Morsi - What did he do?

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sister herb said:
Of my mind they showed great lack of understanding of realism of the political economy.
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I think the main problem for Morsi is that because of the size of the Brotherhood's victory he became tone-deaf to the concerns of the opposition. A more cunning political operator might have been able to placate the opposition and prevent the protests from even manifesting. The sad thing is, I think that if the Brotherhood had been allowed to continue its term in office it is entirely possible it would have learned how to effectively govern. I don't think it is impossible for Islamists to successfully participate in a democracy. The Justice and Development Party (AKP) in Turkey is an example, though there was heavy handedness towards protests there and their is a hostile environment for journalists I mainly think that is because of the personality flaws of Prime Minister Erdogan. In general the AKP has done a good job in consolidating Turkey's democracy and building its economy. I think that once Erdogan is gone Abdullah Gul becomes president things will improve even more.
 
sister herb said:
^^ And there is no mistakes what Morsi/MB did during they time they were in rule?
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List to me his mistakes and we will discuss them if you dare truly!


sister herb said:
What are the basics of the economy of the Egypt?
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They gave him Egypt with funds of 16 billion when with Mubarak it was 63 billion, he was already starting from an impossible place, they didn't want him to succeed and still he went to Sudan to plant wheat there, he went to China, he went to Qatar and started fantastic new projects which were surprisingly successful in spite of the gross pressures on him and the fact that he and his family were very much prisoners since the day he stepped into office. And everyone knows who truly held the card with the crisis Israel started and of course they couldn't have that, they couldn't have Israel exposed before the world's eyes. If you proclaim to love the Palis and their cause then know that along with the MB they're too labeled terrorists and Rafah has been closed stopping any type of aid going on to a people already under siege- the Egyptian leadership that likes nude beaches considers Israel a friend and Muslims an enemy, they also enabled Israeli raids in Sinai last week which is in breech of the peace agreement but hey they were 'terrorists' so drink up because Mursi was so awful!
sister herb said:
Tourism? Pyramids? Before some islamists gave the idea that all those idols of the older worships should destroy as they are un-islamic statues
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Please bring me relevant articles that said the MB wanted to do any of those things.. If you're talking of hizb inoor, everyone knows they're amn idawla in beards. They just set them to confuse some of the ignorant and do enough damage on state media before the world's eyes.. isn't it amazing that no one has heard anything from those people when they were a complete separate party since the coup? What is your explanation to that I wonder? hmm?


sister herb said:
Please, hopely we could stop some personal attacks here - here is no team herb at all. Could we try to discuss here without too high tensions?
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I am not attacking you, I am asking you to validate what you write, don't accuse and start with a tirade against people you know nothing about, nothing of the politics and doing your part in keeping others in the fog, made up fog and for that you'll be responsible before God. So think before you write is all!
 
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I am sad to learn of your decision and I am sure I'll lose sleep over it :D

As for what did Mursi do during his year in office -- well here are some of Mursi's monumental achievements even with the extreme duress he was under:

الصحيفة أكدت أن قوة مرسي أمكن ملاحظتها في عدة أحداث مرت بمصر، وأوضحت أنه في ظل المظاهرات الشديدة التي كانت في عهد الدكتور مرسي والتي ضربت مصر من شمالها لجنوبها بقيادة أجهزه المخابرات العامة والحربية، إلا أن الصمود المذهل للرئيس مرسي في وجه الدولة العميقة أذهل خصومه المعارضين أنفسهم، بحسب "لموزيه نيوز" الفرنسية.

وأضافت بقولها: وتجد أنه في ظل التوترات الشديدة هذه قامت حكومة هشام قنديل بتدشين مشروعات عملاقة مثل مشروع تطوير خط الملاحة الدولى بقناة السويس الذي كان سيجلب لمصر 100 مليار دولار سنويا، والبدء في مشروع بناء 35 صومعة قمح على مستوى الجمهورية، مما كان سيحول مصر إلى اكتفاء ذاتي في القمح خلال ثلاث سنوات.

كما ألقت الصحيفة الفرنسية بالضوء على مشروع استصلاح أراضٍ زراعية للمصريين في السودان، وكذلك مشروع ربط مصر بالسودان ومشروع صناعة أول طائرة حربية مصرية مشتركة مع البرازيل وتركيا، ومشروع طائرة إسعاف على الطرق السريعة لنقل مصابي الحوادث، ومشروع تنمية سيناء، ومشروع مد خط مياه إلى مدينة مطروح وغيرها من المشاريع العملاقة.

stick it in google translate and read before you write!

justification and undertone of biting sarcasm- Hollande's approval ratings were 29% percent at some point, I didn't see the same crowd who'd justify, gloat or brush aside the death of thousands demand he be removed through a coup. Even if I subscribe to the notion that he did absolutely nothing in his stay in office, it is as if someone signed up for a four hour exam and then the proctor decided you'll fail anyway and takes away the exam papers after one hour.

you're nothing if not amusing!
 
