Logical proof for the existence of holy god.

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Asking for a proof for the existence of Holy God is as stupid as asking for a proof for the existence of the sun or for our existence ourselves. Allah himself is a proof of his existence and he is a proof of our existence too, because he gave us the ability to think, to learn and to see, and now we are blindly using these gifts to deny the existence of Allah who offered them to us. If a man can't believe in something unless he touches it, that's a big problem (he will deny the existence of electrons, or viruses). If you are not able to see the existence of Allah in his creation, I can't help you.
And please stop using the fairy tales characters (the unicorn, the dragons, ...) as arguments, their existence or non-existence is not the same thing as the existence of Holy God. We are here talking rationally about a God who has creations and has real signs of his existence, not like the unicorn who has no realtionship with the reality.
 
If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute.
Surah Maidah - 05:48​

Those who give partners (to Allah) will say: "If Allah had wished, we should not have given partners to Him nor would our fathers; nor should we have had any taboos." So did their ancestors argue falsely, until they tasted of Our wrath. Say: "Have ye any (certain) knowledge? If so, produce it before us. Ye follow nothing but conjecture: ye do nothing but lie."
Surah A'nam - 06:148​

If Allah were to hasten for men the ill (they have earned) as they would fain hasten on the good,- then would their respite be settled at once. But We leave those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, in their trespasses, wandering in distraction to and fro.
Surah Yunus - 10:11​

The worshippers of false gods say: "If Allah had so willed, we should not have worshipped aught but Him - neither we nor our fathers,- nor should we have prescribed prohibitions other than His." So did those who went before them. But what is the mission of messengers but to preach the Clear Message?

Abdullah Yusuf Ali (may Allah have mercy on him), regarding this verse, has written this in his tafseer (commentary):

2057. The age-old argument: if Allah is All-Powerful, why did He not force all persons to His Will? This ignores the limited free will granted to man, which is the whole basis of Ethics. Allah gives man every opportunity of knowing and understanding things, but He does nor force him, for that would be against the whole Plan on which our present Life is constituted.

I accept that the words of the Qur'an are unchanged. But are you seriously claiming that, since the time of the Prophet, Qur'anic scholars have understood verses to refer to the Big Bang, an expanding universe, undersea waves, atoms, the speed of light and so on and so forth? The truth is that verses have only been considered that way by some (many muslims have rather more sense) after people have trawled through the Qur'an looking for them, no doubt with the odd battered copy of Scientific American in hand. In doing so, IMVHO the real meaning of those verses is likely to be obscured, not revealed.

The Qur'anic scholars have believed in everything that the Qur'an has to say, some without even questioning. Brother, the Qur'an was sent for whole of humanity as a guide till the Day of Judgment. Even this day, there are parts of the Qur'an which Science has not been able to prove. For you Science is the yardstick, for us its the Qur'an. The Qur'an also mentions the existence of other beings like Angels and Jinns, Science has not been able to detect either of them. Yeah, once in a blue moon you do hear from somewhere that aliens or some never-seen-before creatures were spotted.

I request you to respect the years of hard-work which the Scholars and Daees have put in trying to make the verses of Qur'an more and more clear than what they are. You can't just make a mockery of them by calling it obscure.

I've also said before that nobody can claim to have the total knowledge of the Qur'an. Its a book of Signs. It is to be followed till the Day of Judgment and hence it will keep making itself more and more clear with time. Now you might say that the previous generations passed away without getting the meaning of a part of the Qur'an, the answer would be yes. Not that they had blind faith, they just didn't need it. Whatever benchmarks they had, the Qur'an always was able to score far more than any benchmark. It has, it is and inshAllah till the Day of Judgment will prove itself to be the word of God on its own merit.

I would argue both. First, god doesn't exist, and second if the god of the bible and quran did exist, he would be a tyrant and we should stand against him.

Stand against Him!

STAND AGAINST HIM!

STAND AGAINST HIM!!!!!

