Muslim teacher suspended over handshake

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Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

These exceptions are allowed in some countries and organizations and not others. Personally, I strongly disagree with the exceptions, and actively oppose them.
What ever happened to freedom of expression?
 
Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

My point exactly. This is what others see when they see an exception being made for somebody.

You misunderstand my quote, NO employment laws i have ever come across make it mandatory to shake hands.

However, when a nation, in this case the Netherlands, wishes to make a point, it invents it!!!

The Islamaphobes are working overtime to create issues where none ever existed.
 
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However, when a nation, in this case the Netherlands, wishes to make a point, it invents it!!!
You must provide proof of this in order for it to be worthy of comment. At this point I believe you are making this accusation up.

The Islamaphobes are working overtime to create issues where none ever existed.
It seems that a some westernaphobes are also working overtime to create paranoia, and an 'us versus them' scenario.
 
Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

The same country - the Netherlands - is in the process of restricting the freedom of Muslim women and forcing them to take of clothes they've chosen to wear. It's not paranoia, it's reality.
 
Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

The same country - the Netherlands - is in the process of restricting the freedom of Muslim women and forcing them to take of clothes they've chosen to wear. It's not paranoia, it's reality.

Would you please post some supporting links? If it is true, then it would be beneficial for muslims that are in this country to begin thinking about moving to a country that does not restrict them in this way.
 
Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Europe is supposed to be a place where people come fleeing persecution because of its history of tollerance and a place where u can practice your religion and express alternative ideas and opinions without fear.


FALSE. :crickey:


You need to bone up on your history a little more; the past of Europe is anything but tolerant. When the Nasara in ancient europe weren't busy trying to kill us, they were killing themselves over one heresy or another. Outside of maybe the past 200 years, Europe has proved to be fatally intolerant of anything it labels as the "other"
 
Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

If refusing to shake hands with the opposite sex means that Muslims give a bad example to students then does that mean that we have to participate in Christmas celebrations, go to parties and free-mix, dance and drink alcohol?

:sl:

:thumbs_up :thumbs_up

Good on her.
 
Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

So when u go to muslim's house/hindu's house/buddhist's house do u pray as they do????

Your comment doesnt suit everywhere....

You wouldn't be expected to, as it is not viewed as harmful or even disrespectful to not pray in another religions way.

Your comment doesnt suit everywhere....
Of course not, it wasn't meant to be a catch all expression.
 
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ow, those dutch men, don't remind me i used to live there.......:(
 
Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Would you please post some supporting links? If it is true, then it would be beneficial for muslims that are in this country to begin thinking about moving to a country that does not restrict them in this way.

Here's a link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1945461,00.html

So the country wants to restrict the freedom of Muslim women and your advice is for them to simply move, and you claim that it is us that try to create an "us vs. them" scenario?
 
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Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

The Dutch really want Muslims to leave the Netherlands and I think they should do it.People who are unable to live their own way of life should go.
 
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So when u go to muslim's house/hindu's house/buddhist's house do u pray as they do????

Your comment doesnt suit everywhere....


Assalmualikum warhmathullahi Warbarakathuhu
Majority of people might do :omg:
Ma'assalama
 
Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Rules are rules. If the rules state that it is mandatory to shake hands, then you must shake hands as a term of employment. No special treatment. Why should she not follow the rules that everyone else must?

The first article of the Dutch right says:

You have the right of practising your faith without any consequenses from the government!

SOOOO

A MUSLIM has as his priority serving Allah. And shaking hands arent rules, their just guidelines!
 
Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Oddly when I was a state employee in both Louisiana and Texas. Any personal contact, especialy with opposite gender was very much discourged. We could get fired over initiating a handshake if the person considered it inappropriate.

It does sound like the Netherlands has put up that rule as a "hidden" method of removing Muslims from any form of State employment. In most of the Western world hand shakes are a tool used by politicians and salesmen. Or as a greeting between friends and relatives,
 
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Windham sends first Orthodox Jew in NH to legislature
By JULIE MASIS
Special to The Union Leader
Saturday, Dec. 9, 2006


Windham – A young man who does not shake hands with women was recently elected to the state Legislature, and the support of several members of the Salem Women's Club was instrumental in his victory at the polls.

