Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'

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This contradicts itself. In liberal democracy, You cant persecute anyone based on religion/race/skin colour. In liberal democracy You cant forbid gays to adopt children, as well as You cant forbid a muslim to be a prime minister who then opens the gates to immigrants. Actually in liberal democracy, Your words about limitting the number of muslims to Europe are unaccaptable. This is the language of Jorg Heider, language of fascism. In liberal democracy such issues like the ethnic or religious features are unacceptable. This is the strict following of "Freedom,Equality,Brotherhood". At last in liberal democracy it doesnt matter if a country Slovakia is inhabited by 3 millions of sympathic Pakistanis. Any words warning against it are undemocratic, they are fascist. This is the legacy of "Liberté - Egalité - Fraternité". That is why this girl supports this rule in France, although that in Morocco she would treat it as Kufr idea.[
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the real problem is this - in a liberal democracy its a free choice to live your life the way you want - why are other majority groups not increasing so much - its a failure on your own parts - if you want to sustain your idea you have to make comprimises - the Question is can you give up some things up to keep your views and ideas sustained or do they want to live your hednostic lifestyle? many people dont want to give up there hednositc lifestyle - i find it higly ironic realy - and they complain?
 
The Ruler said:
Muslim mothers probably pop out 10 times more kids than other mothers. So the stats isn't surprising at all.
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actually Jews pop out even more than Muslims:
with an average of 7 to 8 children per family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Square,_New_York

the only difference is, that Jews view God as solely theirs, whilst the gentiles can go wherever, it doesn't matter.. but God isn't exclusive to a 'chosen few', hence though amongst themselves they have quite a large off spring population, they remain homogeneous amongst themselves and not let in outsiders, makes them unsuccessful as well in the scheme of the bigger picture..

:w:
 
Gossamer skye said:
The core of secularism:
advocates freedoms as such it is beginning to backfire on them...
to be homosexual, to sleep around and not commit to a woman, to drink alcohol, to have children via insemination if at all.. none of these foster a family unit.. I bring up alcohol amongst others because it can lower sperm count. Actually each thing I have mentioned up which goes against Islamic principles also thwarts their own effort at a homogeneous Europe but they are not realizing that they are in fact bringing it upon themselves but desire a scapegoat in the form of 'Muslims' for it is easier to blame their own failures than own up to them!

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salaam

exactly - its easy to blame the "immigarants" or the muslims like the BNP but the real fact is that in a liberal democracy its a free choice to live your life the way you want - these people are worried because of there own failures. All the hednostic lifestyle is backfiring as you said.
 
Zafran said:
salaam

exactly - its easy to blame the "immigarants" or the muslims like the BNP but the real fact is that in a liberal democracy its a free choice to live your life the way you want - these people are worried because of there own failures. All the hednostic lifestyle is backfiring as you said.
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Yes, you can, that's why we can't limit people already here, but the liberal demcoracy dosn't prevent stopping new ones cooming in.
It's true, Europans don't have enough babies, and there's not gionna be a rapid increase in birth rates any time soon, so the only way to protect Europe and its hedonistic lifesytle is taking it up to the immigrants who threaten to overtake the continent.
 
aadil77 said:
somali mothers probably 20 times more
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But the average Muslim birth rates in Europe aren't that higher than those of the nativ population and they're slowly decreasing. Muslims too are not immune to the effects of secularism and the economic standards.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
immigrants who threaten to overtake the continent.
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haha looks like that bothers you quite a bit, no ones making any threats and who knows it might just come about naturally with the people already here, then what?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Yes, you can, that's why we can't limit people already here, but the liberal demcoracy dosn't prevent stopping new ones cooming in.
It's true, Europans don't have enough babies, and there's not gionna be a rapid increase in birth rates any time soon, so the only way to protect Europe and its hedonistic lifesytle is taking it up to the immigrants who threaten to overtake the continent.
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hedonism isn't the norm so of course it will be over taken..

you don't pig out everyday and decide for healthy food on Saturday and expect that, that should keep you safe from harm..

you don't smoke all your life and quit after you end up with small cell ca. and expect that now quitting will reverse the situation.

