Mathematical Miracles of the Qur'an

[ranma1/2]

does anyone here have a an exact lists of where these words are listed?

 

[Isambard]

Anyone else watch the movie, "The Number 13"?

 

[Resigned]

The web is rife with various websites citing these alleged “miracles” (mathematical or otherwise), in the Koran. I’m always concerned with those who cut and paste them onto discussion boards without ever taking the time to explore them. When the gullible try to extend the reach of their holy books beyond the spiritual, it tends toward a backward society.

That's not to say that the spiritual message of holy books is inappropriate, but take, for instance, the verses from the Koran that are most often used to shoehorn in on science. They're wrong. Lamps in heaven, planets as ornaments. That's absurd. It holds back science. It gives reasons to those who would pillory scientific progress without investigating it in anything other than a holy book. Their animosity to open investigation is palpable. Scientific advances continually disprove religious “truths” and prune back the overreaching of religion into science. The earth isn't flat. Species evolved. These are not spiritual facts, they're material. And when religionists proclaim they've found a verse in a holy book that contradicts them, they're wrong because they've read into the verse something beyond its spiritual intent.

 

[ranma1/2]

The web is rife with various websites citing these alleged “miracles” (mathematical or otherwise), in the Koran. I’m always concerned with those who cut and paste them onto discussion boards without ever taking the time to explore them. When the gullible try to extend the reach of their holy books beyond the spiritual, it tends toward a backward society.

That's not to say that the spiritual message of holy books is inappropriate, but take, for instance, the verses from the Koran that are most often used to shoehorn in on science. They're wrong. Lamps in heaven, planets as ornaments. That's absurd. It holds back science. It gives reasons to those who would pillory scientific progress without investigating it in anything other than a holy book. Their animosity to open investigation is palpable. Scientific advances continually disprove religious “truths” and prune back the overreaching of religion into science. The earth isn't flat. Species evolved. These are not spiritual facts, they're material. And when religionists proclaim they've found a verse in a holy book that contradicts them, they're wrong because they've read into the verse something beyond its spiritual intent.

ive seen the web declartation of number miracles but they never show the verse. id love to find a program where you can look up particualr words. and their variants.

 

[snakelegs]

The reason we believe the Quran to be the Truth, and the Messenger of Allah to be the Truth, and Islam to be the Truth, is not because of these mathematical miricles. They may exist, or they may not. But regardless, Islam is still Truth. We should try and understand the apparent meaning of the Quran before we move on to finding these things and seeking a deeper "hidden" meaning of the Quran. The Sahabas never cared if the Quran contained a mathematical miracle or not, but they understood the Quran better than us and were the best of the Ummah and of mankind after the Prophets.

My 2 cents.

the best post on this entire thread.

 

[Talha777]

Forget these so called skeptics, doesn't our Holy Quran say about such people who mock the signs and miracles which God has shown them:

And, when they see a sign, turn it to mockery
(As Saffat 37:14)​

These people's vain desires and ego is threatened by the manifest proofs of the Holy Quran, which is a living heavenly miracle. A fountain of miracles that will never go dry, and each generation will continue to discover more marvelous signs from the casket of jewels.

 

[Isambard]

Forget these so called skeptics, doesn't our Holy Quran say about such people who mock the signs and miracles which God has shown them:

And, when they see a sign, turn it to mockery
(As Saffat 37:14)​

These people's vain desires and ego is threatened by the manifest proofs of the Holy Quran, which is a living heavenly miracle. A fountain of miracles that will never go dry, and each generation will continue to discover more marvelous signs from the casket of jewels.

We wouldnt mock it if the claims weren't so silly. Or do you agree that a woman finding the face of the virgin mary in a tortilla is also a miracle?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

We wouldnt mock it if the claims weren't so silly. Or do you agree that a woman finding the face of the virgin mary in a tortilla is also a miracle?

Not to mention Jesus on a dog's hmhm...:hiding:

 

[Talha777]

We wouldnt mock it if the claims weren't so silly. Or do you agree that a woman finding the face of the virgin mary in a tortilla is also a miracle?

What is so silly?

"Day (yawm)" is repeated 365 times in singular form, while its plural and dual forms "days (ayyam and yawmayn)" together are repeated 30 times. The number of repetitions of the word "month" (shahar) is 12.

