Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'

[Clover]

What particular Islamic law? There is so many of them.

Any of them that take away the freedom of any American Citizen or force them to do something contradicting to their rights, and anything that gives Islam a edge over other religions.

 

[جوري]

Would you suggest the same for Turkey?

No, Just England..

 

[GuestFellow]

Any of them that take away the freedom of any American Citizen or force them to do something contradicting to their rights, and anything that gives Islam a edge over other religions.

If there were an Islamic government, we would not force you to convert to a Muslim or fulfil certain practices that are done by a Muslim.

Majority of the Shariah law is based upon Muslims.

 

[Clover]

If there were an Islamic government, we would not force you to convert to a Muslim or fulfil certain practices that are done by a Muslim.

Majority of the Shariah law is based upon Muslims.

That doesn't matter, if it does any of what I stated, then I'd fight against it with all my might till killed, cause it threatens America's democracy that my family has been fighting for since we fought England for independance.

 

[GuestFellow]

That doesn't matter, if it does any of what I stated, then I'd fight against it with all my might till killed, cause it threatens America's democracy that my family has been fighting for since we fought England for independance.

Your rights will not be affected because majority of the Shariah law is applicable to Muslims. You’re not Muslims, so it is not applicable for you. Therefore, your rights are not affected.


How does it threaten democracy? In a Islamic based country, you can still vote for your government?

 

[Clover]

Your rights will not be affected because majority of the Shariah law is applicable to Muslims. You’re not Muslims, so it is not applicable for you. Therefore, your rights are not affected.


How does it threaten democracy? In a Islamic based country, you can still vote for your government?

If it gives Muslims rights over others, or an edge in anyway, then my rights are affected.

I do not know, thats why I said if it does, not that it does. Maybe so, but if the government is tainted by Islam edges of any sort, then it's not a real democracy.

 

[GuestFellow]

If it gives Muslims rights over others, or an edge in anyway, then my rights are affected.

It won't. For example, all Muslims are told to pay Zakat. A part of the five pillars of Islam. You will not need to do that, since you are not a Muslim.

I do not know, thats why I said if it does, not that it does. Maybe so, but if the government is tainted by Islam edges of any sort, then it's not a real democracy.

An Islamic government elected is democratic process. You fail to explain how it is not democracy.

A democratic government shall represent all the views of people. Whether Muslims or not Muslims.

 

[Clover]

It won't. For example, all Muslims are told to pay Zakat. A part of the five pillars of Islam. You will not need to do that, since you are not a Muslim.




An Islamic government elected is democratic process. You fail to explain how it is not democracy.

A democratic government shall represent all the views of people. Whether Muslims or not Muslims.

That doesn't affect my rights, correct.

I AM NOT SAYING IT DOES. (I caps that cause you seem to think I am saying it is).

I am not going to keep repeating myself.

 

[GuestFellow]

That doesn't affect my rights, correct.

I AM NOT SAYING IT DOES. (I caps that cause you seem to think I am saying it is).

I am not going to keep repeating myself.

Sure.

Care to explain how Shariah law WILL affect your rights?

 

[جوري]

I don't think you actually understand what democracy means?
by definition: A political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them..

In Islam folks elect (mobaya3a) their leader to govern by Islamic jurisprudence.
If the majority of people desire to be governed by Islamic jurisprudence then you are not at all stepping outside the definition of democracy..

Now, I'd refrain from you commenting on what Islamic jurisprudence is and what it compasses, since like medical or law school it takes years to be a scholar and knowledgeable in.

 

[Clover]

Sure.

Care to explain how Shariah law WILL affect your rights?

You apparently have no clue what my posts were about. I was telling you if they somehow did, then I'd fight them, I never said they did, I have repeated that and I will not again. This ends the conversation.

I don't think you actually understand what democracy means?
by definition: A political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them..

In Islam folks elect (mobaya3a) their leader to govern by Islamic jurisprudence.
If the majority of people desire to be governed by Islamic jurisprudence then you are not at all stepping outside the definition of democracy..

Now, I'd refrain from you commenting on what Islamic jurisprudence is and what it compasses, since like medical or law school it takes years to be a scholar and knowledgeable in.

Yes, thank you, I am a 10th grader who takes Honors US History, and I didn't know what democracy is. (sarcasm is dripping off the mouth after the foam).

I didn't plan on commenting on it, cause I have no clue what the word jurisprudence is.

 

[GuestFellow]

I don't think you actually understand what democracy means?
by definition: A political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them..

In Islam folks elect (mobaya3a) their leader to govern by Islamic jurisprudence.
If the majority of people desire to be governed by Islamic jurisprudence then you are not at all stepping outside the definition of democracy..

Now, I'd refrain from you commenting on what Islamic jurisprudence is and what it compasses, since like medical or law school it takes years to be a scholar and knowledgeable in.