If you choose Hedonism for a life style, porn, alcohol, homosexuality and BCP then you'll become extinct, it is your own doing..
what is this interesting philosophy of yours?, if I am going to go down, I'll take everyone else with me?
I am afraid it doesn't work that way-- perhaps a shift in gears and a change in priorities might salvage Europe, but then they'll have to become that which they so despise!

all the best
 
KAding said:
I'll be honest, I'm not thrilled by such news.
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To be honest, I can't see why you'd feel that way. As you recognise later in that same post, religious adherence is memetic, not genetic. Birth rates are therefore fallacious to be either disappointed or thrilled about in this context.
 
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Whatsthepoint said:
But the average Muslim birth rates in Europe aren't that higher than those of the nativ population and they're slowly decreasing. Muslims too are not immune to the effects of secularism and the economic standards.
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maybe, but you don't know about our somali brothers theres new ones being born everyday, I reckon at this rate there'll be more somali muslims in this country than pakistani muslims in a few years.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
But the average Muslim birth rates in Europe aren't that higher than those of the nativ population and they're slowly decreasing. Muslims too are not immune to the effects of secularism and the economic standards.
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well why are you not producing that many children??? are you not to blame for that??? are you willing make sacrifices like the somlia mother has?

edit - The birth rates of muslims is higher watch the video below.
 
aadil77 said:
haha looks like that bothers you quite a bit, no ones making any threats and who knows it might just come about naturally with the people already here, then what?
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Then it will be our own fault for not stopping immigration in time.
 
who knows maybe it is-- maybe it is maybe it isn't?.. I love their fears though.. it tickles me on a level..

all the best
 
Whatsthepoint said:
It is higher, though this vido is exagerated.
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how is it exaggerated??? whats your prrof on that

1 - the article
2 - the video

show higher birth rates of muslims - why arnt other populations doing the same? can they not make sacrifices? immigrants is a scape goat for peoples own failures.
 
Zafran said:
well why are you not producing that many children??? are you not to blame for that??? are you willing make sacrifices like the somlia mother has?

edit - The birth rates of muslims is higher watch the video below.
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As much as we can't force the somalian immigrant to have less children, we can't force natives to have more.
The only legal way to decrease the Muslim growth in europe is and end to Muslim immigration.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
As much as we can't force the somalian immigrant to have less children, we can't force natives to have more.
The only legal way to decrease the Muslim growth in europe is and end to Muslim immigration.
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how when the Muslims population of europe NOT immigrants are producing the children. reducing immigertaion does nothing whats so ever. Maybe the non muslims need to produce more children and give up there hednostic lifestyle and take some sacrifices - which is what life has always been about - if people are not doing it - then why compalin? is there own fault.
 
Zafran said:
how is it exaggerated??? whats your prrof on that

1 - the article
2 - the video

show higher birth rates of muslims - why arnt other populations doing the same? can they not make sacrifices? immigrants is a scape goat for peoples own failures.
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It is higher but not as much as the video claims and the video doesn't say that with firther gnerations of immigrants birth rates decrease, mostly due to the fact that they achieve an economic status their parents and grandparents did not have.
I wouldn't call it a failure, its a different culture and lifestyle, luckily many people now see how massive immigration may ruin it all, so they're limiting it.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
It is higher but not as much as the video claims and the video doesn't say that with firther gnerations of immigrants birth rates decrease, mostly due to the fact that they achieve an economic status their parents and grandparents did not have.
I wouldn't call it a failure, its a different culture and lifestyle, luckily many people now see how massive immigration may ruin it all, so they're limiting it.
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again this preety much "hypothetical" right? because the article shows that the birth increase is the real problem from european muslims rather then immigeration.

how when the Muslims population of europe NOT immigrants are producing the children. reducing immigertaion does nothing whats so ever. Maybe the non muslims need to produce more children and give up there hednostic lifestyle and take some sacrifices - which is what life has always been about - if people are not doing it - then why compalin? is there own fault.
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The real problem is the failure of there own part.
 
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