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it is unfortunate that such acts happen but it does.. i agree with you no does mean no! but a half naked girl is more likely to be raped than a covered girl.. that is one of the wisdoms behind the hijab.. like it or not thats the facts.. there is not much we can do about it
 
They are the facts are they? Do you have any figures to back that up? I ,mean , I am continually asked to back up things I say, why not this- I have heard so many miuslims say this, but where are the figures to back it up? Did someone do a study based on how many square centimetres of skin on a rape victim were showing before she was raped? If so, show me the link? and I dont want some vague link on how many westerners are raped compared to muslim countries, who me he study?
There is also a thing called common sense, I am not about to walk naked down a back street in Sydney at 4am, but there is no reason I cannot wear sexy clothes when I am in company at night clubs etc, or wearing my G string on a beach where plenty of other girls are as well.
 
if you don't want me to show you the figures of women being raped in a western country compared to a woman being raped in a muslim country then what should i show you?? may i ask why you dont want these figures? is it because the number of rapes are a lot more higher in western countries?

if you want to go walking around the streets in skimpy clothes, go ahead. But there are sick immoral people out there that will use that as an opportunity.. like i said.. like it or not but that is how it is.
 
Peace Irsha.
First of all No means No. Even if she was nude, no one has the right to rape a her.
Secondly I know you believe a modestly dressed person is less likely to be raped don't you?

irsha said:
They are the facts are they? Do you have any figures to back that up? I ,mean , I am continually asked to back up things I say, why not this- I have heard so many miuslims say this, but where are the figures to back it up? Did someone do a study based on how many square centimetres of skin on a rape victim were showing before she was raped? If so, show me the link? and I dont want some vague link on how many westerners are raped compared to muslim countries, who me he study?

What kind of other study do you suggest?? The fact is that islamic countries have a way lesser rape rate than any other country. Live with it. Now let me turn the tableon you: Why don't you back up your words with facts huh? Give me the proof where it says modestly dressed women are more likely to be raped.
You should be asking why Islamic practicing countries have a lesser rape rate?
The fact is we Muslims are the best in doing preventive measures to avoid this horrible crime from occuring.
1. Everybody dressess modestly.
2. We are encouraged to lower our gaze.
3. A man isn't supposed to even shake hands with a woman over 12, and vise versa, unless they are married.
4. Men and women don't even conversate unless it is important.
5. Early marraige is prescribed since it avoids these types of crimes and sins.

By the way, to further prove my point: The U.S has one of the highest rape rate; my question is when was the last time you heard a practicing Muslimah get raped? Almost never... right? Must be the dress code huh?

"There is also a thing called common sense, I am not about to walk naked down a back street in Sydney at 4am, but there is no reason I cannot wear sexy clothes when I am in company at night clubs etc, or wearing my G string on a beach where plenty of other girls are as well."

You are right. Common sense is needed. But can you keep your common sense after drinking at night club at night? Aren't you more likely to be raped drunk and wearind revealing clothes at the same time?.


or wearing my G string on a beach where plenty of other girls are as well."

No one will rape you on the beach or the company where there are a lot of people.
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Peace out.
 
irsha said:
Oh you have made yourself clear alright, very clear. I just hope I never meet anyone like you in real life.
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AMEEN OH SUPPORTER OF FILTHY DISGUSTING GROTESQUE THOUGHTS!!!!!!!!!!

PEACE!
 
lol... listen irsha Abd'Majid is just giving you the facts. There are sick perverted men out there who can't control there desires, or who are very desperate. They have no right to practice their ill-thoughts on innocent women, but it does happen unfortunately. In order for you to be protected you need to cover yourself up, and perhaps the punishment for rapists should be a lil more harsh. No one is saying that these women want or deserve to be raped. The fact is that if you are wearing less revealing clothes the men are less likely to get aroused... what are they going to get aroused at, the texture of the material you're wearing? And perhaps people should get married at the right age, that might help a little bit. I hope I haven't said anything offensive.
-Peace
 
Ladee_Maryam said:
if you don't want me to show you the figures of women being raped in a western country compared to a woman being raped in a muslim country then what should i show you?? may i ask why you dont want these figures? is it because the number of rapes are a lot more higher in western countries?

if you want to go walking around the streets in skimpy clothes, go ahead. But there are sick immoral people out there that will use that as an opportunity.. like i said.. like it or not but that is how it is.
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The figures have nothing to do with what women wear. Unless you can show a direct correlation between what the rape victims were wearing at the time they were raped, and if you care to do any study on this- you will see that the vast majority of rape victims know their attacker and what the vic tim wears has nothing to do with why they were raped. Rapists are usually on a power trip, not turned on so much they cannot help themselves.
. Besides, given the way rape victims are treated in Islam, being made to prove their innocence, it would hardly surprise if the reported fugures are grossly understated.
The fact of the matter is, you all just surmise that it is so with no proof whatsoever,
 
