israel is attacking a whole city for one zionist criminal soldier!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[muslim_friend]

Palestinians occupy the Holy Land which hard evidence states the Jews lived there thousands of years before Islam.

So what? So what? The Jews weren't the first occupants of the land. look at America. America was owned by the red Indians, and when the europeans arrived on the mayflower, they massacred all of them.

BTW, jews and muslims DID live in peace in jerusalem, until greed took over. When muslims ruled that land, not a church or temple was ordered to be destroyed..

 

[muslim_friend]

Most religions pray for peace.... Most people pray for peace...

You pray for destruction and death. I know all I need to know about you and your beliefs.

Don't get me wrong please. i pray for peace in this life. I pray for Justice in the next.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

BTW, jews and muslims DID live in peace in jerusalem, until greed took over. When muslims ruled that land, not a church or temple was ordered to be destroyed..

That's true.

From Dr. Habib Siddiqui:

Scores of Jewish scholars and historians can be cited, including Ben-Sasson[27] and Abba Eban[28] to prove him unreliable, hostile and lying.

Let me quote from the scholarly work, A History of the Jewish People, edited by Haim Hillel Ben-Sasson (Harvard University Press, 1976), an Israeli historian:

"The height of magnificence and luxury was reached by the wealthy Jews in the lands of Islam, particularly in Moslem Spain. We know that the court bankers of Baghdad in the tenth century kept open house for numerous guests and for the poor. Similarly, the ceremonies of the Jewish leaders in Babylonia [Iraq] and the patronage of the leading Jews in Moslem Spain, indicate conditions of ease and plenty.

"The attitude toward these non-Moslems in the Islamic territories was shaped in principle in accordance with the concept of dhimma, meaning protection granted to them by agreement or treaty… In return, their lives and property were protected and, in accordance with the general attitude of Islam to infidels, they were assured liberty of faith and worship. They were also permitted to organize themselves as they wished, and the Jews fully availed themselves of that permission.

"From the Jewish viewpoint, this conglomerate of Moslem attitudes to infidels was easier to live with than the one that had been established by Christianity, particularly in the Byzantine Empire. As we have noted above, for hundreds of years the overwhelming majority of Jews lived in the Islamic territories. Although it is possible to perceive some Christian impact on the Moslem attitude towards non-believers and even towards the Christians themselves, the moderation with which the Moslems applied this influence proved to be of great importance to the majority of Jewry over a long period. Unlike the masses of Christians and pagans who joined the Moslems over the first half century or so, the overwhelming majority of the Jews under Moslem rule held firmly to their own faith."[29]​

As to the settlement and economic activity in the 16th and 17th centuries and the establishment of the Sephardic Diaspora in the Ottoman Empire, the above book states:

"A considerable stream of exiles from Spain overflowed into the Ottoman Empire. Once the latter had annexed Erez Yisrael, it became a lodestone for Marranos who wished to repent and return to their former faith…. The sultan at the time of the expulsion, Bayezid, welcomed the refugees fleeing from the fanatical Christians. As recorded by a Jewish contemporary ‘the Sultan sent men ahead, and spread the word through his kingdom in writing as well, declaring that none of his officers in any of his cities dare to drive the Jews out or expel them, but all of them were to welcome the Jews cordially.’ It can be assumed that this imperial protection and the order granting right of domicile were issued through the influence of the leaders of the long-established Jewish community in the Ottoman Empire… Success was not restricted exclusively to medical and court circles. It seems that in the Ottoman Empire it was felt that the absorption of the exiles from the West provided social, cultural and even military advantages… The exiles gradually dispersed throughout the main cities of the Empire. Many synagogues were to be found in Constantinople during the sixteenth century. In this city they settled in quarters where Jews had not formerly resided. Salonika also became one of their main centres, and similarly Adrianople and Smyrna (Izmir). The exiles also established themselves in smaller cities. Expulsions from southern Italy helped to diversify the Jewish community and increase the various congregations in the Empire."[30]​

​

What is clear is that historically the relationship between Jews and Muslims living under Muslim Sultans was rather amicable and, that even in places like Palestine, Muslim people did not have any problem with Jews living there. The relationship soured only after the Balfour Declaration (1917) when the British allowed European Jews to colonize Palestine.[31]
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[27] A History of the Jewish People, edited by Haim Hillel Ben-Sasson.
[28] Heritage: Civilization and the Jews by Abba Eban.
[29] For a brief review of the book, see: http://www.muhajabah.com/jewsofislam.htm
[30] op. cit., pp. 631-3
[31] See this author’s article: The Case of Jerusalem – for a detailed treatment of the holy city.​

 

[Vishnu]

Israeli-Muslims are given full rights in Israel to pray and worship whoever they want. There are Muslims in Israel who serve in the Knesset(Israel's congress) and many Muslims chose to fight for Israel.

