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Abd'Majid said:
What can we do? We must do something right? We must take some sort of action to decrease the rate of rape! Rape isnt a minor thing, i wud gladly do the smallest thing i could to decrease it such as "cover up".
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How about accepting that man share most of the blame and women very little? That, if spread to the rest of the community, would mean fewer women would fear being killed by their families, more women would report rape and hence more rapists would be caught.

Somehow I think that might have more of an impact on rape than forcing women to cover up (which obviously does not work because Muslim societies usually feel the need to go even further and not let women out of the house).
 
:heated: The point of this post was to highlite the backward thinking of some people who think that a woman should have to prove her virtue, her morality, her resistance to the attacker, or anything else before she is found to be not at fault in a rape. This sort of thinking belongs with any other primitive ideas; consigned to history. The over all feeling I get here, is that if one doesn't wear the hijab and behave as a good muslim, then one asks to get raped. It was interesting that only one muslim poster seemed to get that same feeling and say something. I would hope that none of your relatives get raped, and then have to go through a process to prove anything in order to be absolved of guilt!
 
irsha said:
:heated: The point of this post was to highlite the backward thinking of some people who think that a woman should have to prove her virtue, her morality, her resistance to the attacker, or anything else before she is found to be not at fault in a rape. This sort of thinking belongs with any other primitive ideas; consigned to history. The over all feeling I get here, is that if one doesn't wear the hijab and behave as a good muslim, then one asks to get raped. It was interesting that only one muslim poster seemed to get that same feeling and say something. I would hope that none of your relatives get raped, and then have to go through a process to prove anything in order to be absolved of guilt!
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i actually kno a friends sister who got raped, and she use to dress... in extremely exposing clothes. Lets put it this way her brother insulted the way she dressed! And she herself started wearing a hijaab, WHY? becoz she realised Allah says everything for our benefit, HE GETS BENEFIT OUT OF NOTHING!!! ONLY WE DO!!

:peace:
 
irsha said:
if one doesn't wear the hijab and behave as a good muslim, then one asks to get raped.
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actually no one said that. All we said was it was more likely for a non covered girl to be raped than a covered one! No one said if shes not covered she is asking for rape!
this is from my personal experience..
before i became muslim, i used to wear clothes that werent tooo revealing but were tight ect.. anyway some awful stuff happened n would not like 2 repeat it on here! but anyway ever since i started wearing the hijab i have never ever come across anyone who has ever spoken 2 me in that manner let alone act upon me in that manner - alhumdulillah.
 
Ladee_Maryam said:
actually no one said that. All we said was it was more likely for a non covered girl to be raped than a covered one! No one said if shes not covered she is asking for rape!

If you are going to quote me, please use the whole sentence"

The over all feeling I get here, is that if one doesn't wear the hijab and behave as a good muslim, then one asks to get raped
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irsha said:
Ladee_Maryam said:
actually no one said that. All we said was it was more likely for a non covered girl to be raped than a covered one! No one said if shes not covered she is asking for rape!

If you are going to quote me, please use the whole sentence"

The over all feeling I get here, is that if one doesn't wear the hijab and behave as a good muslim, then one asks to get raped
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hmm, no thats not the feeling we intend to giv, we jus produce the fact that coverin up helps to reduce rape

:peace: :)
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is there any point on me replying to you? ive noticed this with not only you but other members also, once you get an idea in your head you stick with it no matter what. I don't understand why you (and other members) insist on participating when it is very obvious that you don't agree with what we have to say!!
 
Ladee_Maryam said:
is there any point on me replying to you? ive noticed this with not only you but other members also, once you get an idea in your head you stick with it no matter what. I don't understand why you (and other members) insist on participating when it is very obvious that you don't agree with what we have to say!!
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Why would you say that? I only pointed out that you should quote ALL my sentence otherwise it has a very different meaning to that intended.
 
wellll i was jst agreeing with what he just said, which is what the majority of us were trying to say.. covering up reduces rape!
 
irsha said:
Ladee_Maryam said:
Well, I am sorry darl', but the person you quoted is one of the main offenders, have a look back.
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astagfirullah!
i apologised for seeming harsh in my language previously!
please dont be a one track person, i jus wanna enlighten you to the beauty and protection islam has offered us!

im sry again, mayb its best i dont reply to u seeing as u have "ENGRAVED" hatred for me... well thats the way it seems.

