Jesus thought JIHAD

[Eric H]

Blessings and peace be with you May Ayob;
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Jesus did not carry a sword, if you read the following it says that a companion of Jesus cut of the ear. It also says that Jesus reprimanded the swordsman, and Jesus then healed the ear that was cut off.

Luke 22.
49 When Jesus’ followers saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, should we strike with our swords?” 50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear.
51 But Jesus answered, “No more of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.

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And in Mathew 26, it gives another account of the same story.
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Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. 51 With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.
52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

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In the spirit of searching for justice for all people,
Eric

 

[M.I.A.]

so what will happen in the days after death has been removed from the people?

will we still go around with swords and guns in a world similar to a zombie movie?

the post about spiritual swords made me lol, it makes more sense to me than a world of physical swords.. thats not the chicken in me talking.

 

[Insecured soul]

The Prophet himself (saws) said that the greatest jihad is the jihad of self, and it is one that I fight every day.

Do you have any textual reference for that?

 

[Who Am I?]

Do you have any textual reference for that?

I know I read it in a book somewhere that I've read recently. I can't remember which one, but I'll get back to you on that. Forgive me, but it's late and I am tired. But I will find that reference somewhere.

 

[Riana17]

My dear sis Riana17
I understand , I know what you mean If people aren't going to change their minds about Islam and going to be stuck in their pre-conceived stereotypes about Islam why should I bother explain and why not give them a similar sentiment in their own religion.. Believe I know what you mean.. But the Prophet peace and Blessings be upon him said: If one of you had a plant in his/her hands and Judgement day arrived then still let him/her plant it. Even if you think it's not worth it , they'll never understand and all these things you should still say what has to be said even if you think no one will listen, you never know.

Don't get angry, anger is a strong negative feeling.. what's their to be angry of? Just because some people don't want to change their minds about what you are preaching doesn't mean you should ever get angry or loose hope.You did your Job and the rest is up to God and them. Have trust in Allah , May Allah protect you from all the evils of this world

I'm sorry if I seemed harsh on you because I didn't intent to do so.

Salaam and Ramadhan Kareem

Salam

I better be mad, prophet Muhammad said being angry is normal, but if one can control he/she will be rewarded.

I am getting really mad only with proud and people who do not respect other's view, I am sorry I am just too blunt

I have a belief, I think before I give advise I must look at myself first and also, PEOPLE doesnt like unwanted advise.

Greetings to you too

 

[Ramadhan]

Don't misunderstand me, brother. There are times when war is necessary, such as the example that you used above. But for most people, I would say that jihad of self is most-important. If you cannot conquer yourself and fight against your own worldly desires and temptations, how can you fight and win against anyone else?

You also misunderstood me I think. As I said, when it comes to deen, we must base on Qur'an and sunnah and should not follow our own opinions/desires (which by the way, is also related to "jihad against nafs")
Rasulullah SAW prescribed different "greater jihad" to different people in different situation. "jihad against nafs" is one of those, but it does not mean it is the greatest jihad for everyone.
I don't have time to look up all ahadeeths that are related to jihad, but on top of my head: the jihad for wives are different, going on hajj is greatest jihad for some people, etc.

 

[Ramadhan]

Here, I found some:

Aisha, wife of the Prophet(S) asked, "O Messenger of Allah, we see jihad as the best of deeds, so shouldn't we join it?" He replied, "But, the best of jihad is a perfect hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah)." Sahih Al-Bukhari #2784

That was best jihad prescribed to Aisha (ra) in her situation.

At another occasion a man asked the Prophet Muhammad(S):
"Should I join the jihad?" He asked, "Do you have parents?" The man said, "Yes!" The Prophet(S) said, "then strive by (serving) them!" Sahih Al-Bukhari #5972

Yet another man asked the Messenger of Allah: "What kind of jihad is better?" He replied, "A word of truth in front of an oppressive ruler!" Sunan Al-Nasa'i #4209

The Messenger of Allah, Muhammad(S) said:
"... the mujahid (one who carries out jihad) is he who strives against himself for the sake of obeying Allah, and the muhajir (one who emigrates) is he who abandons evil deeds and sin." Sahih Ibn Hibban #4862

"And those who, when an oppressive wrong is inflicted on them, (are not cowed but) fight back." QS. 42:39 To gain this freedom, Prophet Muhammad(S) said: "Strive (jahidu) against the disbelievers with your hands and tongues." Sahih Ibn Hibban #4708

 

[M.I.A.]

