Is there gender equality in Islam?

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Well then again, explain it to me logically, that God would send revelation but not tell us how to live as a nation?

So God just lets us be confused as to go about our daily dealings??

Once someone becomes spiritually wise, s/he will naturally live a good life, won't need to be forced to live in certain way...
 
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We also believe in living God's(swt) will and not what humans do.

Except there could be a difference between what you mean and what I am saying. You might be referring to the book as God's will and I am referring to things happen in daily life.

You would not practice polygamy regardless of what happens?

Hypothetical situations:

God(swt) sends the angel Gabriel down and specificaly tells you to become married to a certain man and it will be a polygamous relationship

I am sorry, not familiar with angel Gabriel. But I know God would never instruct me to have polygamous relationship...

there is final the ultimate Nuclear war. You 5 other women and a 90 year old man are the only survivors. It is obvious that in order for the human race to survive there will have to be as many children born as soon as possible. Since it takes 9 months for each one and it is doubtfull that the old guy will be around for very many 9 month waits it only makes since that each women has as many children as possible in the shortest time possible.

Granted, neither of those situations are likely to happen. But, never say you would never do or say anything until after your life has ended and you have passed all of the conditions of what will happen in your life time.

First of all how likely is it that there would be only 5 women and a man left in this world? But if it's God's will for human race to vanish, then let it be...
 
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Why should it not be brought in? It's relevant and it's a fact. - It's the reason it was compiled to show what it states, not to be kept in Sikh circles away from the world!

As you know, Guru Granth Sahib is too sacred for us. We don't parkash Guru Granth Sahib just about anywhere. Then why should we unnecessarily post what Guru Granth Sahib says here?
 
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You might be referring to the book as God's will and I am referring to things happen in daily life.

As a Muslim I believe all things happen in accordance with God's(swt) will. So we may be very similar in that view.
 
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Once someone becomes spiritually wise, s/he will naturally live a good life, won't need to be forced to live in certain way...

Yes but that does not respond to the rest of the people are not spiritually wise.

Your telling me God sent revelation and has left us no way to be civil with each other unles we all become spiritually wise.

You mean to tell me God thought we would all be spirtiaully wise but was mistake.

From my understanding this is like me saying to my kids,

Children, the house is under your control, but I will leave you no regulations and rulings but I expect you all to just be good, so I wont tell you the fire department's number, because I only expect you lot to be good and spiritually good​


So I wonder if child services would let such a person be a father.


I am sorry, not familiar with angel Gabriel. But I know God would never instruct me to have polygamous relationship...

How do you know? Because of your understandin which is shaped by society and other influences, is that understanding correct, well I wonder if your open minded enough to rationally test it.


I think cali is a little misinformed - It's true the Guru Granth is for the whole of humanity, but if we read with Sharda (devotion) you can find rules to lead a better spiritual life. It's not explicit, but it states those that want to seek the truth should read it. And the Hukamnams (orders) prove this.

No worries we all make mistakes.. I do too.

So wait, the Sikh religion does have what it claims to be divine rulings and regulation?
 
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As you know, Guru Granth Sahib is too sacred for us. We don't parkash Guru Granth Sahib just about anywhere. Then why should we unnecessarily post what Guru Granth Sahib says here?

Yes Khalsa ji, but Guru Nanak took the Bani all over the world. So it's our duty to educate others using verses to show the uniquness of Allahs message! - Nobody is drinking sharab or doing beahdbhi are they? It's the net! :smile:
 
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So wait, the Sikh religion does have what it claims to be divine rulings and regulation?[/COLOR][/B]

Read it and see what it holds! :smile: It's a message for al mankind. Stating what is acceptable by God!
 
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So, the point you raise is baseless, you expect the wife to earn money to take care of the husband? That is not how it works, the husband is the one who must take care of the wife

How repugnantly sexist. If the wife is more educated and has more opportunity for a better job and wants to work, there is no shame in the husband being a house husband and staying home to raise the kids and mind the house (like a traditional wife would do).

Imagine a woman doctor who earns a small fortune marries a male factory worker who earns minimum wage. It is fair to you that the man be required to provide for the woman and any offspring and the woman horde her entire fortune for herself?
 
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Between secular humanism and islam I don't see Islam having the upper hand. But between Islam and Christianity may be another story completely. And lets face it, atheists are the vast minority in the west. It is mostly Christians who make these claims about Islam being "sexist".

The bible clearly states that women are to honour and obey men as men are to honour and obey the Lord. Is there anything similar in the Quran?
 
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How repugnantly sexist. If the wife is more educated and has more opportunity for a better job and wants to work, there is no shame in the husband being a house husband and staying home to raise the kids and mind the house (like a traditional wife would do).

