:
http://www.its.org.uk/ilj.html

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[Great I am not]

Gossamer skye

"God's law doesn't change, man's law changes."
It appears to have changed after the great flood.---I will hurt man no more-paraphrase.

The fact that the laws of men change is good. it shows how we are part of evolution.

The same evolution that God began the moment He began creation.

We now live in an evolving perfection.
God, nor His perfect universe can back slide out of perfection. This is not allowed.


The Dignity of Man: An Islamic Perspective
I noted above that Muslims were slaves to Allah. How can a slave have dignity?

Freedom, Equality and Justice in Islam
The Right to Life, Security, Privacy and Ownership in Islam

How can a slave be free, be private and own anything when he does not own himself?


Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

"God's law doesn't change, man's law changes."
It appears to have changed after the great flood.---I will hurt man no more-paraphrase.'

God doesn't make mistakes, he feels no remorse and he is not after hurting me.. yet another downfall of the anthropomorphic god of your bible.. this weak, ineffectual god that has labile emotions, favors folks, unleashes his wrath on others, then decides he will die for them.. what is that all about?
All that is good if from God, all that is evil is from within ourselves...
You are after something that you're just not going to get here.. so you can waste your time 'evolving' the law.. that same law that made black people sit in the back of the bus, or have them as slaves on your plantation, have people's lives judged by 12 random idiots from the streets that are chosen for Jury duty, or let a child murderer and rapist go free after one year.. then you become a slave to this world, and to laws that you can't adjust to carry out actual justice, and it is all because you think you can do better.. but then how can I blame you? when god feels remorse, hurts men, prays to himself, self-immolates, or chooses a particular folk over others...

after all that, you can only think that you can do better than God or outdo God with non existing cleverness .. Then you have collapsed economies for even a sound economic system was given us, and you fall to ponzi schemes.. and go invading other people's lands and break off their strong empires steal their goods and rape their women, for your 'freedom fries, and 711 and hooters' and the whole world sinks down with you.... all because you are so evolved and you can do so much better-- other people are uncivilized.. surprisingly the very places you invade marked the rise of history, the birth place of civilization and religion. Abraham (P) was originally from Iraq (Haran) but you think your women with 750cc implants and pleather mini skirts are better and your processed food and your islamophobic pundits the stuff of the evolved civilized men, and then act so surprised that you are not well received, rather folks unleashing plagues of hatred and sickness upon the world!


indeed we are slaves to Allah swt, he has guardianship over us.. and that is what it means to be free, for he is our cherisher and sustainer as per Quran!


Anyhow, I have wasted enough time on the web yesterday on this thread and various others..

all that you need to know is in the Quran itself and in the books above, also may I recommend The History of Quranic Text by Dr. Al'Azami...

everything above and beyond this will be a waste of your time and even worse, my own..

good luck on your quest..

all the best

 

[Gubbleknucker]

For an omnipotent being, everything would be easy.
Even creating the universe would be no great accomplishment.

I don't feel pride for anything I do that is easy for me. Why would God?

 

[Gubbleknucker]

For an omnipotent being, everything would be easy.

I don't feel pride for anything I do that was easy for me. Why would God?

For God to feel pride, he would have to be a little god.

 

[Zafran]

what the???

 

[AntiKarateKid]

For an omnipotent being, everything would be easy.

I don't feel pride for anything I do that was easy for me. Why would God?

For God to feel pride, he would have to be a little god.

Pride is a human word that we use to describe Allah's disposition. Similarly, we use pleasure and anger of Allah to describe his actions because that is best we can do when trying to describe a being who is beyond our senses.

I feel pride in refuting your post, even though it was easy for me.

 

[Great I am not]

For an omnipotent being, everything would be easy.
Even creating the universe would be no great accomplishment.

I don't feel pride for anything I do that is easy for me. Why would God?

Do you not take pride in your children and parents, your spouse and accomplishments, a job well done?

Does God not take pride in His son?

Regards
DL

 

[Gubbleknucker]

Do you not take pride in your children and parents, your spouse and accomplishments, a job well done?

Yes, because they took effort to gain.

Does God not take pride in His son?

In Christianity, God is proud of Jesus's accomplishments, yes,

But that is a different sort of pride than "I am proud that I made this."