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sister herb said:
oops sorry then. Anyways; I put you to my ignore list - just that I don´t write here something non-islamic comments to you soon.

Have a nice day, my sister in islam.

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Sorry, I dont agree with all points the sister mentioned but this is escapist at its best. She only wanted you to list some mistakes the MB did, not that its anything wrong with that. The sister doesnt lable you as a munafiq or kafir when you have disagreements with the MB.
 
There are certainly three types of people in this situation. Kaffirs and we know their position. Munafiqs which are the worse of the lot because of them people die in massacres and they never seem to have enough blood or carnage and the ignorant and that's simply unforgivable- they speak when they've no business speaking and they spread falsehood through ignorance and then their pride gets in the way so they don't even modify their comments after learning but go on spreading their ideas of what things are or how they ought to be without evincing it- just a waste of effort of the person who spent their time trying to illuminate the situation for them!
 
Lol I've been posting a lot of definitions recently due to the gross diversions and blatant misconstruction of terms,This one fit the bill well on pages one and two of this thread, and nearly all the other threads because they always seem veer off on a tangent with references and stereotypes that really make the blood boil and disrupt any possibility of on topic harmony.
In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,by posting inflammatory,extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
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I mean why on earth would anyone revert to attacks with mentions of "7th century" and "marital rape" which will obviously stir emotions and provoke a reaction taking the thread off topic. I have a brother who used to do that with me after starting silly debates for the sole purpose of getting a reaction.Anyways, back to Morsi,I personally feel there is a difference between ruling and being oppressed and blackmailed,And a lot of the non-Islamic things Morsi (obviously not out of his own full discretion) agreed to were due to external pressure and a will to do his best given the situation. The military itself was a patsy of the U.S and probably accounted for more than 90% of the practical vote in decision making (the theoretical vote being that of the population). Aside from that there were the mischief makers controlling the media watching and waiting to portray his every move in a negative light. That is NOT rule, and just like we can't blame Yusuf (as) for not implementing shariah in Egypt, I personally do not believe that we can lay the blame for unislamic or not fully islamic rulings squarely on the shoulders of Morsi, But ultimately it becomes clear that (as it always has been) that this is not the ideal form of governance and in this critical stage, the creator of the heavens and earth willed it that people would take many lessons from it and know the truthful from the liars, and that it would light a passion in the hearts of millions who would otherwise have been neither here, nor there.I believe his biggest mistake was trying to pretend he was in full control when he wasn't.it's unlawful in Islam to pay bribes, but when a bent cop stops my motorbike and I know he wants a bit, can you blame me for digging into my pockets and shaking his hand out of fear of running around from office to office to get my papers released?I'd put it down to fear of more oppression and claim that I didn't do it willingly.Whereas in this country, we have "sheikh" hasina who feigns to be Muslim yet the whole country knows she is an enemy of Islam. I don't believe they are the same.Anyway, what is clear is that this form of governance is not ideal and the truthful have become quite clear from the liars, and that only happens in times of distress, that's when the deceivers rear their ugly heads.أَم حَسِبتُم أَن تُترَكوا وَلَمّا يَعلَمِ اللَّهُ الَّذينَ جٰهَدوا مِنكُم وَلَم يَتَّخِذوا مِن دونِ اللَّهِ وَلا رَسولِهِ وَلَا المُؤمِنينَ وَليجَةً ۚ وَاللَّهُ خَبيرٌ بِما تَعمَلونَOr think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Messenger, and the (community of) Believers? But Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do.
 
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Mursi said three little words in his state address that sealed his fate, especially that he worked actively to achieve them.
Self-sufficiency in food (and he he had a joint venture with Sudan which has many fertile lands) which the U.S prevents it from planting -Yes they do look it up
2- Make our own weapons and he didn't look to Russia or the U.S for that he wanted to be freed of their grip and started with projects with North Korea and Brazil, make our own medicine.. and pay the debt through his expansion of the Suez Canal project which Emirates wanted for itself and they've already paid a couple of billions to take it out of Egyptian hands when it could have made it debt free in a matter of a decade...

So you know you know, army generals get 1.3 billion yearly from the U.S in aid and their doctrine is that of the U.S 'war on terrorism. type crap. israel just droned in Sinai last week and that was applauded and the Egyptian media is a *****, they're either rude to outside reports pls see video I've posted or they cut their coverage and throw them in prison as is the case of Al Jazeera crew even though they've a license there.. and no one is spared their venom even Abu trekka number 22 from the Egyptian team for providing generators to the slain protestors of Rabia and Nahda..

but you're right, let's play candy land with pink cobras and discuss marital rape and 7 c Islam and other people's pet peeves :)

best,
 
Jedi_Mindset said:
Sorry, I dont agree with all points the sister mentioned but this is escapist at its best. She only wanted you to list some mistakes the MB did, not that its anything wrong with that. The sister doesnt lable you as a munafiq or kafir when you have disagreements with the MB.
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Salam alaykum

I understood that but sometimes it is better to put some ice to the hat (chilling discussion) to avoid too personal comments (mods dislike kind of situations in general). I like to discuss here about matter, not personal opinions or persons whose have kind of (opposite) opinions.