 

[HeiGou]

The west are hypocrites when it comes to zionist terror aka irealy state terror. why is it ok when the kill an innocent family but when a palestinan blows up an army chekpoint thye are seen as terrorist. hyppocrites, hyppocrites and DOUBLE STANDARDS.

That is not true. The Western legal and moral tradition does not allow any equating of States with individuals. States can do far more than individuals can. War is by definition a monopoly of the State - only a legitimate State can wage a Just War. No individual or sub-state group can. Ever. So the West is very consistent, well mostly consistent: Israel, as a State, has the right and duty to maintain law and order. Private citizen, under NO circumstances, may do the same. That is terrorism. The West does not complain when the Israeli Army kills people, or at least does not call it terrorism. Nor do they when the Iranian Army kills people.

 

[Nablus]

Palestinians occupy the Holy Land which hard evidence states the Jews lived there thousands of years before Islam.

what is the source of ur information?!!!

Israel gatherd most of the jews in the world means that israel doesnt have a right in Palestine

u can see Belfore promise in 1914




On the 2nd of November of 1917 the British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Lord Rothschild Belfort to read this book :

" The Ministry of Foreign Affairs

2 November 1917 m

Dear Lord "Rochld"

I am very pleased to inform you on behalf of the government of His Majesty the following statement, which is sympathetic to the aspirations of the Jews and Zionism. It was presented to and approved by the ministry :

"The government of His Majesty consider favourably to the establishment of a national homeland of the Jewish people in Palestine. It will do its utmost to facilitate the achievement of this end, to be understood clearly that it will not yield an action would undermine the civil and religious rights enjoyed by non-Jewish communities living in Palestine, No rights or political status enjoyed by Jews in other countries.

I would be grateful if you union bodies note of the Zionist state. "

Faithful

Arthur Belfort

 

[Vishnu]

You must be kidding. Jews were living in Israel way before Islam. The Historical documents of the Romans, Greeks, Egyptions, Babylonians ect... all prove that the Jews were in the Holy Land. This was at a time when there was no Islam. It is compltley recorded by history that the Jews were living in Israel thousands of years before Islam.

 

[Fishman]

If Jews are allowed a state in their ancestral and spiritual homeland, what about the native Americans?

 

[Vishnu]

If Jews are allowed a state in their ancestral and spiritual homeland, what about the native Americans?

The Native Americans should do what the Jews did and take back there homeland. It is there rightful land just like its the Jews rightful land.

Check out the millions of tablets and reports about the Jews living in the Holy Land by the Greeks, Egyptions, Romans, and Babylon. There is no mention of 'Palestinians'.... there were nothing but Jews in the Holy Land before Islam came.

 

[limitless]

You must be kidding. Jews were living in Israel way before Islam. The Historical documents of the Romans, Greeks, Egyptions, Babylonians ect... all prove that the Jews were in the Holy Land. This was at a time when there was no Islam. It is compltley recorded by history that the Jews were living in Israel thousands of years before Islam.

I believe that Jews were like muslims today, before any of this happened. They worshiped one God, Allah and etc, I am not sure about much details but as to my knowledge they were until a certain point they just didn't and then islam was born. So it is like islam before islam was born. Can anyone clearify this (muslim sister or brother only). Hence, in sense you are wrong . My Allah help those palestine people, give them strength to bare this much pain and help them, ameen.

 

[limitless]

The Native Americans should do what the Jews did and take back there homeland. It is there rightful land just like its the Jews rightful land.

Check out the millions of tablets and reports about the Jews living in the Holy Land by the Greeks, Egyptions, Romans, and Babylon. There is no mention of 'Palestinians'.... there were nothing but Jews in the Holy Land before Islam came.

You need to relax, by reading your posts, you are flaming out as if you dislike islam. Calm down and think before you post. Don't let the anger get to you.

 

[Vishnu]

I believe that Jews were like muslims today, before any of this happened. They worshiped one God, Allah and etc, I am not sure about much details but as to my knowledge they were until a certain point they just didn't and then islam was born. So it is like islam before islam was born. Can anyone clearify this (muslim sister or brother only). Hence, in sense you are wrong . My Allah help those palestine people, give them strength to bare this much pain and help them, ameen.