Do you even know what you're saying? You can't even make a just estimate how great He (Subhaanahu Wa Taala) is, no human can.

No just estimate have they made of Allah, such as is due to Him: On the Day of Resurrection, the whole earth will be in His Grasp and the heavens will be rolled up in His right Hand. Glory to Him! High is He above the partners they attribute to Him
Surah Zumar - 39:67​

Ibn Jareer said: " Yoonus told me that Ibn Wahb informed him that Ibn Zaid said: "My father told me: "Allah's Messenger (may Peace Be Upon Him) said: "The seven heavens are no more in comparison to the Kursi (footstool) than seven dirhams set in a shield." Abu Zarr (ra) said: "I heard Allah's Messenger (may Peace Be Upon Him) say: "The Kursi is no more in comparison to the `Arsh (Throne) than an iron ring thrown in a vast desert." [Ibn Hibbaan]

Can you possibly do anything against such a being??? Now thats illogical.

"So if you never told us about this God and we went on living as we have been we would be spared? But because you told us now we go to hell? WHY DID YOU TELL US, YOU HORRIBLE MAN?!"

I told you because OUR Lord has asked everyone who believes in him to do so. Now you know why I did it and how I became a horrible man. I've completed my side of the bargain, now its your turn to submit to Allah and seal the deal.

WHY DON'T YOU FINALLY BREAK-OUT OF THE DARKNESS AND ENTER THE LIGHT OF ISLAM??

Apart from all the verses and all the discussion which we've been having from the past few days, I'd like to add something. The Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad :saws: listed out the Signs of the Day of Judgment and since the lifetime of the Prophets :saws:, these Prophecies have been fulfilling one after another. Here's a link where you can go through them. How can the Qur'an and the Prophet :saws: be so precise about whats gonna happen after centuries. :?
http://etori.tripod.com/dajjalsystem/judgement.html
 
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I request you to respect the years of hard-work which the Scholars and Daees have put in trying to make the verses of Qur'an more and more clear than what they are. You can't just make a mockery of them by calling it obscure.

You seem to have abandoned actually reading what I am saying.

It is not 'years of hard work' from Qur'anic scholars that desperately attempts to attach assorted random 'scientific' tit-bits to various phrases in the Qur'an.. such people are more concerned with what the Qur'an actually says. I am 'mocking' nothing, but I am suggesting that the real meaning of the passage to which I am referring, for example, can hardly be clarified by pretending it has something to do with Big Bang when it clearly does not.
 
^^ You're behaving like the white-paper-pink example which I gave. I'm not the first person to have used that verse as a brief replica of the big bang theory. The verse is simple to understand and has been used in front of Scientists and scholars of various religions during Inter-faith dialogues. The verse is simple, the words are clear. If you're making some alien meaning of it then I can't help you Brother. Its getting to a totally new topic altogether of English grammar & vocabulary.
 
The Qur'anic scholars have believed in everything that the Qur'an has to say, some without even questioning.

Which you appear to find noble. I find the opposite. Questioning is to me a great virtue. It is the backbone of science. It is how we make progress and find truth. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is
answers that may never be questioned.

Even this day, there are parts of the Qur'an which Science has not been able to prove.

So you admit that aside from faith there is no evidence for parts of the Quran?

The Qur'an also mentions the existence of other beings like Angels and Jinns, Science has not been able to detect either of them.

Maybe because science isn't advanced enough to detect them. Or, maybe because they don't exist.

Stand against Him!

Yes.

STAND AGAINST HIM!

I hope I have the moral conviction to do so.

STAND AGAINST HIM!!!!!

Do you even know what you're saying? You can't even make a just estimate how great He (Subhaanahu Wa Taala) is, no human can.

To continue with the Superman reference made a few posts above, I will not kneel before Zod. I will not be an obedient citizen of a celestial North Korea. Might is not right. No matter how futile standing against an all powerful tyrant may be, it is the moral thing to do.