"My faith out of respect for women does not allow contact between unrelated men and women," said Rep. Jason Bedrick, 23, R-Windham. He said he explains this on a daily basis to female colleagues who reach out their hands to him.

Usually, that's the end of the conversation, he says, but sometimes, when he senses the woman isn't convinced, he adds: "If every man in the world were to keep his hands to himself, would it be a better world for women or a worse world for women?"


Bedrick is the first Orthodox Jew to be elected in New Hampshire, a state that is home to fewer than 10 Orthodox Jewish families and where Jewish people account for 1 percent of the population.


Rep. Jason Bedrick brought his own lunch to Tuesday’s legislative session because kosher food is not available in Concord. (BOB LAPREE)
Orthodox Jews strictly observe the Sabbath, refraining from all work from Friday evening to Saturday evening, and keep Jewish dietary laws. Orthodox men also will not touch a woman's hand unless the woman is a family member, considering the act of touch between opposite sexes as something holy.

Black-bearded, Bedrick never takes off his yarmulke and usually politely declines whenever a fellow legislator asks him whether he'd like to grab a bite to eat, since most New Hampshire restaurants do not carry kosher food.

Taking oaths is also forbidden. As a result, during Wednesday's swearing-in ceremony in Concord, Bedrick will substitute the words "I affirm" for "I swear."

Almost 4,500 Windham and Salem voters put their support behind Bedrick on election day, even though he missed several campaign events because they took place during the Sabbath. In the end, every ballot counted because he beat his opponent by six votes after a recount. He said he believes the support he received from the Salem Women's Club really made a difference.

Barbara Elliot, co-president of the club, and several of her female friends voted for Bedrick after he wrote them an e-mail explaining why he does not shake hands with women.

"After they read this, my girlfriends understood it was not because he did not like women. It was because of his religion. They changed their mind and they voted for him," Elliot said, adding she would be proud to have Bedrick as a son. "I definitely got him his five votes there."

Elliot said she voted for Bedrick because he is well-educated and espouses conservative values.

In fact, all 13 Windham and Salem seats in the House of Representatives will be filled by Republicans as a result of last month's election. Bedrick came in last among Republican candidates, but still did better than any Democrat in the district.

Bedrick said he does not plan to focus on any specifically Jewish issues at the state level because his constituency is not Jewish. Instead, he will concentrate on preserving "the New Hampshire advantage," including the absence of sales and income tax. He is also in favor of school vouchers.

"If there was a school-choice program, more private schools that cater to different interests would open," he said.

However, Bedrick does not represent the opinions of all Jewish leaders in the state, many of whom are Democrats.

"His opinions on school vouchers are divergent from the mainstream Jewish perspective," said Adam Solender, executive director of the Jewish Federation of New Hampshire.

Solender added that although Bedrick is the first Orthodox Jew to be elected, many Reform and Conservative Jewish senators and representatives -- both Democrats and Republicans -- have held, and currently hold, office in the state.

Another Jewish politician from New Hampshire -- U.S. Rep. Paul Hodes, a Democrat from Concord -- was elected last month. The last time New Hampshire voters chose a Jewish person to represent them in Washington was more than a decade ago. Republican Sen. Warren B. Rudman served from 1980 to 1993.

source : http://www.unionleader.com/article....rticleId=a9259b8e-33d3-4637-b369-9f4904fd9a1c

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How ironic! This man is elected into state, with a powerful position and the fact that he does not shake hands with women due to faith, does not cause shockwaves and is respected. Yet when a muslim women does the same, she's sacked from her job!

It does make one thing clear though: despite europe's claim of tolerance, they are infact much more intolerant of others (especially those who are non-white, non christain) than America and there are growing examples of this. Europeans often wag their fingers at Americans due to america's explosive racial history but if theirs one thing that is clear especially in today's time is that Europeans are the big hypocrites and have no moral ground over the U.S. This muslim woman proabably would not have been sacked if she was in America. Yea some might have grumbled but its not something she would have lost her job over.
 
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