'Lyrical terrorist' convicted for jihad poems

[wilberhum]

you are agnostic... so perhaps for you the world is a big ocean and you do not hold a compass. i believe in catholicism so the right thing is very clear for me... disagreement from other people is natural but doesn't really make a difference for me

I'm an agnostic that is correct.
But I was Catholic twice as long as you.

The right thing might be clear to you but that helps no one in trying to define what the "Right Thing" is.

If we take your approach we could eliminate the entire law book and simplify the legal system.

We would have one and only one law; do the "Right Thing".

 

[Amadeus85]

the west think islam is a violent religion becuase they are hungry for oil.

i've heard worse things, and people have kept silent.
peace...

the West thinks that islam may be a violent religion because of people like Lyrical Terrorist.

 

[Jayda]

I'm an agnostic that is correct.
But I was Catholic twice as long as you.

The right thing might be clear to you but that helps no one in trying to define what the "Right Thing" is.

If we take your approach we could eliminate the entire law book and simplify the legal system.

We would have one and only one law; do the "Right Thing".

lol but perhaps i am a Catholic twice as hard as you were. but yes, i agree, we would not need all of those laws and legal systems... as long as everybody did the right then i think things would be better

 

[Fishman]

the West thinks that islam may be a violent religion because of people like Lyrical Terrorist.

And Lyrical Terrorist thinks that the west is evil because of people who think Islam is a violent religion. They both hate eachother because of eachother. You can't blame anybody in particular for starting the whole thing...

 

[wilberhum]

lol but perhaps i am a Catholic twice as hard as you were. but yes, i agree, we would not need all of those laws and legal systems... as long as everybody did the right then i think things would be better

Silly circle. You might was well say "as long as everybody did" do-da-de-du. :-\

If you don't define it in understandable universal terms, you have nothing but an empty statement.

 

[aamirsaab]

So now think , what if -

An european guy calling himself a Crusader, would make a poems calling to violence against muslims, poems about beheadings muslims and starting a crusade against muslims.

Would it be ok for you? ^o)

Yes because that is what freedom of expression (you know, that thing everyone seems to be ragging on about) is all about. If, however, they started shooting at muslims for example, then I would have a problem with it just as if the lyical terrorist were to start getting violent. Speaking of which, the lyrical terrorist did not start a crusade - if she did, then that is clearly an arrestable offence and I wouldn't have said double standards.

I can name 2 sites of the top of my head that call for the extinction of Islam - is anyone arresting them on anti-terror laws? One site even has a video of some jack-ass shooting several Qurans. Please tell me you can see the blatant double-standards.

Oh wait, I forgot. I'm muslim therefore whenever I speak I must be complaining. Oh wait, when I don't complain I'm told off for not condemning.

I could go on and on, but the fact is there's a lot of BS going around and it seems a very small minority are the only one's who fully comprehend it.

 

[Jayda]

Silly circle. You might was well say "as long as everybody did" do-da-de-du. :-\

If you don't define it in understandable universal terms, you have nothing but an empty statement.

hola

there is no reason to get upset... i just have a different opinion than you, that's all

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Amadeus85]

Yes because that is what freedom of expression (you know, that thing everyone seems to be ragging on about) is all about. If, however, they started shooting at muslims for example, then I would have a problem with it just as if the lyical terrorist were to start getting violent. Speaking of which, the lyrical terrorist did not start a crusade - if she did, then that is clearly an arrestable offence and I wouldn't have said double standards.

I can name 2 sites of the top of my head that call for the extinction of Islam - is anyone arresting them on anti-terror laws? One site even has a video of some jack-ass shooting several Qurans. Please tell me you can see the blatant double-standards.

Oh wait, I forgot. I'm muslim therefore whenever I speak I must be complaining. Oh wait, when I don't complain I'm told off for not condemning.

I could go on and on, but the fact is there's a lot of BS going around and it seems a very small minority are the only one's who fully comprehend it.

In my opinion, both Lyrical terrorist and my Crusader should be sent to jail.In my opinion, freedom of speech has some limits, especially when someone calls to beheaings.To put it clear, i would also ban some hip hop and rock songs.Im just bit politlcly incorrect.

 

[Fishman]

In my opinion, both Lyrical terrorist and my Crusader should be sent to jail.In my opinion, freedom of speech has some limits, especially when someone calls to beheaings.

Hey, I agree with you as well. Never would have thought it though, with us having opposite political views and all...

 

[wilberhum]

hola

there is no reason to get upset... i just have a different opinion than you, that's all

que Dios te bendiga

Upset? :skeleton: You have to be kidding. :-\

Because you won't define "Right Thing"? :giggling::giggling::giggling:

Want to see me upset, tell me what my rights as a Dhimmi are. :raging:

 

[wilberhum]

:thumbs_up

Hey, I agree with you as well. Never would have thought it though, with us having opposite political views and all...