:peace: peace...
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wellll i was jst agreeing with what he just said, which is what the majority of us were trying to say.. covering up reduces rape!
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I wonder, is there any statistical evidence on this?
 
Well this is not proof but it can be considered as evidence:

Rapes (per capita)


Rank Country Amount (top to bottom)
#1 South Africa 1.19538 per 1,000 people
#2 Seychelles 0.788294 per 1,000 people
#3 Australia 0.777999 per 1,000 people
#4 Montserrat 0.749384 per 1,000 people
#5 Canada 0.733089 per 1,000 people
#6 Jamaica 0.476608 per 1,000 people
#7 Zimbabwe 0.457775 per 1,000 people
#8 Dominica 0.34768 per 1,000 people
#9 United States 0.301318 per 1,000 people
#10 Iceland 0.246009 per 1,000 people
#11 Papua New Guinea 0.233544 per 1,000 people
#12 New Zealand 0.213383 per 1,000 people
#13 United Kingdom 0.142172 per 1,000 people
#14 Spain 0.140403 per 1,000 people
#15 France 0.139442 per 1,000 people
#16 Korea, South 0.12621 per 1,000 people
#17 Mexico 0.122981 per 1,000 people
#18 Norway 0.120836 per 1,000 people
#19 Costa Rica 0.118277 per 1,000 people
#20 Venezuela 0.115507 per 1,000 people
#21 Finland 0.110856 per 1,000 people
#22 Netherlands 0.100445 per 1,000 people
#23 Denmark 0.0914948 per 1,000 people
#24 Germany 0.0909731 per 1,000 people
#25 Bulgaria 0.0795973 per 1,000 people
#26 Chile 0.0782179 per 1,000 people
#27 Thailand 0.0626305 per 1,000 people
#28 Kyrgyzstan 0.0623785 per 1,000 people
#29 Poland 0.062218 per 1,000 people
#30 Sri Lanka 0.0599053 per 1,000 people
#31 Hungary 0.0588588 per 1,000 people
#32 Estonia 0.0547637 per 1,000 people
#33 Ireland 0.0542829 per 1,000 people
#34 Switzerland 0.0539458 per 1,000 people
#35 Belarus 0.0514563 per 1,000 people
#36 Uruguay 0.0512295 per 1,000 people
#37 Lithuania 0.0508757 per 1,000 people
#38 Malaysia 0.0505156 per 1,000 people
#39 Romania 0.0497089 per 1,000 people
#40 Czech Republic 0.0488234 per 1,000 people
#41 Russia 0.0486543 per 1,000 people
#42 Latvia 0.0454148 per 1,000 people
#43 Moldova 0.0448934 per 1,000 people
#44 Colombia 0.0433254 per 1,000 people
#45 Slovenia 0.0427648 per 1,000 people
#46 Italy 0.0402045 per 1,000 people
#47 Portugal 0.0364376 per 1,000 people
#48 Tunisia 0.0331514 per 1,000 people
#49 Zambia 0.0266383 per 1,000 people
#50 Ukraine 0.0244909 per 1,000 people
#51 Slovakia 0.0237525 per 1,000 people
#52 Mauritius 0.0219334 per 1,000 people
#53 Turkey 0.0180876 per 1,000 people
#54 Japan 0.017737 per 1,000 people
#55 Hong Kong 0.0150746 per 1,000 people
#56 India 0.0143187 per 1,000 people
#57 Qatar 0.0139042 per 1,000 people
#58 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of 0.0132029 per 1,000 people
#59 Greece 0.0106862 per 1,000 people
#60 Georgia 0.0100492 per 1,000 people
#61 Armenia 0.00938652 per 1,000 people
#62 Indonesia 0.00567003 per 1,000 people
#63 Yemen 0.0038597 per 1,000 people
#64 Azerbaijan 0.00379171 per 1,000 people
#65 Saudi Arabia 0.00329321 per 1,000 people

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap_percap
 
Cheb said:
Well this is not proof but it can be considered as evidence:
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No it can't. As is well known, some countries, and especially Third World one, have problems reporting crime statistics. This is especially true of Muslim countries which seem to regard it as a crime to say bad things about their countries. On top of which honor killings make reporting limited.
 
HeiGou said:
No it can't. As is well known, some countries, and especially Third World one, have problems reporting crime statistics. This is especially true of Muslim countries which seem to regard it as a crime to say bad things about their countries. On top of which honor killings make reporting limited.
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Honor killings rarely happen.
And YES it can be used. Where is the proof of your claims?
 
