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[Malaikah]

Im not sure what you mean by "Islamic perspective" as economics doesnt take religion into account, merely structural elements and feasability, which an Islamic state as imagined would lack.

Erm... then I take it you are unaware that Islam has a whole area of study about this kind of stuff? Laws and rules governing business transactions, money, taking loans, stuff like that?

The only thing I can really think of that can effect economy significantly is the strict prohibition of interest/usury. (Not that I have any knowledge about economics, from a secular or Islamic perspective).

Why do you think an Islamic state would lack that?

Islam is a lot more than just a 'religion', it is a complete way of life. It is also a lot more complex than what you seem to be assuming.

You might like to have a look at this, question and answers about commerce issues related to Islam:
http://islamtoday.com/show_sub_section.cfm?main_cat_id=5&sub_cat_id=0

 

[I_notGenerous]

Erm... then I take it you are unaware that Islam has a whole area of study about this kind of stuff? Laws and rules governing business transactions, money, taking loans, stuff like that?

Hii...that goes without saying la...but what has Islam got to do with the impact of poverty and wealth...if in a Muslim country where there are crisis or economic problems...that is the failure of the Muslims itself...nothing to do with the religion.:statisfie



Why do you think an Islamic state would lack that?

Islam is a lot more than just a 'religion', it is a complete way of life. It is also a lot more complex than what you seem to be assuming.

So, tell me la...what do you think? May I ask you again...why do you think an Islamic state would lack that?

 

[Isambard]

Erm... then I take it you are unaware that Islam has a whole area of study about this kind of stuff? Laws and rules governing business transactions, money, taking loans, stuff like that?

The only thing I can really think of that can effect economy significantly is the strict prohibition of interest/usury. (Not that I have any knowledge about economics, from a secular or Islamic perspective).

Why do you think an Islamic state would lack that?

Islam is a lot more than just a 'religion', it is a complete way of life. It is also a lot more complex than what you seem to be assuming.

You might like to have a look at this, question and answers about commerce issues related to Islam:
http://islamtoday.com/show_sub_section.cfm?main_cat_id=5&sub_cat_id=0

I have read over Islamic Law and political economics. Its stands at a stark contradiction of what Muslims which for a Caliphite state.

Without Interest, you would unable to kick-start, or slow-down an economy or smooth over the business cycles. This is deathly impt because unregulated business cycles have a habit of getting more erradic to the point where you get a total collapse (see Depression).

Seeing an Islamic economy would also encourage big gov't and spending, you would also start to see rising inflation, but again, without control on interest rates (or lack of them all together) it would just build up and get worse and worse.

There is also the issue of black markets, but that an enormous problem that requires other solutions.

Then there is the social problems, ie. non-muslims getting more rights outside of the state thus moving out. Youll start to get a major drain in terms of skilled labor etc.

Only way for an Islamic state to exist, is by small, very small in terms of power. It would most likely be poorer than Bolvia and weild te same sort of globo-political power. Most muslims imagine some sort of super-happy utopian state, simply put, thats impossible.

 

[Isambard]

Erm... then I take it you are unaware that Islam has a whole area of study about this kind of stuff? Laws and rules governing business transactions, money, taking loans, stuff like that?

Hii...that goes without saying la...but what has Islam got to do with the impact of poverty and wealth...if in a Muslim country where there are crisis or economic problems...that is the failure of the Muslims itself...nothing to do with the religion.:statisfie



Why do you think an Islamic state would lack that?

Islam is a lot more than just a 'religion', it is a complete way of life. It is also a lot more complex than what you seem to be assuming.

So, tell me la...what do you think? May I ask you again...why do you think an Islamic state would lack that?

Islamic Law is agaisnt interest and non-muslims being on completely equal terms with Muslims in terms of laws. If it didnt lack these things, then it wouldnt an Islamic state according to scholars.

 

[Malaikah]

Only way for an Islamic state to exist, is by small, very small in terms of power. It would most likely be poorer than Bolvia and weild te same sort of globo-political power. Most muslims imagine some sort of super-happy utopian state, simply put, thats impossible.

Yeh, right!laying: We will stick to more moral ways of making money without robbing it from people thank you very much.

I'm not economist so I'm not going to bother entering too deeply into this discussion.

(By the way, I recall reading somewhere that inflation is handled by the fact that the money has to real, not just paper money... umm I don't really know how to explain it, but it has something to do with the money loosing its connection with gold/silver).

 

[Isambard]

Yeh, right!laying: We will stick to more moral ways of making money without robbing it from people thank you very much.

I'm not economist so I'm not going to bother entering too deeply into this discussion.

(By the way, I recall reading somewhere that inflation is handled by the fact that the money has to real, not just paper money... umm I don't really know how to explain it, but it has something to do with the money loosing its connection with gold/silver).

That was back when countries used gold and silver standards which was gotten rid of during the 70s I believe. Now 'Real Money' turns into 'Paper money' because of inflation devaluing the currecy. Basically what costed 2$ three yrs ago now costs 5$. A major contributer of inflation is gov't spending as it introduces more money into the economy and oversupply devalues it.