I make many things. The only ones I am proud of are the ones I had to work hard to create. I am far more proud of my origami three-headed dragons than I am of my origami rock.

An omnipotent being doesn't have to work hard to do anything. He would be incapable of the kind of pride I thought we were talking about.
To him the universe would be an origami rock.

 

[Great I am not]

Yes, because they took effort to gain.


In Christianity, God is proud of Jesus's accomplishments, yes,

But that is a different sort of pride than "I am proud that I made this."

I make many things. The only ones I am proud of are the ones I had to work hard to create. I am far more proud of my origami three-headed dragons than I am of my origami rock.

An omnipotent being doesn't have to work hard to do anything. He would be incapable of the kind of pride I thought we were talking about.
To him the universe would be an origami rock.

To recant is good.

Pride is pride.
In him I am well pleased.

You speak of another kind of pride but do not name it so lets stick with what we know.

Regards
DL

 

[Amadeus85]

The current problems of the world are caused by the people. It's the human beings who invented communism, national socialism, liberalism, liberal democracy, neo liberalism etc etc.

 

[Great I am not]

The current problems of the world are caused by the people. It's the human beings who invented communism, national socialism, liberalism, liberal democracy, neo liberalism etc etc.

I agree, freedom seeking men have done it all but think all of the above are better than living as slaves to a dictator or slave owner.

Do you prefer slavery or what kind of system would you like to see?
Is there any freedom of choice in it or is it all like the freedom that God gives. my way or hell forever. Not freedom at all but an ultimatum.


Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

if you wanted to be an engineer..
you'd have to go to engineering school and pass your exams.. and then be free to start your own company or join a group or whatever..

You can't dream it, and expect it as a birth right...
it makes no sense that you a dreamer be in the same category as folks who spent their life working hard and trying to better their lives.. maybe engineering doesn't matter to you all together, maybe you are content being a bus driver.. that is fine too, that is your choice..
It isn't an ultimatum.. it is a sensical path...


[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:29] Say: (It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve.

No ultimatum here!
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[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][Pickthal 53:29] Then withdraw from him who fleeth from Our remembrance and desireth but the life of the world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 53:30] Such is their sum of knowledge. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth, and He is Best Aware of him whom goeth right.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 53:31] And unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, that He may reward those who do evil with that which they have done, and reward those who do good with goodness.[/SIZE]


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thus one can safely conclude that if you desire to find your way, it is your free choice, again not an ultimatum.. and if you desire only the life of this world, then it is yours..
the book is sent for those who desire to meet with their lord..
There are no false pretenses..

however, how do you personally reconcile all that Jesus love with throwing children into hell?
see here:

http://www.naqatube.com/view_video....34959d797e1&page=1&viewtype=basic&category=rf

 

[Great I am not]

if you wanted to be an engineer..
you'd have to go to engineering school and pass your exams.. and then be free to start your own company or join a group or whatever..

You can't dream it, and expect it as a birth right...
it makes no sense that you a dreamer be in the same category as folks who spent their life working hard and trying to better their lives.. maybe engineering doesn't matter to you all together, maybe you are content being a bus driver.. that is fine too, that is your choice..
It isn't an ultimatum.. it is a sensical path...


[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 18:29] Say: (It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve.

No ultimatum here!
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[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][Pickthal 53:29] Then withdraw from him who fleeth from Our remembrance and desireth but the life of the world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 53:30] Such is their sum of knowledge. Lo! thy Lord is Best Aware of him who strayeth, and He is Best Aware of him whom goeth right.[[/URL]

Which of the two bests is His best?

Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

I almost regret having taken the time to reply to you...
go start your own religion, it seems a popular trend now a days.. or delude yourself with a loving god that will throw children in hell for not taking him for a god!

all the best

 

[Great I am not]

I almost regret having taken the time to reply to you...
go start your own religion, it seems a popular trend now a days.. or delude yourself with a loving god that will throw children in hell for not taking him for a god!

all the best

Oh my. Did I hit a nerve with a simple question?

Regards
DL

 

[جوري]

Oh my. Did I hit a nerve with a simple question?

Regards
DL

You are capable of many good non-questions indeed I hope I didn't give the impression that you are incapable of plastering words as good as anyone with Korsakoff's syndrome! probably a banana bag would take care of a few of your encephalopathic symptoms and the delusions of those after you by changing your name.

best of luck fellow!