And though I realize that my seeing the God you envision as a tyrant offends you, and I can't blame you for that, it is the fact of the matter. And I see no way to phrase it any more politely (I would if I could). And I won't pretend I see it otherwise so not to offend, just as you won't pretend not to believe in hell and non-muslims going there so not to offend myself and other non-muslims.
 
I'm not the first person to have used that verse as a brief replica of the big bang theory. The verse is simple to understand and has been used in front of Scientists and scholars of various religions during Inter-faith dialogues. The verse is simple, the words are clear.

They are perfectly clear. They just have nothing to do with the Big Bang theory, let alone 'replicate' it, simply or otherwise.

If you believe otherwise, and actually know what the Big Bang theory is, could you please explain what the quoted 'heavens' are, what the quoted 'earth' is/was and what is supposed to have been cloven asunder in terms of the science as currently understood?
 
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Which you appear to find noble. I find the opposite. Questioning is to me a great virtue. It is the backbone of science. It is how we make progress and find truth. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is
answers that may never be questioned.

Thats a very wrong opinion you have about Religion. Why do you think people turn to God? They turn to him because he has the answers to every question. I'm not a blind believer myself. I have questioned and when I received convincing answers, I couldn't find a better answer than submitting to the Almighty.

So you admit that aside from faith there is no evidence for parts of the Quran?

Maybe because science isn't advanced enough to detect them. Or, maybe because they don't exist.

You questioned, you answered.

I hope I have the moral conviction to do so.

I wanna know what kind of Morality is standing against the Most-Compassionate (Ar-Rahman), Most-Merciful (Ar-Rahim), the Source of Peace (As-Salam), The Shaper of Beauty (Al-Musawwir), The Forgiving (Al-Ghaffar), The Reliever (Al-Basit), The Bestower of Honors (Al-Muizz), The Just (Al-Adl), The Forbearing (Al-Halim), The Magnificent (Al-Azim), The Forgiver of Faults (Al-Ghafur), The Nourisher (Al-Muqit), The Generous (Al-Karim), The Loving One (Al-Wadood), The Truth (Al-Haqq), The Glorious (Al-Majid), The Satisfier of all needs (As-Samad), The Righteous Teacher (Ar-Rasheed), The Pure One (Al-Quddoos), The Sustainer (Ar-Razzaq), The Most Wise (Al-Hakeem), The Preventor of Harm (Al-Mani)

To continue with the Superman reference made a few posts above, I will not kneel before Zod. I will not be an obedient citizen of a celestial North Korea. Might is not right. No matter how futile standing against an all powerful tyrant may be, it is the moral thing to do.

And though I realize that my seeing the God you envision as a tyrant offends you, and I can't blame you for that, it is the fact of the matter. And I see no way to phrase it any more politely (I would if I could). And I won't pretend I see it otherwise so not to offend, just as you won't pretend not to believe in hell and non-muslims going there so not to offend myself and other non-muslims.

So now you're telling me that you just "pretend" not to believe in him?

Anyway, We've proved that He's no tyrant.
 
Uthmān;1260533 said:
- A Muslim who fulfils all of their obligations and avoids the major sins is guaranteed a place in paradise without any punishment.

- A Muslim who does not fulfil all of their obligatory duties and/or does fall into major sins might be punished for a time in Hell, but they will eventually enter paradise on account of their belief that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad (:saws:) is his messenger.

- A Non-Muslim who knows that Islam is the truth and rejects it will not enter paradise.

- A person who is not aware of Islam will be tested by Allah on the day of judgement and they will enter either paradise or Hell based on whether or not they pass the test.

If we call these groups 1, 2, 3 and 4, we know that only group 3 will definitely enter Hellfire forever, whilst groups 1 and 2 are ‘safe’ in the long-run and group 4 is undecided. Let’s say for the sake of argument that Allah decides to forgive group 4 and put them all into Paradise and just focus on group 3 for the moment.