Imagine a woman doctor who earns a small fortune marries a male factory worker who earns minimum wage. It is fair to you that the man be required to provide for the woman and any offspring and the woman horde her entire fortune for herself?


Or how about the woman who gets married to a guy - they have kids, the guy runs off with another woman. And the woman has to lookafter the children herself, while the husband enjoys himself.


That's so common in society today, yet that's not sexist is it?
 
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Or how about the woman who gets married to a guy - they have kids, the guy runs off with another woman. And the woman has to lookafter the children herself, while the husband enjoys himself.


That's so common in society today, yet that's not sexist is it?

Meanwhile the husband is ordered to pay alimony and child support. And so is any man who simply LIVED with the woman and her children for a time and then left (even though the children are not his. What an insane provision in a law).

Husbands who run off and DON'T pay child support/alimony are known as "deadbeat dads", are frowned on by society, and are chased by the legal system.

If anything secular society has backlashed too strongly in the other direction. Women were very much opressed, and to some degree still are, in western society under Christian rule. But now there are a lot of nutty laws on the books blatantly sexist in the favour of women. This is a historical backlash though, and will likely subside after an adjustment period.
 
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First Mehla:
From woman, man is born; within woman, man is conceived; to woman he is engaged and married.
Woman becomes his friend; through woman, the future generations come.
When his woman dies, he seeks another woman; to woman he is bound.
So why call her bad? From her, kings are born.
From woman, woman is born; without woman, there would be no one at all.
O Nanak, only the True Lord is without a woman.
That mouth which praises the Lord continually is blessed and beautiful.
O Nanak, those faces shall be radiant in the Court of the True Lord. ||

This is why i am a Sikh. this is why i love my Guru.....

this is how high status and equal women are put in sikhi.. not to even mention what women have done for the sikh religion..
 
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Spiritual Status of Women

The Qur'an categorically states that men and women who practice the principle of Islam will receive equal reward for their efforts.

'Surely for men who submit to Allah and for women who submit to Allah, for believing men and for believing women , for devout men and devout women, for truthful men and truthful women, for steadfast men and steadfast women, for humble men and humble women, for charitable men and charitable women, for fasting men and fasting women, for men who guard their chastity and women who guard their chastity, for men who remember Allah much and for women who remember Allah much, for all of them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a mighty reward.'

At another juncture, Allah says, 'Whosoever performs good deeds, whether male or female and is a believer, We shall surely grant him a peaceful and tranquil life, and We will certainly reward them for the best of what they did.'

And yet another Aayat says, 'And whosoever does deeds of righteousness, whether male or female, and is a believer, they will enter Heaven and not the least injustice will be done to them.'

Each of the five pillars of Islam is as important for women as for men, and there is no differenciation in their reward.

Intellectual Status

The Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, 'The searching of knowledge is incumbent for every Muslim (male and female).'

Every boy or girl, man or woman should pursue his/her education as far as it is possible. One of the main aims of acquiring knowledge in Islam is to become Allah-conscious. In the history of Islam you will find that there were women who were narrators of Hadith, mystics, scholars, writers, poets and teachers, in their own right. They utilised their knowledge within certain precepts of Islam.

Look at Hadhrat Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha: her intellect and outstanding memory. More than two thousand Ahaadith are reported by her and she is regarded as one of the best teachers of Hadith. Shaykha Nafisa who was such a great authority on Hadith that Imaam Shaaf'ee (RA) sat in her circle. The famous mystic, Rabia al-Adawiyya (Basria) was also a woman.

There are numerous other women who are held in the highest respect by the Muslim world.

Relation Between Man and Wife

Allah Ta'ala says in the Noble Qur'an, 'And among His signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them,and He has put love and mercy between your hearts. Verily in it are signs for those who ponder.'

This is a very apt definition of the relationship between man and woman. They are not bound together only by a physical relationship but by love and mercy. This definition and description comprises mutual care, consideration, respect and affection.

The Qur'an states, 'They are garments for you and you are garments for them.'

As a garment gives protection, warmth, comfort and decency, so too a husband and wife offer each other intimacy, comfort and protection from committing adultery.

Rights and Obligations

The Holy Qur'an states, 'Men are maintainers of women with the bounties which Allah has bestowed more abundantly on some of them than others; and with what they may spend out of their possessions.'

Man has full responsibility for the maintenance of his family. This is not only a moral but also a Shari'ah obligation. The wife is responsible for the care of her home and welfare of her family. She may express her views and make suggestions on all matters but the best role she can play in keeping the marital free intact and strong is to recognise her husband as the person responsible for the running of the affairs of the family and to obey him even if his judgment is not acceptable to her provided he does not go beyond the bounds of Shari'ah. This is the meaning of obedience in the context of marriage in Islam. It is the recognition of the role of the husband as the head of the family unit.

The Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, 'The best woman is she who, when you look at her you feel pleased, and when you direct her she obeys. She protects your right and keeps her chastity when you are absent.'

Man is expected to show consideration to all women. The Islamic opinion is that a woman be spared from all struggles and worries so that she can give her full attention to the making of a home.

The Mothers Rights

The Holy Qur;an states, 'Don't even utter 'oh' before your parents!'

Hadhrat Abu Hurayra (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) says that a man asked the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), 'Who is worthier of my good treatment?' The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) replied, 'Your mother (which he repeated three times), then your father."

In another Hadith, the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) says, 'O people! listen! Allah Most High commands you to treat your mothers well. Listen again, that Allah Most High ordered you to be good to your mother, and thereafter to your father.'

The Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) also said, 'Paradise is beneath the feet of your mother.'

The Wife's Rights

The treatment expected from the husband, whether or not he is on good terms with his wife, is clearly laid down in the Qur'an.

Live with them in kindness, even if you dislike them, perhaps you dislike something in which Allah has placed much good.'

Even if divorce is decided upon, the good treatment referred to before is still required - The Qur'an says, 'Then keep them in all decency or part them decently. It is not lawful to take anything you have given them.'

The Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, 'O Muslims! I command you to behave well with your wives because woman has been created from the left rib of man. If you try to make it straight it will break, and if you allow to let it remain in its original condition, it will remain crooked. Obey my order and live a good life by treating your wives well.'

In another Hadith, it is mentioned, 'The best amongst you are those who are kindest to their wives.'

In another Hadith, 'The best charity is that, a man spends his money on his wife and children.'

Inheritance

Over fourteen hundred years ago, Islam made woman a share-holder in the wealth of her husband, father, brother, sons and daughters. When she is young, her father is responsible for her maintenance and after marriage her husband has to maintain her.

On the other hand the man has to bear the responsibility for himself, his wife and children and parents. This is why the man gets double the share of a woman in inheritance. He has much more responsibilities. Besides, in a way, the woman gets double advantage: as a daughter she gets a share in her father's wealth and as a wife in her husband's wealth also. It is therefore, worth pondering how minutely has Islam considered the differences between man and woman.
 
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How repugnantly sexist. If the wife is more educated and has more opportunity for a better job and wants to work, there is no shame in the husband being a house husband and staying home to raise the kids and mind the house (like a traditional wife would do).

Imagine a woman doctor who earns a small fortune marries a male factory worker who earns minimum wage. It is fair to you that the man be required to provide for the woman and any offspring and the woman horde her entire fortune for herself?

There is nothing sexist about it. That is how it works- division of responsibility. I didn't say that the wife can't give any money to help out, in fact, if she does, it is considered like she is giving charity, I just said no one can force her to do it.

In the scenario you mentioned, the wife obviously needs a lesson or to on what marriage is about. I can't imagine anyone being that selfish.
 
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I can't imagine anyone being that selfish.
Having a good job is selfish. But only for a woman, right?
 
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^^Dude, she was talking about this

It is fair to you that the man be required to provide for the woman and any offspring and the woman horde her entire fortune for herself?


Obivously it would be a great thing if she helps out her husband if such a scenario occurs.

I personally would love to live a simple life. The more materialistic stuff u get into the more problems. Buying things and then regretting it later when your trying to pay it off. It's not worth it. That is when your doing monthly bills etc.
 
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Between secular humanism and islam I don't see Islam having the upper hand. But between Islam and Christianity may be another story completely. And lets face it, atheists are the vast minority in the west. It is mostly Christians who make these claims about Islam being "sexist".

The bible clearly states that women are to honour and obey men as men are to honour and obey the Lord. Is there anything similar in the Quran?

Have you not read the 1st page? :rolleyes:
 
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How repugnantly sexist. If the wife is more educated and has more opportunity for a better job and wants to work, there is no shame in the husband being a house husband and staying home to raise the kids and mind the house (like a traditional wife would do).

Imagine a woman doctor who earns a small fortune marries a male factory worker who earns minimum wage. It is fair to you that the man be required to provide for the woman and any offspring and the woman horde her entire fortune for herself?


who says woman in islam can't have a better job and wants to work?

But in islam...that is her money (salary), she can do what she wants. She can choose not to provide. But if you are a wife, won't you help your husband?

The problem is here, Islam would not tolerate a husband is LAZY and doesn't wants to work and wants to stay home. Can you imagine what will happen to our economy if most of the guys opt to stay at home and not wanting to work.
 
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When the world nears to the end of days(Qayamat)... the % of women population will become twice as men....

this will suit men to have more than one wife.... but the otherway its ..%&$&$3..
 
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