Oh look I found a crime stat of which Saudi Arabia is top in. :? :rollseyes

Unpaid diplomatic parking fines


Rank Country Amount (top to bottom)
#1 Saudi Arabia 367
#2 Israel 191
#3 Morocco 165
#4 Nigeria 159
#5 Greece 155
#6 Poland 154
#7 France 144
#8 China 140
#9 Canada 135
#10 Sudan 132
#11 Turkey 130
#12 Qatar 122
#13 Egypt 105
#14 Jordan 99
#15 United Arab Emirates 99
#16 Pakistan 97
#17 Ghana 84
#18 Bulgaria 81
#19 Cameroon 77
#20 India 73
#21 Thailand 72
#22 Hungary 68
#23 Germany 66
#24 Zambia 64
#25 Oman 58
#26 Uruguay 57
#27 Gambia, The 56
#28 Cyprus 55
#29 Barbados 54
#30 Spain 50
#31 Bangladesh 49
#32 Tanzania 47
#33 Portugal 45
#34 Tunisia 43
#35 Zimbabwe 38
#36 Brazil 38
#37 Bahrain 37
#38 Italy 35
#39 Romania 34
#40 Gabon 32
#41 Brunei 31
#42 Sierra Leone 28
#43 Malaysia 28
#44 Ethiopia 27
#45 Guatemala 27
#46 Finland 26
#47 Yemen 21
#48 Malawi 20
#49 Liberia 18
#50 United States 17
#51 Venezuela 17
#52 Japan 16
#53 Honduras 16
#54 Guyana 16
#55 Syria 16
#56 Algeria 16
#57 Angola 15
#58 Panama 14
#59 Iran 14
#60 Vietnam 13
#61 Cuba 13
#62 Mauritius 13
#63 Jamaica 12
#64 Fiji 10
#65 Mongolia 9
#66 Bolivia 9
#67 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 9
#68 Burma 9
#69 Mexico 9
#70 Lebanon 9
#71 Botswana 8
#72 Sweden 8
#73 Togo 8
#74 Philippines 8
#75 Senegal 8
#76 Chile 8
#77 Lesotho 7
#78 Peru 7
#79 Nepal 7
#80 Kenya 7
#81 Paraguay 6
#82 Belgium 6
#83 Australia 5
#84 Ireland 5
#85 Somalia 5
#86 Iceland 5
#87 Uganda 5
#88 Norway 4
#89 Seychelles 4
#90 Bahamas, The 4
#91 Costa Rica 4
#92 Netherlands 3
#93 Austria 3
#94 Sri Lanka 3
#95 Singapore 3
#96 Indonesia 3
#97 Mozambique 3
#98 Swaziland 2
#99 Switzerland 2
#100 Luxembourg 2
#101 Papua New Guinea 2
#102 Malta 2
#103 South Africa 2
#104 Argentina 1
#105 Benin 1
#106 El Salvador 1
#107 Dominica 1
#108 Ecuador 1
#109 Nicaragua 1
#110 Denmark 1
#111 New Zealand 0
#112 Grenada 0
#113 Antigua and Barbuda 0
#114 Afghanistan 0
#115 Colombia 0
#116 Kuwait 0
Total: 4,371
Weighted average: 37.7
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Well this is not proof but it can be considered as evidence:
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Muslim countries historically have vast underreporting of rape, sexual assault, and abuse. Unfortunately.

Though I would heartily agree that the U.S. has a rape problem. The issues of rape are some that I have discussed in a previous, detailed post.
 
I keep seeing people quote rape statistics to try and back up their opinion that covering up reduces rape. I say rubbish. It is useless unless you can show a recognised study showing a direct correlation from how many rapes to how much skin is shown.
Also, do you really believe rapes in muslim countries are reported on a national basis? Oh yeah, I can just see it- woman is raped, she is lucky enough to find 4 male witnesses to say she was, or the rapist in a fit of remorse (yeah, sure) goes to the authorities and admits it. Then, after the poor girl (risking persecution and punishement for zina) has proven her morality, fidelity, and that she fought the attacker as best as she could, the rapist is finally fopund guilty. Of course, then this fact is reported and recorded on a national data base which they are willing to share with the world. Yeah, I believe in the tooth fairy as well.
 
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