What percentage of the worlds non-Muslim population converts to Islam during their lifetime? That percentage is extremely small, so that roughly 99% of them are doomed to eternal torment from birth, yet those born to Muslim parents are lucky enough to start off on the right path and have a much easier path to paradise.

In a study by the Pew Forum in October of this year, it was found that around one in four people around the world are Muslim. It is also estimated by sociologists in the U.K that only about one in twelve people break away from their parent’s beliefs. If we say this applies to the whole world then this is a fairly liberal estimate.

Let’s assume that all of the non-Muslims who break away from their parent’s beliefs convert to Islam and no other religion, whilst no Muslims apostate. That leaves 70% of the world (over 4.7 billion people) as non-Muslims. So let’s focus on group 3. So if you have not heard of Islam you cannot reject it, right? So how can we estimate how many people have heard of Islam?

It has been suggested that approximately half the world’s population lives in cities whilst half live in rural areas. If we say that people who live in cities are more likely to have heard of Islam due to greater religious diversity, internet access and higher levels of literacy, it would make sense to say that most of these people have heard of Islam. So let’s say all of them have, and that none of the rural ones have, which is a conservative estimate.

So if we assume that of the 5 billion non-Muslims today, half will encounter Islam and half will not, that means that approximately 2.5 billion people minus the one-in-twelve who converts to Islam, are going directly to Hell forever. That’s around 2.1 billion people or 30% of the world’s population. This is group 3, the ‘kafirs’.

Now, if we assume people do leave Islam, around one-in-twelve Muslims, that adds another 150 million, at best, to group 3. Remember, we are not looking at ‘bad’ Muslims, we are looking at ‘kafirs’, those who will be in Hell for eternity, not just for a short-term stay before going to Paradise.

So of Group 3, approximately 7% are (born) Muslims and 93% are (born) non-Muslims, according to this very conservative estimate.

In the eyes of God, we are all equal. I have no more a right to paradise than you or anyone else just because I was born muslim. As such, my chances are the same as yours.

But even with a really conservative rough estimate, you appear to have, as a born Muslim, a chance of one-in-twelve of going to Hell forever compared to just under one–in-two for a born non-Muslim, whilst the odds of being a born non-Muslim are more than three times higher than being a born Muslim.

For me, this shows that Allah cannot be just, because being born into a particular religion, Islam, gives you a statistical edge over someone who is not in escaping eternal Hellfire, which, when it comes down to it, is proof that a ‘Most Merciful’ Allah cannot really exist.
 
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They are perfectly clear. They just have nothing to do with the Big Bang theory, let alone 'replicate' it, simply or otherwise.

If you believe otherwise, and actually know what the Big Bang theory is, could you please explain what the quoted 'heavens' are, what the quoted 'earth' is/was and what is supposed to have been cloven asunder in terms of the science as currently understood?

For an explanation about the Big Bang and its declaration in the Holy Book, refer to the following videos. I couldn't embed them, there was some error.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SfuZw2DaGk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muf4W1I7NSw

The words seem to have confused you. Here's the translation of others of that verse:

Surah Anbiya - 21:30

YUSUFALI: Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

PICKTHAL: Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?

SHAKIR: Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have made of water everything living, will they not then believe?
 
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If we call these groups 1, 2, 3 and 4, we know that only group 3 will definitely enter Hellfire forever, whilst groups 1 and 2 are ‘safe’ in the long-run and group 4 is undecided. Let’s say for the sake of argument that Allah decides to forgive group 4 and put them all into Paradise and just focus on group 3 for the moment.

In a study by the Pew Forum in October of this year, it was found that around one in four people around the world are Muslim. It is also estimated by sociologists in the U.K that only about one in twelve people break away from their parent’s beliefs. If we say this applies to the whole world then this is a fairly liberal estimate.

