Muslim women jobs

[sister herb]

Not all women can get married.

Also not all women can get children. Or all men.

 

[GuestFellow]

I can't get married. I'm too ugly.

 

[sister herb]

One day you will meet sister who has thought all hers life like you:

I never get married as I am so ugly.

:statisfie

 

[GuestFellow]

I never get married as I am so ugly.

I LOVE THAT SMILEY! WHERE DO YOU GET ALL THOSE SMILES!!! +) *throws confetti*

 

[~Zaria~]

^ Akhee, by saying this, it would imply that you are not satisfied with Allah's design and His creation.

Dont judge yourself by what you lack (by society's standards).....but rather what you have - IMAAN - is there any greater gift than this?

As well as health, security, family, intelligence.....etc

We may believe that we have been 'denied' something.....but if we look at what we have been blessed with, we can NEVER enumerate Allah's blessings upon us.

Just think about how, right at this moment - your heart is beating, your kidneys are removing waste products, your stomach and intestines are busy digesting your food, your lungs are extracting oxygen from the air, your liver is doing other amazing things.....and theres sooo much more!

And all this is happening without you even thinking about it!
SubhanAllah.

We are all tested in different ways.....but never in a manner that is too difficult for us to bear.

Im reminded about Oscar Pistorius - the Para-olympian, who had both his legs amputated as a child (I know, its not a great time to be quoting him, but anyhows... ) - he once said:

'You are not disabled by your disabilites....but able by your abilities.'

Not many people in his position gets to be known as the 'Fastest man on no legs'.
You see, its all about how we wish to perceive ourselves and our lot in life.

And remember, Allah (subhanawataa'la) does not judge us by our appearances, but by our deeds.

So place your efforts here, for His pleasure is all that really matters.


:wasalamex

 

[sister herb]

^^ I just have special relationship with smileys.

 

[Abu Loren]

No doubt there are ugly people out there, may be it's just the way Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala made them to contrast the good looking people.

 

[Futuwwa]

The concept of females working merely for economic independency has no basis in the Shari?ah. In fact, it is a root of many evils. It is this economic independency in a woman that gives her the courage to break her marital home. Consider the marital breakdown in the US (4-5) due to woman independency. If she was dependant, or her husband, she would exercise restraint and maintain her marriage. That is best in the interest of her family, husband and children. It does not mean that a woman should be dependant on men merely to maintain her marriage.

We have merely expressed the wisdom of a female being dependant. This also does not mean a female cannot be rich. She may earn an income but without violating the laws of the Shari?ah. Firstly, a wife must get the consent of her husband to work. If the husband refuses, she cannot work.

So ensuring marital stability by keeping women economically dependent on men is a good thing? Nevermind that a woman staying in a marriage only because of such dependence would likely be very miserable.

I wonder if the imam, or anyone endorsing this fatwa, would support the securing of marital stability by endorsing actions that rendered men economically dependent on staying married? How about imposing a catastropic economic penalty on any man seeking a divorce? How about it? If economic shackles are a valid way of preventing divorce, it should work both ways, right?

 

[White Rose]

The best job for a woman is looking after the household, bringing up the children and being a dutiful wife to their husbands. Anthing else is competing with men.

I think it is rude when you tell a gender to do what you think they should do. Allah SWT created everyone differently. Yes they should understand their role but I personally find it rude when someone enforces a role. As long as they are engaging in halal, it is their choice with what they do.
Also, what I am saying is different from the definition of equality. I think equality is the source of corruption. It makes people go against their biological nature.

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I am thinking my sister in Africa or in Asia in some country where state doesn´t give any kind of social security, possible there also is civil war. Sister has losted hers husband and she has children. No family background in cause of war. How she could get enough money to feed her family than go to what ever work she can do?

She might not be air hostess, doctor neither engineer. She might not ever been in the any school. When she go to ask job, is she some kind of competitor with men?

In my current volunteer job with sisters from the "third world" I have met many like this kind of sisters.

 

[Abu Loren]

Also, what I am saying is different from the definition of equality. I think equality is the source of corruption. It makes people go against their biological nature.