The Jews before Islam was born worshiped one God, and held the same traditions they hold today. Including the tradition that the Torah is the holiest of scriptrues and no prophet of God would ever say otherwise. Islam was born in Saudi Arabia not the Holy Land, and Islam does not regard the Torah as holy.

You need to relax, by reading your posts, you are flaming out as if you dislike islam. Calm down and think before you post. Don't let the anger get to you

Look at the posts that I respond to like Lammagad. I match her intensity with intensity. lol. I don't hate Islam. I hate extremism.

 

[Geronimo]

So what? So what? The Jews weren't the first occupants of the land. look at America. America was owned by the red Indians, and when the europeans arrived on the mayflower, they massacred all of them.

BTW, jews and muslims DID live in peace in jerusalem, until greed took over. When muslims ruled that land, not a church or temple was ordered to be destroyed..

You do realize that it wasn't all onesided in America right? That a lot of tribes ran raiding parties against the white mean mutilating tons of women and children. That in almost every war the US has fought on it's continent the Idians sided against the Americans from the French and Indian war(actually against the British) to the Mexican American war.

 

[Geronimo]

what is the source of ur information?!!!

Israel gatherd most of the jews in the world means that israel doesnt have a right in Palestine

u can see Belfore promise in 1914




On the 2nd of November of 1917 the British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Lord Rothschild Belfort to read this book :

" The Ministry of Foreign Affairs

2 November 1917 m

Dear Lord "Rochld"

I am very pleased to inform you on behalf of the government of His Majesty the following statement, which is sympathetic to the aspirations of the Jews and Zionism. It was presented to and approved by the ministry :

"The government of His Majesty consider favourably to the establishment of a national homeland of the Jewish people in Palestine. It will do its utmost to facilitate the achievement of this end, to be understood clearly that it will not yield an action would undermine the civil and religious rights enjoyed by non-Jewish communities living in Palestine, No rights or political status enjoyed by Jews in other countries.

I would be grateful if you union bodies note of the Zionist state. "

Faithful

Arthur Belfort

You gotta go back a little farther than that.

Around 1025 BC, the children of the patriarch Jacob (Israel) united to form the Kingdom of Israel. Saul was the first King of Israel. He unified the tribes under a single Israelite authority, but, according to the first book of Samuel, due to his disobedience to God, he ruled for only two years, although some manuscripts read forty-two years (cf. the New Testament, which gives him a reign of forty years). The original figure, based on the number of battles ascribed to him, was probably twenty-two years, and has become corrupt (Finkelstein and Silberman, 2006).

 

[Geronimo]

If Jews are allowed a state in their ancestral and spiritual homeland, what about the native Americans?

Isn't that the Pal arguement? If Israel can't have the Holy Land why should the Pals be able to?

 

[Nablus]

The Historical documents of the Romans, Greeks

where are the documents?!!!! u r kidding

the claim of zionism

afew jews were lived in palestine during Othoman Age u can see the documents

Palestine is the cradle for the three great monotheistic religions Islam ,Christianity, and Judiasm

so its a cradle but the number of the jews at that time was very few

 

[HeiGou]

Palestine is the cradle for the three great monotheistic religions Islam ,Christianity, and Judiasm

so its a cradle but the number of the jews at that time was very few

Strictly speaking it was the cradle for two great monotheistic religions: Judaism and Christianity. Islam had its cradle down near Mecca.

 

[Panatella]

The people of Israel were there long before islam existed.

 

[Nablus]

Around 1025 BC, the children of the patriarch Jacob (Israel) united to form the Kingdom of Israel. Saul was the first King of Israel. He unified the tribes under a single Israelite authority, but, according to the first book of Samuel, due to his disobedience to God, he ruled for only two years, although some manuscripts read forty-two years (cf. the New Testament, which gives him a reign of forty years). The original figure, based on the number of battles ascribed to him, was probably twenty-two years, and has become corrupt (Finkelstein and Silberman, 2006).

what about Belfor promised? was it alie


u can return to the british documents in 1917

 

[Geronimo]

Strictly speaking it was the cradle for two great monotheistic religions: Judaism and Christianity. Islam had its cradle down near Mecca.

He must have missed my post were I showed that the Kingdom of Israel goes back to 1052 BC.