Let’s assume that all of the non-Muslims who break away from their parent’s beliefs convert to Islam and no other religion, whilst no Muslims apostate. That leaves 70% of the world (over 4.7 billion people) as non-Muslims. So let’s focus on group 3. So if you have not heard of Islam you cannot reject it, right? So how can we estimate how many people have heard of Islam?

It has been suggested that approximately half the world’s population lives in cities whilst half live in rural areas. If we say that people who live in cities are more likely to have heard of Islam due to greater religious diversity, internet access and higher levels of literacy, it would make sense to say that most of these people have heard of Islam. So let’s say all of them have, and that none of the rural ones have, which is a conservative estimate.

So if we assume that of the 5 billion non-Muslims today, half will encounter Islam and half will not, that means that approximately 2.5 billion people minus the one-in-twelve who converts to Islam, are going directly to Hell forever. That’s around 2.1 billion people or 30% of the world’s population. This is group 3, the ‘kafirs’.

Now, if we assume people do leave Islam, around one-in-twelve Muslims, that adds another 150 million, at best, to group 3. Remember, we are not looking at ‘bad’ Muslims, we are looking at ‘kafirs’, those who will be in Hell for eternity, not just for a short-term stay before going to Paradise.

So of Group 3, approximately 7% are (born) Muslims and 93% are (born) non-Muslims, according to this very conservative estimate.

But as a born Muslim, you have chance of one-in-twelve of going to Hell forever compared to just under one–in-two for a born non-Muslim, whilst the odds of being a born non-Muslim are more than three times higher than being a born Muslim. And this is even with a really, really conservative estimate.

For me, this shows that Allah cannot be just, because being born into a particular religion, Islam, gives you a statistical edge over someone who is not in escaping eternal Hellfire, which, when it comes down to it, is proof that a ‘Most Merciful’ Allah cannot really exist.

If numbers favor something, it doesn't mean that it has to be right. :skeleton:
 
If numbers favor something, it doesn't mean that it has to be right. :skeleton:

This is just an example using very crude data and even cruder assumptions, but what I am trying to show in my own long-winded way is that, in the long-run, born Muslims are better off.
 
The only reason people can "abuse the crap out of it" now is because we rely on each other to know the word of God. If God put his message directly to us all, then nobody could claim to have words from God that were not words from God because everybody would know otherwise. Nobody could be fooled.
Oh come on. You really think noone in that situation would lie and say ''oh well I was told different by God, now bow down to me?''

And then the test would be completely about whether or not people obey the message rather than who figures it out.
That's provided all human beings in that situation were completely honest. We know for a fact humans aren't - we already abuse the words of God when in written form! So IMO it would be far worse.

Sounds good to me. But if he must test people... is it a test of who follows his message or a test of who figures it out? Its clearly a bit of both since many Christians and Jews and Hindus earnestly search for truth and believe they have it and then do all they can to follow what they think it is, only (in the muslim view) to get it wrong. Thats what the poster above was getting at.
I won't interfere in that particular point then. If you've already started discussing that with someone else, I'll let you two finish it off.

But he isn't. He is beyond human language and all of its limits. And as he created us, he could very easily rise above these limits in the communication of his message.
I don't deny that He could do it that way. It's a matter of should He/did He.

But true, some of them went though horrible times and I don't doubt that these ones believed their claims. But that doesn't make them right. The leader of the Heaven's Gate cult, or Jim Jones, or David Koresh all likely believed in their spiritual claims. Should we believe them for that alone?
I'm not saying that we should believe all who go through tribulations. I'm saying the Prophets/messengers did not go through years of persection by actng on a whims or earthly desire - there was a good reason behind it and it must have been very strong considering what a lot of them went through. It wasn't '' oh well, If I survive this ass-whooping I'll get a wife somewhere down the line and everything will be just gravy!'' They had conviction in a higher power all the way till their death - that's not something based on earthly desires when we factor in they (the prophets) were all generally poor (in terms of wealth) and even at their peak gained nothing (well, at least not the ones I know of). A couple of friends along the way perhaps but not enough to sustain in some cases decades of persecution.