Very wise words indeed.

 

[~Zaria~]

So ensuring marital stability by keeping women economically dependent on men is a good thing? Nevermind that a woman staying in a marriage only because of such dependence would likely be very miserable.

I wonder if the imam, or anyone endorsing this fatwa, would support the securing of marital stability by endorsing actions that rendered men economically dependent on staying married? How about imposing a catastropic economic penalty on any man seeking a divorce? How about it? If economic shackles are a valid way of preventing divorce, it should work both ways, right?

Brother, I sincerely hope that you would read up about the responsibilities of men and women in a marriage.
In short, men are the providers and protectors of women.
The status of women in Islam has been elevated to that of 'queens' in this dunya - there is no expectation on her to seek employment....and still fulfill the roles of mother and wife in the home.

This is not about being 'dependant' on men.

Rather, this is about understanding our roles as women, and the commands of Allah - that serve only for our benefit.

Much of our complaints stem from a lack of understanding of our deen.....and if we do possess this knowledge, then are we displeased with Allah's commands upon us?


:wasalamex

 

[GuestFellow]

Basically men and women should have skills that will enable them to get a job. Muslim men should try their best to put their skills to use and Muslim women should try to make sure of their skills if they don't have conflicting interests. Muslim women should equipped with some skills in case where there is no one to financially support her. The End. *plants a flower*

 

[IslamicRevival]

The Mother of all believers, Hazrat Khadija (May Allah be pleased with her) was a business woman so there's no reason for any Muslim to 'object' to women working.

 

[GuestFellow]

^ Women should not work because they are creating competition for men! I'm so flabbergasted.

 

[tearose]

In short, men are the providers and protectors of women.
The status of women in Islam has been elevated to that of 'queens' in this dunya - there is no expectation on her to seek employment....and still fulfill the roles of mother and wife in the home.
This is not about being 'dependant' on men.
Rather, this is about understanding our roles as women, and the commands of Allah - that serve only for our benefit.
Much of our complaints stem from a lack of understanding of our deen.....and if we do possess this knowledge, then are we displeased with Allah's commands upon us?

As-salamu 3laikum sister,
I think the problem in a lot of cases is that many women are in a situation where they don't have any man to provide for and protect them. The fatwa that you posted looks like it was a brother who was asking about his wife working. That's completely different from a woman who has to meet her own needs. If I was married or had male relatives to support me, I wouldn't work, unless the women in the community needed a service that I had the skills to provide, and my husband agreed to it.
As it is, in certain countries it is almost impossible to fulfil all of the conditions for permissible work for women, especially the one about mixed workplaces. In my country I don't know of any all-female workplaces.
This is a serious problem and it feels very bad that people think working women are displeased with the commands of Allah. That is not at all the case, just that we can't seem to find a halal work situation. This is why I personally hope to make hijra as soon as I can in sha Allah, but in the meantime what can I do? We need advice from the scholars that takes into account this situation.

 

[~Zaria~]

As-salamu 3laikum sister,
I think the problem in a lot of cases is that many women are in a situation where they don't have any man to provide for and protect them. The fatwa that you posted looks like it was a brother who was asking about his wife working. That's completely different from a woman who has to meet her own needs. If I was married or had male relatives to support me, I wouldn't work, unless the women in the community needed a service that I had the skills to provide, and my husband agreed to it.
As it is, in certain countries it is almost impossible to fulfil all of the conditions for permissible work for women, especially the one about mixed workplaces. In my country I don't know of any all-female workplaces.
This is a serious problem and it feels very bad that people think working women are displeased with the commands of Allah. That is not at all the case, just that we can't seem to find a halal work situation. This is why I personally hope to make hijra as soon as I can in sha Allah, but in the meantime what can I do? We need advice from the scholars that takes into account this situation.

:wasalamex sister,

I think that there may be a mis-understanding -

Islam has not forbidden women from working.

Indeed, as you and others have mentioned, there may be genuine circumstances where it is encumbent for a woman to go out to work.