Fishman,
What is your deal? Why the amazement?

You are an intelligent open-minded individual with non radical points of view.

A whole lot more people will agree with you than not.

 

[Malaikah]

Freedom of speech blah blah whatever, Islam does not allow 'To chop chop head of kuffar swine'. Any reason why we're being called heartless terrorists? Sure, freedom of speech us Muslims will say, I say what a load of rubbish! Islam does not support the killing of innocent people, nor is Islam a religion of 'terror'. It's people who've got a completely wrong idea of Islam as to allow 'chop chop chop' of heads. It's totally ridiculous. Jihad is something and terror is something else.

I must be missing something- but the article never said that she was directing those violent actions against innocent people. Who's to say she wasn't referring to those non-Muslims who are unjustly fighting and oppressing others and who deserve to be fought if they don't stop their evil ways?

But then I guess the fact she called herself a 'lyrical terrorist' is rather suspicious, unless it was a reaction to the way people call Muslims terrorists even when they aren't.

The poetry is being exploited it seems. The real issue here is the manuals about how to make bombs and poisoning and whatever. And even that is not proof that she intended to DO something.

In my opinion, both Lyrical terrorist and my Crusader should be sent to jail.In my opinion, freedom of speech has some limits, especially when someone calls to beheaings.

In my opinion the poems should be read in full before we just assume that she meant it in a criminal way and against innocents.

 

[aamirsaab]

In my opinion, both Lyrical terrorist and my Crusader should be sent to jail.In my opinion, freedom of speech has some limits, especially when someone calls to beheaings.To put it clear, i would also ban some hip hop and rock songs.Im just bit politlcly incorrect.

See I have no problem with that view point. You understand that there are limits to freedoms and you are consistent with it.

 

[wilberhum]

Malaikah
innocent people
If one takes the OBL defination, anyone who pays taxes is not innocent.
IMHO she did intend to do great harm. But then that is MHO.

 

[Malaikah]

innocent people
If one takes the OBL defination, anyone who pays taxes is not innocent.
IMHO she did intend to do great harm. But then that is MHO.

Yes, true that does complicate the situation a fair bit (i.e. the OBL thing).

I'm not going to pretend she is innocent, but I'm not going to assume her guilt either. The fact is- I don't know. But don't you think you going a bit to far by judging her based on a single artcile with out even hearing her defend herself? :?

 

[wilberhum]

Yes, true that does complicate the situation a fair bit (i.e. the OBL thing).

I'm not going to pretend he is innocent, but I'm not going to assume her guilt either. But don't you think you going a bit to far by judging her based on a single artcile with out even hearing her defend herself? :?

I will realy on the courts, they have all the facts and know the laws.

They are not perfect but they are surly better than us with maybe 5% of the facts.

 

[KAding]

So, this is illegal hate speech whilst the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons and the BNP are freedom of expression? Sounds like double standards. I am not saying that what the girl said was right, but that if they want to hold their position they should logically outlaw the far-right and also condemn the Muhammad (peace be upon him) cartoons.

So you think dead serious poems about how wonderful it would be to slit a kafirs throat from someone who is clearly obsessed with death is comparable to a political cartoonist drawing Mohammed with a bomb-shaped turban?

 

[barney]

All she has done is encourage murder.....is that really so much of a crime.

The Courts are acting like she's unstable or something. When has getting pleasure from watching journalists having their heads hacked off by a group of screaming fanatics become something other than a enjoyable pastime?

 

[Jayda]

'lyrical terrorist' sounds like something a rapper might call themself...

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Greetings,

Not for the first time, I've been surprised by how long it took for any Muslim poster here to condemn these sorts of actions. If I was a Muslim I would be horrified at the behaviour of this girl.

It's also interesting to note that we've had some quiet censorship of the thread; one post, indicating that a member here might have known the girl in question (or perhaps that we all did) has been silently removed.

What are we ashamed of, people?

Peace

hello.
im not aiming this at you, just thought it would be a good place to sate my comment.
maybe im looking into things too much. but i have noticed that when someone is locked up for things like this, muslims immeditaley try to explain, saying this is not the act of the muslim. dont get me wrong, im not justifying anything bad, etc and that maybe true, but at the same time it sometimes sounds as if we immeditaley make justification against them, and at the same time just betray them, and leave them in the dark "oh, thats not what a muslim does" etc.
they are still our brothers and sisters. yes, maybe a little more ignorant than us, but my point remain standing by them. i hope that makes sense.