Reread the above. I don't know how to spell it out any clearer.
I've read it and countered. I still don't see it dude.
 
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For me, this shows that Allah cannot be just, because being born into a particular religion, Islam, gives you a statistical edge over someone who is not in escaping eternal Hellfire, which, when it comes down to it, is proof that a ‘Most Merciful’ Allah cannot really exist.
oh you mean sort of like the same way a parent may discipline their child when they act out of order. this does not negate that the parent doesn't love or isnt just to the child...it just means they are handing down justice.
 
For an explanation about the Big Bang and its declaration in the Holy Book, refer to the following videos.

I do not need an 'explanation about the Big Bang', thank you. Your videos , I'm afraid, cater only to their intended audience of suitably gullible existing believers.

The words seem to have confused you. Here's the translation of others of that verse:

Please don't insult my intelligence, or your own. I am not in the least 'confused'. You, however, regarding the Big Bang at least, simply do not know what you are talking about. If you did you might be able to answer the questions I asked earlier. If you can do so then I will tackle your response. a point at a time.
 
Which question have I not answered of yours? You wanna know what the big bang is, well here it is in my words, there was an initial primary nebula and billions of years ago this nebula exploded forming the universe and scattering celestial bodies through. This way, the solar system, the galaxies and all other celestial bodies came into picture. cloved asunder means separated and heavens means sky. Celestial bodies are the one that float in the space. Universe is everything that exits. Galaxies are parts of Universe consisting stars and dust. Stars are bodies of plasma. Plasma is the fourth state of matter. The Sun is also a star. Billion is the value 1 followed by 9 zeroes. A year is a measure of time consisting of 365 days. A nebula is a body made of dust and gases.
 
Which question have I not answered of yours?

You haven't answered any of them. I already know what the Big Bang theory is. I asked you what the 'heavens' and b) 'earth' mentioned in the Qur'an were, as well as what was supposedly 'cloven asunder', specifically in the context of the theory you claim it describes.

The last one is the trickiest perhaps, so let's put it aside for the moment. So what does the Qur'an refer to in that passage by 'heaven' and 'earth'? Consider two points before answering. The first is relevance to the Big Bang theory (try at least reading a Wiki article or something, your last post is confused nonsense). The second is what those words normally mean in the Qur'an, or indeed in any other religious text you can think of. Hint, if 'heavens' means 'sky' what possible sense does that make in the context of the Big Bang?!
 
Brother Trumble, prior to the big bang, there was neither earth nor sky. If I remember my science classes right, there just used to be one big mass of gases and as far as I know these gases were together because of nuclear reactions (fission/fusion). Then this one body exploded and led to the formation of various galaxies and other celestial bodies. I'm not a Professor of Astrophysics and so this is all I can tell you of the big bang of all what I've heard/read/seen about it.
 
Oh come on. You really think noone in that situation would lie and say ''oh well I was told different by God, now bow down to me?''

They could, yes. But everybody would know they were lying, so they could gain nothing from it.

That's provided all human beings in that situation were completely honest. We know for a fact humans aren't - we already abuse the words of God when in written form! So IMO it would be far worse.

How could better communication make it worse? We certainly may not follow his word once we have it, but we would have it, inmistakably.

It wasn't '' oh well, If I survive this ass-whooping I'll get a wife somewhere down the line and everything will be just gravy!'' They had conviction in a higher power all the way till their death - that's not something based on earthly desires when we factor in they (the prophets) were all generally poor (in terms of wealth) and even at their peak gained nothing (well, at least not the ones I know of).

I agree that the ones who went through that were likely sincere. That doesn't make them right. Those who believe they have seen UFOs are also very sincere.
 
Why do you think people turn to God?

A lot of different reasons.