You also misunderstood me I think. As I said, when it comes to deen, we must base on Qur'an and sunnah and should not follow our own opinions/desires (which by the way, is also related to "jihad against nafs")
Rasulullah SAW prescribed different "greater jihad" to different people in different situation. "jihad against nafs" is one of those, but it does not mean it is the greatest jihad for everyone.
I don't have time to look up all ahadeeths that are related to jihad, but on top of my head: the jihad for wives are different, going on hajj is greatest jihad for some people, etc.

yes looking back at the post about purse and garments i can understand that.

 

[May Ayob]

I have a belief, I think before I give advise I must look at myself first and also, PEOPLE doesnt like unwanted advise.

Then I'm sorry and Please accept my deepest apologies for interrupting this thread, I don't want to make anyone hurt or offended because it's Ramadhan soon and I will God willing keep my advice to myself , I probably need it more than anyone.

Thank you for your tolerance
There you go , I deleted all my posts and insha'Allah I promise you this will be the last time you hear from me
Salaam Peace Mercy and Greetings be with you

 

[MustafaMc]

Jesus is quoted in the Bible as saying:

Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Luke 22:36 "And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."

 

[Riana17]

Then I'm sorry and Please accept my deepest apologies for interrupting this thread, I don't want to make anyone hurt or offended because it's Ramadhan soon and I will God willing keep my advice to myself , I probably need it more than anyone.

Thank you for your tolerance

Salaam Peace Mercy and Greetings be with you

Salam Alaikkum
it is fine with me, I dont keep things in my heart. I can be mad for moment or hour but dontworry I dont want anything bad to anyone

But I hope you agree with me that its not nice to tell people what to do, what is correct and not.

Salam

 

[May Ayob]

Salaam sister Riana17
I'm sorry but I don't understand; what makes you think I'm proud and don't respect other people's opinion?
All I said is that Jesus PBUH called for Peace and Mercy Love and Forgiveness
I said it's not like Prophet Jesus PBUH to say this, Is this Pride?

I also said; that you becoming angry will not do you or anyone any good.
Is me caring about your health and well-being considered to be pride?

I honestly don't understand why there are many members in this board that have such a terrible impression about me

Salaam

 

[Amigo]

God does not approuve of violence.
From the beginning, He told Cain that no wise person would go the way of vengeance, for a confirmed killer knows nothing but killing and will only multiply murder, until someone goes sabbatical.

15 And the Lord said to him: No, it shall not so be: but whosoever shall kill Cain, shall be punished sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, that whosoever found him should not kill him

Of course even today, there are many who still don't understand this warning...
However, even by the seventh generation from Cain, someone understood what it meant, but a curse is a curse and so he boasts instead of regreating....

23 And Lamech said to his wives Ada and Sella: Hear my voice, you wives of Lamech, hearken to my speech: for I have slain a man to the wounding of myself, and a stripling to my own bruising. 24 Sevenfold vengeance shall be taken for Cain: but for Lamech seventy times sevenfold.

God had tried to spare Cain and his descendents from ridicule...but sometimes, humans are just bound to make the journey and prouve themselves....
Jesus also tried to spare his disciples from self-ridicule. So as they were all passionately trying to comfort him and showing him all kind of support; him, being Prophet, knew what they were going to do. So he started telling them the future, perhaps in hope that they would save their breath with their empty comforting words/gestures...but they all went ahead, and did what he was predicting.
Yes, I am speaking about that chapter 22 of Luke and similar. He even told those who carried swords (dispite his clear teaching) that they were about to cause him to be counted among the wicked (fulfilling a prophecy- Luke 22:37), but the message clearly didn't get through. Later, he had to restore someone's ear after it was cutt off by one of the swords.

Now, I believe those who wrote those stories down, were trying to spare the reader sfrom going that way. They even took care to include the extra reprimand from Jesus (Matthew 26:52). Sadly enough, many followers of Christ don't get the memo.
Well this thread has been rolling like Luke 22, as Jesus said: "it is enough"-Luke 22:38

This is my humble propositions on Jesus teaching on violence and all misguided agressivity:
For a summary of Jesus message on violence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_Nz6y_nreU
For some details on Christian teaching against violence: http://www.vatican.va/edocs/ENG0141/_INDEX.HTM

God bless you

 

[Riana17]

Salaam sister Riana17
I'm sorry but I don't understand; what makes you think I'm proud and don't respect other people's opinion?
All I said is that Jesus PBUH called for Peace and Mercy Love and Forgiveness
I said it's not like Prophet Jesus PBUH to say this, Is this Pride?

I also said; that you becoming angry will not do you or anyone any good.
Is me caring about your health and well-being considered to be pride?