Abd'Majid said:
how do u kno wats going around ova at the amazon? what have you lived wiv them for a long time or something?
aah so ur a model :rollseyes , i only compared starvation to lust to give you an insight to what i believe is happening around us! i kno very well that rape is much worser BUT im saying if you kno rape happens, WHY NOT DECREASE IT? WHY? WHY DO U INSIST ON WEARING SUCH CLOTHING KNOWING WHAT MEN THINK? this encourages men! They look at u and think ur dressed in such a way to "attract" there attention and when they rape you they may even think you "want it". I hope i hav made myself clear. is there nething else i need to explain??

peace....
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Like I said, you have made your attitude to women VERY clear, and I just hope to never met anyone like you in real life, I will no longer converse with you
 
~Mu'MiNaH~ said:
lol... listen irsha Abd'Majid is just giving you the facts. There are sick perverted men out there who can't control there desires, or who are very desperate. They have no right to practice their ill-thoughts on innocent women, but it does happen unfortunately. In order for you to be protected you need to cover yourself up, and perhaps the punishment for rapists should be a lil more harsh. No one is saying that these women want or deserve to be raped. The fact is that if you are wearing less revealing clothes the men are less likely to get aroused... what are they going to get aroused at, the texture of the material you're wearing? And perhaps people should get married at the right age, that might help a little bit. I hope I haven't said anything offensive.
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Well I am not sure he is giving the facts so much as his interpretation of the facts. Let's assume that there are sick and perverted men out there. And let's assume that these sick and perverted men get arosed at the thought of making women afraid, instilling terror and hurting them; that they are rapists in fact. Will they get aroused at the sight of some material? Well perhaps, but it is likely that what really gets them interested is the thought of imposing their power on a helpless woman - revenge for whatever psychological problems they have with women in general. They want to humiliate and scare in order to feel big and powerful. A covered woman might excite them even more because she will be even more humiliated if she is chaste (or even better virginial) and pious.

The world is full of sick people you know. It is not as simple as you make out.
 
Salam.

I hope everyone here has read the actual article which was posted, in it's entirety and not just bits highlighted.

As I said earlier, if and how much a women is 'reponsible' must be analysed case by case for true justice.

I remember a case recently, where a women accused a man of rape. The case was later thrown out as it was revealed that the 'victim' could not remembering giving consent but was too intoxicated to be sure (The event took place in front of the victims flat, she believed if she wanted sex, she would have invited him but does not remember the event to be sure). Yes, rape is a horrible thing for the women - however that does not allow a society to condemn the man for rape when he may not even have been aware it was against her will.
 
^that's what you call a fair, reasonable response. Let's fill the whole thread with posts like it :)
 
HeiGou said:
Naaah, why break a habit of a lifetime and start being reasonable now?
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Are you a smoker? ;)

Anyway, on-topic, I agree that rape needs to be decided on a case by case basis, just like murders do.
 
irsha said:
. Besides, given the way rape victims are treated in Islam, being made to prove their innocence, it would hardly surprise if the reported fugures are grossly understated.
The fact of the matter is, you all just surmise that it is so with no proof whatsoever,
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It's true many rapes are never reported out of bringing shame on the family honour. Therefore statistics don't prove if there are more rapes in the west than in muslims countries. But don't assume that it is only muslim women who have to prove their innocence. Rape victims are even cross-questioned in the west during rape trials and often feel they are the ones on trial (their own words). In all cases it's one party's word against the others. Of course the victims innocence has to be proven to prove the rapist guilty.
 
Why should women have to cover up? Many women dress the way they do because they want to look in the mirror and look attractive for themselves not just for men!

If a man sees an attractive women in revelling cloths imo yes he can think to himself “that’s a bit of alright” or even approach the woman and complement her or even ask her out on a date. If she rejects the offer then that’s it, end of, no excesses.
It’s human nature to be attracted to a pretty girl, and the other way around. Ok yes some might say it’s what’s on the inside that counts but first impressing count.

If you met someone who was totally covered up but fell for them, would it not be some what of a disappointment when you got to see them in the flesh (face and all) and it looked like when god was handing out looks she/he thought they said books and got one straight in the face (aka pig ugly ;D ).

Anyways, when told no it means no, simple as. I imaging most of use learned what no meant in our early years of growing up.
 
j4763 said:
Why should women have to cover up?
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Perhaps we should ask if this applies across the board in Islam. One day I want to own a nice shiny car. I used to think a BMW but now I think perhaps a top model Lexus. With a nice clean shiny interior set with real wood perhaps. Certainly leather seats. And a DVD player with more speakers than you would think possible. So if I had such a car and I parked this on the street would it be my fault if someone saw it, envied it and stole it?
 
irsha said:
The figures have nothing to do with what women wear. ,
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scuse me miss, are you tryin to insinuate that it makes no difference if a woman is naked or dressed like an eskimo? either one has the same chance of being raped?

i will appreciate you answer :)

peace :)

PS: sry for talkin in such an offensive manner before, i simply think innocent ladies will be provoked less if they cover up more, again i apologise, hope u accept
 
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Abd'Majid said:
scuse me miss, are you tryin to insinuate that it makes no difference if a woman is nakes or dressed like an eskimo? eithe one has the same chance of being raped?
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Actually I think that is pretty much what she is telling you. Not insinuating at all.

Of all the factors in rape I expect that opportunity grossly out-weighs clothing. And besides most rapes in the West are commited by family members and relatives. Not strangers.
 
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