Apart from financial desperation, there are also many situations were it is in fact, more suitable for a woman to be in a particular profession vs a man - e.g:

http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/18872

http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/17919

http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/16497


However, in these situations it is for the woman to realise that the responsibility of proper hijab rests upon her - by way of niqaab, the manner in which she interacts with other men, her speech, etc.
And that we realise too, that there are certain occupations that would be more suitable for a woman, in the event that she finds herself in need of employment.


The point that was being made is that - while we may have our own opinions on the matter (and this is fine), what matters even more is to understand our roles as women through Quraan and Sunnah - for which we should try to consult our scholars in our community if we are in any doubt.

In shaa Allah, in this way, we are sincerely only seeking goodness for ourselves and the pleasure of Allah Taa'la.


BarakAllahu feekum

 

[Aprender]

:wa:

I am a revert to Islam and a recent graduate from the university. Ever since an early age I knew that I wanted to work to contribute to society in a positive way. Since my conversion to Islam, I've refocused my career goals to put myself in a position that is more in line with following the "rules" set forth in Islam. My father, while he doesn't agree with my conversion to Islam, knows that he isn't going to be around forever and wants to make sure that I have a way to provide for myself.

As a revert in the United States who is cut off from the rest of the Muslim community due to cultural barriers, it's likely that I won't be getting any marriage proposals anytime soon. Allah knows if there are any brothers out there interested in making me a wife. Either way, it doesn't mean that I'm not going to use the tools and skills that I have to benefit society in some way and that's what I'm trying to do now with the talents that Allah has given me. I work in a business position where, alhamdulillah, as a hijabi I have the opportunity to do something that I enjoy while also being able to pay back my debts and give back to the Muslim community as much as I can. And in shaa Allah I'll be making some moves soon to start something to help the Muslim youth here. I work in an office full of non-Muslims from different backgrounds where I am allowed to pray and my rights as a Muslim woman are fully respected. Even down to them making sure they order halal food for me during a lunch meetings!

I am inspired by the societies that Muslims have built in the past and even the Jewish community here that does so much to ensure that their youth grow up knowledgeable of their religious heritage. I am not going to allow the fact that I am a sister to not do more to help the community as a whole. I'm not going to sit back and wait for end of the world prophecys to be fulfilled that may or may not happen in our lifetime to prevent me from doing what I should to help the Muslim youth grow in knowledge of this deen and be happy and grateful that they are Muslims. I've had enough of people talking about what we don't do, how misguided the youth are and how bad the state of the Ummah is. I believe that Allah put us here in this time and we have the challenges we have for a reason. No need to sit back and wait for someone else to come along and clean them up when we have the ability to take the initiative and do it ourselves. And right now, with a job, with the knowledge that I have from my education, I am able to do so much more with my own income to give back in areas where it's needed.

 

[Futuwwa]

Brother, I sincerely hope that you would read up about the responsibilities of men and women in a marriage.
In short, men are the providers and protectors of women.
The status of women in Islam has been elevated to that of 'queens' in this dunya - there is no expectation on her to seek employment....and still fulfill the roles of mother and wife in the home.

This is not about being 'dependant' on men.

Rather, this is about understanding our roles as women, and the commands of Allah - that serve only for our benefit.

Much of our complaints stem from a lack of understanding of our deen.....and if we do possess this knowledge, then are we displeased with Allah's commands upon us?

:wasalamex

This is a red herring. You are talking about men providing for women, which is religiously mandated. The imam is talking about women being forced into situations where they have no alternative but to rely on men, and idolizes the dependence it causes.

Is not divorce halal, or at worst makruh? Are then women supposed to be prevented from it by imposing dependence on them?

 

[tearose]

@ sister Zaria,

I did understand you, I was really talking about the conditions of permissibility rather than the permissibility itself, if that makes sense. Thank you for the additional information. I agree with you that women in this situation should do whatever they can to understand the Qur'an and Sunnah and look for the most suitable work, and consult a scholar about their particular situation, if necessary.

jazaki Allahu khair