I honestly don't understand why there are many members in this board that have such a terrible impression about me

Salaam

Salam Sister, you've deleted all your post, I dont like to recall bad memories but I want you to pls understand that I get sad & kinda of,, hmm yes mad,, when you are sounding that my post was a big error and I should do this and that, when you didnt hear my side first. I think if you say, "Riana how did you come up with the idea that what you posted is kind of Jihad and so on?"

I dont know about others, pls dont be hard on yourself, we are all having mistakes. I have mentioned I have issue with getting mad quickly sometime and I know I should have patience but I am still working on it. I hope that there is magic but oh well, sad story, it needs time and lots of fasting for me to have better patience.

Salam and Ramadan Mubarak, and i didnt intend to make you feel down, really when I feel bad I have to say it or else I would feel my heart would explode and that's not healthy.

Originally Posted by May Ayob
Salaam Riana17

Well , I don't think this is a good answer to anyone who asks about Jihad, And the above verse is not Jihad.
Jihad Means to struggle and strive and face uncomfortable circumstances in the Cause of God it does not necessarily have to be war.
The above verse promotes killing of enemies and it's contradicts to the teachings of Jesus(P) of Loving your enemies and Praying for those who persecute you. I think the next time anyone asks what Jihad is you should recommend them to ask an Islamic scholar and not any Muslim to not get the wrong idea of what Jihad truly means.

 

[Pygoscelis]

God does not approve of violence.

Um.... you would have to ignore a LOT of the Bible to come to that conclusion. All throughout the bible God practices violence, ordains violence, and commands violence. He even goes so far to do genocide (Noah's flood) and command genocide (neighbouring tribes of Israel). Jesus himself is a violent human sacrifice that God ordains to be the only way to cleanse man of sin.

You may be able to explain the violence as justifiable, but you can't get away with saying Bible God does not approve of violence, because the opposite is often true.

 

[Who Am I?]

You also misunderstood me I think. As I said, when it comes to deen, we must base on Qur'an and sunnah and should not follow our own opinions/desires (which by the way, is also related to "jihad against nafs")
Rasulullah SAW prescribed different "greater jihad" to different people in different situation. "jihad against nafs" is one of those, but it does not mean it is the greatest jihad for everyone.
I don't have time to look up all ahadeeths that are related to jihad, but on top of my head: the jihad for wives are different, going on hajj is greatest jihad for some people, etc.

:wa:

Yeah I was looking through my copy of the Hadith last night before bed in the Book of Jihad and it does seem like different jihads are given more precedence based on the situation.

For me, Jihad of Self is greatest. I am no warrior.

Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Also in that same passage:

35 For I have come to turn a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.
37 Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.
40 Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

I've always interpreted those verses to mean that Jesus would divide families with his message. I never really thought it was a literal sword. Religion has divided people since the beginning of history and will continue to do so.

 

[May Ayob]

Well , I don't think this is a good answer to anyone who asks about Jihad, And the above verse is not Jihad

I think the next time anyone asks what Jihad is you should recommend them to ask an Islamic scholar and not any Muslim to not get the wrong idea of what Jihad truly means.

Now I found my fault! Thank you , I'm sorry I didn't know that would hurt you
Please accept my apologies

Friends??

 

[M.I.A.]

Um.... you would have to ignore a LOT of the Bible to come to that conclusion. All throughout the bible God practices violence, ordains violence, and commands violence. He even goes so far to do genocide (Noah's flood) and command genocide (neighbouring tribes of Israel). Jesus himself is a violent human sacrifice that God ordains to be the only way to cleanse man of sin.

You may be able to explain the violence as justifiable, but you can't get away with saying Bible God does not approve of violence, because the opposite is often true.

violence is due to transgression against gods words/commandments.

i guess a person can free himself of violence if only to see if god would free him also of violence.

Jesus is quoted in the Bible as saying:

Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Luke 22:36 "And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."

looking at that, my earlier post seems very wrong.

my mistake.

 

[Ramadhan]

Um.... you would have to ignore a LOT of the Bible to come to that conclusion. All throughout the bible God practices violence, ordains violence, and commands violence. He even goes so far to do genocide (Noah's flood) and command genocide (neighbouring tribes of Israel). Jesus himself is a violent human sacrifice that God ordains to be the only way to cleanse man of sin. You may be able to explain the violence as justifiable, but you can't get away with saying Bible God does not approve of violence, because the opposite is often true.

I for once agree with you on this.

Christians seem to have this kind of mind disconnect between what is in their bible and what they perceive in mind. Even Jesus killed babies in the OT.

Meanwhile, Islam does not shun from violence because it is a fact of life, and violence is necessary in certain situation. However, in Islam, the use of violence is strictly regulated, for example like in war.

 

[Tyrion]

Even Jesus killed babies in the OT.

Jesus was in the OT? o.o