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As WarriorforMarie mentioned, the worst mistake was forget the opposition. Also forget the political reality they live - that in Egypt has been and still has very strong army what takes part to daily politics. Other mistake was socio-economic situation: from where this huge population get its money (what kind of industry in Egypt has?), where people get they jobs, money for living, do they possible needs loans from outside... and what is price to get them? Political price?
 
Egypt is the world's producer of the best cotton, under mursi's term he started an Egyptian made iPad and various joint ventures with Sudan, brazil and North Korea - the suez canal project would have been sufficient to pay the debts and in fact a portion of it was being paid - they simply don't want Egypt to be self sufficient- resident trolls don't know more about Egypt than Egyptians and should take a hike or go and do an actual report instead if hiding behind the screens and speaking as if authority figures!
 
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lm3J1f3Q2Gs here's an Egyptian scientist up for Nobel not that I think much of that prize helping Japan in its nuclear crisis surprise surprise there are decent countries in the world outside of the US and Europe which love brilliant minds without political gains!
 
tearose said:
As you know it is not allowed in Islam to earn money through haraam means, and there are many haraam elements involved in the tourist industry, such as alcohol, free mixing, inappropriate dress etc. not to mention people going to visit the remains of the ancient Egyptian civilisation with the wrong attitude. If any Islamists wanted the country to move away from that industry I would support them.
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Salam alaykum

That is all true what you wrote. As muslim I have to admit it. But. From where all those workers of the tourist services could get halal jobs? The government - any kind of government in Egypt would fall when millions unemployeds will go to the streets to demend the bread! What they should ask from tourists? Use niqab when you go to swim to the Red Sea or to the Mediterranean Sea? Different seashores to men and women (when families comes there to have holiday together)? Mecca Cola? Destroy pyramids and give free Qurans to the tourists whose come there looking for sun and ancient Egypt?

Morsi or Sisi - just same when man can´t earn living to his family.
 
sister herb said:
Salam alaykum

That is all true what you wrote. As muslim I have to admit it. But. From where all those workers of the tourist services could get halal jobs? The government - any kind of government in Egypt would fall when millions unemployeds will go to the streets to demend the bread! What they should ask from tourists? Use niqab when you go to swim to the Red Sea or to the Mediterranean Sea? Different seashores to men and women (when families comes there to have holiday together)? Mecca Cola? Destroy pyramids and give free Qurans to the tourists whose come there looking for sun and ancient Egypt?

Morsi or Sisi - just same when man can´t earn living to his family.
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A functional economy is a self-sufficient one in which the majority of goods are produced locally (within the state's borders) and whatever cannot be feasibly produced locally can be traded with other nations. Part of the recipe for ultimate failure in any economy in my opinion is a reliance on too much of the service industry. Look at the U.S. and ask yourself what is actually produced here? Nothing. It is all restaurants and office buildings essentially. Having a country such as Egypt based primarily on just people visiting the place to see things doesn't make sense either. In both examples the U.S. and Egypt will have to rely on foreign lands to sustain their own economies.

In any case, haram is haram. I don't see why Western tourism cannot be a part of the economy but it should not be resulting in an erosion of Islamic values and policies just to cater to the dollar bill.
 
Salam alaykum

Sure functional economy is self-sufficient but is economy of Egypt functional? ^o)
 
Faith and peace I don't wish to descend to the game play practiced by middle aged teenagers on this board but this merits s reply based on what you wrote and the reply to it I can tell most of it just flew over head!
 
They give 1.3 billion out of 1.5 to the military so they can coup against the elected president drone Sinai ( not two weeks ago) and keep the debacle of a peace treaty to keep Israel safe and close rafah capice? Now that you do hopefully you can understand why 'peace and love' don't work the enemy expects it from you but don't adhere to it themselves - this isn't candy land it's real life!
 
Salam alaykum

Whose are those attack against Egyptians in Sinai? The Western media claims sometimes they comes from Gaza and represent "Al-Qaeda" but Gaza is under control of Hamas who doesn´t accept Al-Qaeda at all. Also Hamas has no interest to attack against Egyptian groups over border (that would be very stupid at all).
 
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I read almost all the posts of this thread, and I still have no clear clue whether Morsi was good or bad. More than half of the posts are irrelevant, and way away from the actual topic. Please, keep it civil and relevant. There are lots of us who need proper information, and if an Islamic forum as well starts behaving like the media then I think we have to accept the suffering as our fate.
 
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