The word day (yawm) is repeated 365 times in singular form. There are 365.25days in the solar calendar. Coincidence or heavenly sign?

The word days (ayyam and yawmayn) are repeated 30 times. There are 29 or 30 days in every Lunar month. The lunar calendar has 360 days, divided in 12 months equals 30 days each. If 12 solar months were to be divided equally in days the number would be rounded to 30. Coincidence or heavenly sign?

The word month (shahar) is repeated 12 times. There are 12 months in both lunar and solar calendars. Coincidence or heavenly sign?

The number of times the words "man" and "woman" are repeated in the Qur'an, 23, is at the same time that of the chromosomes from the egg and sperm in the formation of the human embryo. The total number of human chromosomes is 46; 23 each from the mother and father.

46 chromosomes, 23 from father and 23 from mother, word man is mentioned 23 times and word woman is mentioned 23 times in Holy Quran. Coincidence or heavenly sign?

This is just the tip of the iceberg my friend. The more times the skeptics and disbelievers continue to say "coincidence, coincidence," the less likely the probability is that it is a coincidence and not a heavenly sign. So when all the multitude of signs in the Holy Quran are taken as a collective we are compelled to believe this is a book that was not authored by an illiterate seventh century Arabian shephard (peace and blessings upon him) but rather it is a supernatural book.

Let me say though that for the atheists and agnostics, God is not going to make His Signs so blatant that you have no excuse not to believe. Remember this point. God does send down signs and miracles, but those who have pure hearts and are righteous, they will be inclined to believe in such miracles. So God sends down such signs to make a sifting process. There will always be a shred of doubt in the perverse hearts which they will use as justification to continue living in a state of disbelief so that they dont have to sacrifice their hedonistic lifestyle and become subject to Allah.

Please reflect on this beautiful and very wise verse of the Holy Quran. The skeptics of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings upon him) asked that if he is a true prophet of God why doesnt an Angel come down and accompany him for everyone to see and so no doubt or excuse will be left. To this objection Almighty Allah revealed an answer:

They say: "Why is not an angel sent down to him?" If we did send down an angel, the matter would be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them.
(Al Anam 6:8)​

So this is why Allah does not send down such a blatant proof that not even the spiritually blind will have no excuse to reject it. Here is another illustration of this:

Our Holy Prophet (peace and blessings upon him) was given revelation about the signs that will point to the coming of the Day of Judgment. One of these signs is that the sun will rise from the west (instead of the east as usual). But when this happens, all the non-Muslims on Earth will know Islam is the true religion and will accept it. But Allah will reject their acceptance of Islam at this late juncture:

Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them, or thy Lord (Himself), or certain of the signs of thy Lord! the day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith
(Al Anam 6:158)​

 

[Isambard]

So you will accept the "mathmatical miracles" of other religious texts too right?

 

[Talha777]

So you will accept the "mathmatical miracles" of other religious texts too right?

If you can show them to me, and show that they are superior to those which have been proven from the Holy Quran, what choice will I have to accept or reject them?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

in the Quran it says man and woman are equal - man is mentioned 24 times in the Quran and so is woman mentioned 24 times.

The number of times the words "man" and "woman" are repeated in the Qur'an, 23, is at the same time that of the chromosomes from the egg and sperm in the formation of the human embryo. The total number of human chromosomes is 46; 23 each from the mother and father.

Another area to avoid is the misconception about the "miracle of numbers" in the Quran. The stories are many and all of them are false. There is no miracle of "19" in the Quran; this not the occurance of the word "day" and "night" 365 times (the Muslim calendar is 354 days anyway); the words "angel" and "devil" do not occur the same number of times; and all of the mathematical equasions mentioned about the earth and the water are worthless to someone who is trying to understand about Allah and Islam. So please stop this propaganda and DO NOT FORWARD these messages to everyone on your list.

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[Talha777]

There is no miracle of "19" in the Quran

I agree, this so called 19 miracle of the Holy Quran was basically a fraud started by one Rashad Khalifa who in order to to prove this so called miracle deleted two verses from the Holy Quran. His ego also got bloated due to this dellusion of his and started claiming to be a Messenger of God. As a result of such claim he died mysteriously a disgraceful death.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

If you can show them to me, and show that they are superior to those which have been proven from the Holy Quran, what choice will I have to accept or reject them?

Which of the miracles of the Quran have actually been proven? I hear the 19 is false, the 23 is dubious, so is the 365...