1. Emotional need is one. Have you noticed that a lot of people convert following a traumatic emotional event?

2. Another is social programming. As mentioned in the post above people tend to adopt the religion of their ancestors.

3. Another is instinct, likely programmed by evolution. It is of benefit to the species for the young to instinctively trust in their elders, so the social programming in reason 2 is easy. Also there is benefit at birth in believing in a higher power, which we call "mommy" and this tendency to believe in a higher power persists in many and once "mommy" can no longer fill that role they need something else to. Enter God.

4. Another is easy answers. As I said earlier, philosphy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. Religion gives easy answers to all of the big questions we can't otherwise answer. This is the god of the gaps. We are pattern seeking animals and will fill in blanks instead of let them persist. People don't like to not know things, so they fill in the gaps with the only explanation available at the time - magic, or Gods.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more. None of them point to God being real.

I wanna know what kind of Morality is standing against the Most-Compassionate (Ar-Rahman), Most-Merciful (Ar-Rahim), the Source of Peace (As-Salam)

I'm not sure any morality could stand against compassion, mercy and peace. But I don't see your God that way. Merely claiming it or writing it in a book doesn't make it so, especially when this god also describes himself as a jealous god, demands the stoning, beheading, and death of various people, sets up a system of eternal torture for those who don't believe in him, and inspires numerous holy wars.

The Shaper of Beauty (Al-Musawwir), The Forgiving (Al-Ghaffar), The Reliever (Al-Basit), The Bestower of Honors (Al-Muizz), The Just (Al-Adl), The Forbearing (Al-Halim), The Magnificent (Al-Azim), The Forgiver of Faults (Al-Ghafur), The Nourisher (Al-Muqit), The Generous (Al-Karim), The Loving One (Al-Wadood), The Truth (Al-Haqq), The Glorious (Al-Majid), The Satisfier of all needs (As-Samad), The Righteous Teacher (Ar-Rasheed), The Pure One (Al-Quddoos), The Sustainer (Ar-Razzaq), The Most Wise (Al-Hakeem), The Preventor of Harm (Al-Mani)

Given the actions of his believers and given the text within the holy books themselves I see no reason to call him any of these things. Apart of course from his demand that you do.

So now you're telling me that you just "pretend" not to believe in him?

No, you evidently missed my point. I am telling you that I won't pretend to see your religion differently than I do just to not insult you. Just as you would not do the same for us non believers (who I'm sure you can understand find it offensive when your religion declares that those who don't follow it deserve eternal torture)

Anyway, We've proved that He's no tyrant.

You have not even tried to do so. And if I said such a thing in some places in space and time (including some modern places) I would be executed, in itself a sign of tyrany.
 
Which question have I not answered of yours? You wanna know what the big bang is, well here it is in my words, there was an initial primary nebula and billions of years ago this nebula exploded forming the universe and scattering celestial bodies through. This way, the solar system, the galaxies and all other celestial bodies came into picture. cloved asunder means separated and heavens means sky. Celestial bodies are the one that float in the space. Universe is everything that exits. Galaxies are parts of Universe consisting stars and dust. Stars are bodies of plasma. Plasma is the fourth state of matter. The Sun is also a star. Billion is the value 1 followed by 9 zeroes. A year is a measure of time consisting of 365 days. A nebula is a body made of dust and gases.

Only a believer could read the above from the below.

Surah Anbiya - 21:30

YUSUFALI: Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

PICKTHAL: Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?

SHAKIR: Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were closed up, but We have opened them; and We have made of water everything living, will they not then believe?

You are reading with heavy confirmation bias. You selectively pick out the bits that can be interpretted to confirm modern science and then interpret it in that manner (while there are other ways it could be read). The same can be done with Nostradamus. The same can be done with ancient Incan writings. The same can be done by the psychic phone network.

If tomorrow the big bang theory is invalidated (as science allows, unlike religion) and replaced with a whole new theory then all of a sudden this part of the quran will no longer be claimed to have predicted the big bang theory and some other previously overlooked part will be claimed to have predicted the new theory.
 
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