Without interest rates you have no way to control this effectively. So you be a 'moral state' and a shining example, you just wont last very long as inflation eats you alive.

 

[Amadeus85]

Why do you think an Islamic state would lack that?

Islam is a lot more than just a 'religion', it is a complete way of life. It is also a lot more complex than what you seem to be assuming.

So, tell me la...what do you think? May I ask you again...why do you think an Islamic state would lack that?

I think that true islamic state is impossible with non muslim minority.In true islamic state all citizens should be muslims i think (maybe im wrong however). I also have a quesstion. Whats the difference between nowadays Saudi Arabia or Afhanistan under taliban and a true islamic state.

 

[tarek29]

I think that true islamic state is impossible with non muslim minority.In true islamic state all citizens should be Muslims I think (maybe im wrong however). I also have a quesstion. Whats the difference between nowadays Saudi Arabia or Afhanistan under taliban and a true islamic state.

Actually it is big question that needs a lot of knowledge in Sharia to talk in details but in General there is place for non Muslim Minority or even Majority inside Islamic Ummah!

To talk about examples about sharia now times I think this is not fair for Islam, we can talk about that when there will be one UMMAH caliphate that expresses the opinion of Majority of Muslims!

Mean time Muslims countires either under invasion or pressure etc....

Also we don’t know really what is happening in Afghanistan, for example they say that it were forbidden for girls to learn in schools during the rule of Taliban!

And this is what the Media keep saying, I heard once one of Arabs who were in Afghanistan say in El Jazeera that they didnt have enough money to teach boys and thats why girls were little in schools, so who we should believe!?

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace

 

[Md Mashud]

I think that true islamic state is impossible with non muslim minority.In true islamic state all citizens should be muslims i think (maybe im wrong however). I also have a quesstion. Whats the difference between nowadays Saudi Arabia or Afhanistan under taliban and a true islamic state.

Dear God, Saudi Arabia/Taliban are far off Islamic sharia-_-... Also, non-muslims are allowed to live under islamic states, it was done so in the past, during the crusaded, for example.

 

[wilberhum]

Dear God, Saudi Arabia/Taliban are far off Islamic sharia-_-... Also, non-muslims are allowed to live under islamic states, it was done so in the past, during the crusaded, for example.

Non-Muslims are allowed to live under Islamic states as second or third class citizens.

Granted that was better than Muslims got from the Christians.
Usually the Muslims weren’t allowed to live.

But don’t mistake it as anything the vast majority of non-Muslim living in a Democracy would want.

 

[bewildred]

Hi wilber,

I agree with your signature but not with the statements you made.

I think that there's nothing nor no one who's gonna succeed to change your so very clichéed and stereotyped opinions on the Islamic societies (LOOK AT MY AVATAR)


Bewildred S.

 

[wilberhum]

Hi wilber,

I agree with your signature but not with the statements you made.

I think that there's nothing nor no one who's gonna succeed to change your so very clichéed and stereotyped opinions on the Islamic societies (LOOK AT MY AVATAR)


Bewildred S.

Not wanting to stur up a mud slinging contest, I'm going to send you a PM.
I would love to here something back from you showing that non-Muslims were not second class citizens.

Any one who would like to see it can PM me.

PS: It's isn't anti-Islamic, it is just historical facts.

 

[Amadeus85]

Dear God, Saudi Arabia/Taliban are far off Islamic sharia-_-...

What are the main differences? Dont Saudis have full sharia law established, just like taliban in Afghanistan had?

 

[Woodrow]

What are the main differences? Dont Saudis have full sharia law established, just like taliban in Afghanistan had?

From anybody who as ever been in Saudi, you will get no as an answer. Although there are some parts of Saudi that are close to having sharia law. but, some of the large cities are more like New York than what you would expect to find in a Muslim country.

 

[جوري]

I have lived in Saudi Arabia for four years...
a monarchy isn't a khilfaha or runs by sharia law...
Don't you get tired of explaining things to people WHO DON'T WANT TO GET IT? what is the point of this topic? they hate Islam and sharia law.. fine, no one is sticking a gun to their head.. however, and what concerns me most is nipping any effort to get the Muslim world to unite and have a khalifite system, the likes we have seen under the Abbasids, Fatimids the Umayyads, Andalusia or even the Ottomans...

He (S.A.W.) said: "The prophet-hood will last as long as Allah (S.W.T.) is willing, then he will lift it. Then, a rightly guided Khilafah will be according to the prophet’s way and will last as long as Allah is willing, then Allah will lift it. Then, there will be a hereditary power that will last as long as Allah is willing, then Allah will lift it. Then, there will be dictatorships that will last as long as Allah is willing, then Allah will lift it. Then, there will be a Khilafah according to the prophet’s way. The prophet, then fell silent." {Authentic Hadith reported by Imams Ahmad, Al-Bazar and At-Tabrani.}

I think the Hadith of the prophet has happened and continues to happen... until it is the will of Allah that it be lifted.. with that I hope this topic is closed insha'Allah in observance of Ramadan and out of respect for the sanctity of the Muslim Empire..

 

[Woodrow]

agreed this has gone way far from the original topic and is no longer a peaceful thread.