Sure.

I was taking examples from Muslim populated countries like Iran. A Muslim country, however they elected a party to represent them.

You apparently have no clue what my posts were about. I was telling you if they somehow did, then I'd fight them, I never said they did, I have repeated that and I will not again. This ends the conversation.

Sorry if I misunderstood the point you were trying to portray.

 

[جوري]

Yes, thank you, I am a 10th grader who takes Honors US History, and I didn't know what democracy is. (sarcasm is dripping off the mouth after the foam).

I didn't plan on commenting on it, cause I have no clue what the word jurisprudence is.

You fail to reconcile your understanding of Democracy with why Islam is the anti-democracy?

Jurisprudence: is a branch of philosophy concerned with the law and the principles that lead courts to make the decisions they do...

Which if indeed if you learned, you might just find it more sane, than (amongst other things) a trial by 12 under-educated idiots lifted off the streets to judge your fate...

Have you see a doctor on trial? do you think the 12 jurors in such a case are ever of the doctor's 'peers'? just as an example..

You can't comment on a system, you don't know much about, save what they are teaching you on fox news..

all the best

 

[جوري]

Sure.

I was taking examples from Muslim populated countries like Iran. A Muslim country, however they elected a party to represent them.
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salaamz akhi, my comment was to Clover not you, my humble apologies..

 

[GuestFellow]

salaamz akhi, my comment was to Clover not you, my humble apologies..

It's fine. XD

As a brief overview, I think some Westerners have insecurities about Islam. They believe Islam shall take over and take away people's rights. :/

 

[Clover]

You fail to reconcile your understanding of Democracy with why Islam is the anti-democracy?

Jurisprudence: is a branch of philosophy concerned with the law and the principles that lead courts to make the decisions they do...

Which if indeed if you learned, you might just find it more sane, than (amongst other things) a trial by 12 under-educated idiots lifted off the streets to judge your fate...

Have you see a doctor on trial? do you think the 12 jurors in such a case are ever of the doctor's 'peers'? just as an example..

You can't comment on a system, you don't know much about, save what they are teaching you on fox news..

all the best

I NEVER SAID ISLAM WAS ANTI-DEMOCRACY. I said if any of its laws were, I'd fight it, I have had to repeat that twice, now thrice.

How would you know all 12 are under-educated?

I never commented on it, be respectful.

 

[GuestFellow]

I NEVER SAID ISLAM WAS ANTI-DEMOCRACY.

Calm down.

I said if any of its laws were, I'd fight it, I have had to repeat that twice, now thrice.

We got the message.

 

[Clover]

Calm down.



We got the message.

I am calm, I was using Caps so maybe she would see the text.

Get it, Got it, Good :exhausted

 

[جوري]

I NEVER SAID ISLAM WAS ANTI-DEMOCRACY. I said if any of its laws were, I'd fight it, I have had to repeat that twice, now thrice.

How would you know all 12 are under-educated?

I never commented on it, be respectful.

Greetings..

I comment because I have been called to Jury duty, and every time they have specifically weeded out, anyone working in health care, anyone with a law degree, anyone who is a professor with a PhD in any discipline that is capable of swaying the body of jurors.. then you end up with folks being awarded millions for a cup of coffee that is hot that has spilled on them, or for tripping because they wore high heels, or because their panties had pearls that flew over and knocked their eyes out.. sadly the folks who award idiots such sums of money, don't understand that it usually comes out of the tax payers pocket especially if a suit against the city with a substantial sum (just as an example of course):

http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2009/06/_in_1994_a_jury.html

I think folks fear what they don't know, not because it is a threat to them, but because it is unfamiliar.. sometimes the unfamiliar is better and more sensical, though you are certainly entitled to your opinion..

all the best

 

[Clover]

Greetings..

I comment because I have been called to Jury duty, and every time they have specifically weeded out, anyone working in health care, anyone with a law degree, anyone who is a professor with a PhD in any discipline that is capable of swaying the body of jurors.. then you end up with folks being awarded millions for a cup of coffee that is hot that has spilled on them, or for tripping because they wore high heels, or because their panties had pearls that flew over and knocked their eyes out.. sadly the folks who award idiots such sums of money, don't understand that it usually comes out of the tax payers pocket especially if a suit against the city with a substantial sum (just as an example of course):

http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2009/06/_in_1994_a_jury.html

I think folks fear what they don't know, not because it is a threat to them, but because it is unfamiliar.. sometimes the unfamiliar is better and more sensical, though you are certainly entitled to your opinion..

all the best

I cannot help that, I have no right to vote...yet.

If you think I fear Islam, then your wrong. I fear that Islam's laws might make democracy no longer fair, and make the US turn into a dictatorship or something else, and make our constitution wrong. I do not know all of Islam's laws, thats why I said IF they do, not that they do.