Mom Beats Man With Baseball Bat For Allegedly Molesting Her Sons

[islamica]

So being a maniac trying to kill some one with a baseball bat shows how much you love your "kids"? Maybe I should chase some one around the supermarket with a chainsaw if they bump their trolly into one of my "kids", to show how much I love them.

Better to smach his skull in for groping your kids then to tell your kid go ask him for some more love. Like i said, you wouldn't understand, it takes real maternal/paternal love to protect your kids, ---.

 

[faithandpeace]

Atheists trying to teach Muslims on an Islamic forum about justice? I suppose they will be speaking at our masjids next? BTW, I do like much of the gun rights in the U.S. When someone's mother, wife, or daughter is being raped and killed the nearest officer is likely occupied with a radar gun in his hands, a cup of coffee in his lap, and a donut in his mouth unable to help. A gun will solve such problems. Self defense and protection of one's family and community is a human right and a duty and an Islamic value.

 

[observer]

A gun will solve such problems. .

Except that American gun laws have demonstrably not made anyone safer. Look at the murder rate!

 

[sister herb]

Better to smach his skull in for groping your kids then to tell your kid go ask him for some more love. Like i said, you wouldn't understand, it takes real maternal/paternal love to protect your kids, animals understand it better than most of your kind.

Salam alaykum

Is this what islam teach? Learn to behave like animals? Better to take law to your own hands without proper evidences and forget that there is a law and judges?

hew

 

[Hulk]

If it is asked: who is it that should carry out this hadd punishment for zina?

The answer is:

No one should carry out the hadd punishments without the permission of the ruler. If there is no ruler who rules according to sharee’ah then it is not permissible for the ordinary people to carry out the hadd punishments. Whoever does that is sinning, because carrying out the hadd punishments requires examining the matter and requires shar’i knowledge in order to know the conditions of proof.

The ordinary people have no knowledge of such things, and the carrying out of one of the hadd punishments by the ordinary people leads to many evils and the loss of security, whereby people will attack one another and kill one another or chop off one another’s hands on the grounds that they are carrying out hadd punishments.

Al-Qurtubi said:

There is no dispute among the scholars that qisaas (retaliatory punishments) such as execution cannot be carried out except by those in authority who are obliged to carry out the qisaas and carry out hadd punishments etc, because Allaah has addressed the command regarding qisaas to all the Muslims, and it is not possible for all the Muslims to get together to carry out the qisaas, which is why they appointed a leader who may represent them in carrying out the qisaas and hadd punishments.

Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 2/245, 246.

Ibn Rushd al-Qurtubi said:

With regard to the one who should carry out this punishment – i.e., the hadd punishment for drinking alcohol – they agreed that the ruler should carry it out, and that applies to all the hadd punishments.

Source

 

[جوري]

Except that American gun laws have demonstrably not made anyone safer. Look at the murder rate!

Gun laws of the U.S were initially passed to keep the govt. in check a govt. that governs least governs best type thing. More restriction on guns guarantees only criminals walking around with them- they're not exactly scrupulous at obtaining or using them. Meanwhile the rest are powerless and helpless to govt. thugs and criminals alike
So enjoy that brave new world!

 

[observer]

Gun laws of the U.S were initially passed to keep the govt. in check a govt. that governs least governs best type thing. More restriction on guns guarantees only criminals walking around with them- they're not exactly scrupulous at obtaining or using them. Meanwhile the rest are powerless and helpless to govt. thugs and criminals alike
So enjoy that brave new world!

And it was a good idea at the time perhaps. But there are no militias now in the same way as back then. Times change.

The idea that gun controls mean criminals running riot with guns while the gunless public cowers in their houses is absolutely ludicrous. The rest of the world doesn't have the gun problem the US does. In the UK and Europe as a whole gun crime is still a relatively rare thing.

More guns = more safety is utter NRA nonsense.

 

[جوري]

And it was a good idea at the time perhaps. But there are no militias now in the same way as back then. Times change.

:haha: then I urge you to have a look again at history with a more keen discerning eye. The newbies didn't amass all that land by being one with govt. that wasn't even formed.

The idea that gun controls mean criminals running riot with guns while the gunless public cowers in their houses is absolutely ludicrous. The rest of the world doesn't have the gun problem the US does. In the UK and Europe as a whole gun crime is still a relatively rare thing.

ludicrous doesn't an argument make. You should form a complete soci-economic and geo-political picture before reaching a conclusion.

More guns = more safety is utter NRA nonsense.

Nothing at all to do with safety and everything to do with a good system of checks and balances. People give up their rights out of fear of oppression by their govt. not out of a desire for safety. In fact the U.S now is equivalent to any third world country in terms of despotic govt. and a very ailing economy. And sadly no spiritual compass to keep the folks in check naturally. Crime happens because of all those factors.

best,

 

[Muhammad]

I think this thread has gone on for long enough and it does not look like it is getting anywhere, so let us leave it here :ia:.

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