 

[Talha777]

Which of the miracles of the Quran have actually been proven? I hear the 19 is false, the 23 is dubious, so is the 365...

I never mentioned the 19 or 23. As for 365, only the word yawm in single form, and not in plural form as ayyam or yawmayn (two days). There are some fallacies, but I did not quote those.

http://www.harunyahya.com/books/fai...e_quran/Allahs_miracles_of_the_quran4.php#108

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I never mentioned the 19 or 23. As for 365, only the word yawm in single form, and not in plural form as ayyam or yawmayn (two days). There are some fallacies, but I did not quote those.

Dr. Fahd al-Roomi said something similar about the selective way in which Dr ‘Abd al-Razzaaq Nawfal chose words in order to reach this numerical balance, such as when he said: The word yawm (day) is mentioned 365 times in the Qur’aan, the number of days in a year. In order to prove this he counted the words “al-yawm” and “yawman” but he ignored words such as “yawmukum” (your day) and “yawmuhum” (their day) and yawma’idhin (on that day), because if he had done that, he would have got a different number.

Reckoning time by the moon and the new moons was well known to the Prophets and their peoples, and reckoning time by the sun was only known to the ignorant followers of false religions, but unfortunately many Muslims follow them nowadays.

These connections are based on the solar calendar, which is a calendar that was inherited from idolatrous nations, and which was of no significance to the Prophets (blessing and peace be upon them). Rather the calendar that counts in sharee’ah is the calendar that is based on the moon and new moons, which is more precise.

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[Talha777]

Dr. Fahd al-Roomi said something similar about the selective way in which Dr ‘Abd al-Razzaaq Nawfal chose words in order to reach this numerical balance, such as when he said: The word yawm (day) is mentioned 365 times in the Qur’aan, the number of days in a year. In order to prove this he counted the words “al-yawm” and “yawman” but he ignored words such as “yawmukum” (your day) and “yawmuhum” (their day) and yawma’idhin (on that day), because if he had done that, he would have got a different number.

If he counted the word yawmukum and yawmuhum and other variations than that does not mean simply day anymore. Only the word day (yawm) was counted, and that is more logical.

Reckoning time by the moon and the new moons was well known to the Prophets and their peoples, and reckoning time by the sun was only known to the ignorant followers of false religions, but unfortunately many Muslims follow them nowadays.

Irrelevant

These connections are based on the solar calendar, which is a calendar that was inherited from idolatrous nations, and which was of no significance to the Prophets (blessing and peace be upon them). Rather the calendar that counts in sharee’ah is the calendar that is based on the moon and new moons, which is more precise.

Calculations are based on solar calendar, so this is a miracle most relevant to those who follow it.

 

[Trumble]

Yahya has excelled himself this time! It's a good thing for Islam that real intellectuals like Yusuf Estes are around as well.

Surely you can see that if you (using a computer, say, for speed) counted the number of times each word that occurs in the Qur'an occurs, and then match up all those that occur the same number of times you are bound to end up with several combos with such tenous links as 'disaster' and 'thanks', 'benefit and corrupt', 'mind' and 'light' (?) and so on. Not just in the Qur'an but in any book of similar length you care to name. I don't mean to be unkind, but I really find it hard to believe anybody who gave it a moment's thought could be taken in by such nonsense.

 

[Talha777]

Not just in the Qur'an but in any book of similar length you care to name

Since you are a Buddhist and this is your contention, than I humbly ask you to provide me with some mathematic miracles from your Tripitaka. Unless you can do this, you should keep quiet otherwise you will be humiliated.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

If he counted the word yawmukum and yawmuhum and other variations than that does not mean simply day anymore. Only the word day (yawm) was counted, and that is more logical.

The raticle says the word yawman was also counted. What does it mean?
And anyway, it isn't more logical. "His day" is still a single day. Arabic apparently doesn't have seperate words for possesive pronouns which doesn't change the singleness of "his day".
Anyway, I agree with Trumble. Such coincidences are bound to be found in all lenghty books.

Irrelevant

Calculations are based on solar calendar, so this is a miracle most relevant to those who follow it.

Why is it irrelevant? Muslims are ussually strongly opposed to connecting pagan stuf with Islam. I guess, when it comes to miracles, everything is allowed, even music (which can be found in all miracle videos).