Non-Muslims and Islam

[CosmicPathos]

why doesn't monotheism exist in judaism anymore?

association of partners with God. Furthermore, its not the religion to reach God anymore, at least according to Quran, as it has been invalidated by Islam.

 

[Predator]

association of partners with God. Furthermore, its not the religion to reach God anymore, at least according to Quran, as it has been invalidated by Islam.

Also the Jews have made their religion into a racial religion just like the Hindu Brahmins . You have to be born a Jew to be a Jew. They dont want us in their religion . All the /Jews want is political power and If you give them that , they would be happy

Islam is is open to everyone. The rich and the poor , The white and black


Furthermore, Prophet Muhammad

said in the Farewell Sermon :

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves. .[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone"[/FONT]

 

[h-n]

[60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

[60:9] GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.

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[16:125} You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.

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[29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters."

[29:47] We have revealed to you this scripture, and those whom we blessed with the previous scripture will believe in it. Also, some of your people will believe in it. Indeed, those who disregard our revelations are the real disbelievers.

.......

So tell me, h-n, why the obvious antagonism and hatred of non-Muslims? Why do you insult people simply because they do not share your beliefs?

I shall keep you in mind the next time some nice Muslim is trying to convince me what a wonderful existence it would be live under Khilafah. I will remind them that no matter what promises they make and how they envision it, at some point it will come under the rule of people like h-n and life for non-Muslims would become a living hell.

You are not Muslims, I am not and never going to be your Sister unless you repent.

I am a woman, I don't speak softly if your not my husband, not like the western women, were they speak similar and treat even other Males the same way as they would do with their husbands.

You are not people of the scripture, you have to accept that there is one God and ascribe no partners to him and remember the Last Day and Paradise and Hell.

1. The first thread I posted on IB, is "Collapse of these countres" and then the "Major signs of the Day of Judgement". Good job too, as it shows where I stand, and it helps people to understand how I behave. :happy: We are not starting from the beginning to talk about Islam, we are coming to an end. There is not going to be an Islamic state, if you read those threads. I don't accept that view and I understand that some Muslims quote this, but they don't look towards the Day of Judgement. It is a FACT that these countries are finishing.

2. Shall I sit there with non-Muslims and plan to talk about Islam casually that they are going to learn in their own sweet time, when I have to get up tomorrow and leave them? Even my Muslim Brothers and Sisters will not just be sitting their with non-Muslims they have to join the Mahdi.

3. My threads are too the point, even though they are long, I believe that all of its relevant, as you don't have years and years to learn. So I am providing anyone who wishes to read to help them go through the Major signs of they Day of Judgement and of course to save themselves from the fire. As cars, mobiles, TV's aren't going to help you stand up to the Dajjal, but your steadfastness in Islam.

4. If I find that there are non-Muslims who are wasting time with my Muslim Brothers and Sisters, I have on Ummah, frankly told them off. As I am like protecting my Muslims Brothers and Sisters from wasting their time-this is they only time they have to save themselves from the fires of Hell.

5. By the way, I already know how I come across, that's why I also thank Allah, that I didn't come on the internet years ago. Also you spoke kindly with my Muslim Brothers and Sisters and you did not learn much, and did not repent then, and now your trying to make an excuse that I am putting people off Islam. I know for a fact that I do not, its to the point thread, it helps people to learn quickly and efficiently. If they had something to say about the points that I made on my threads, they would have stated it, even if it was not targeted to them. They would have enjoyed pointing if I was wrong, like in the thread "No such things as Atheism". I look forward to you saying on the Day of Judgement, that non-Muslims are put off. You can't treat me like with other Muslims, as I remember all this is coming to an end, I am not a time waster. I remember that we don't have long. It's rather that they don't like hearing the truth, and wish that Muslims were weak like they are. They wish for us to reject Islam as they do. Plenty of non-Muslims who wasted their time trying to prove Muslims wrong, instead of learning about Islam. Its finishing. We won't be sitting here talking on the internet in the long term. Hence why I'm posting so many threads in one go, and I post if I think it would help people.

6. It's typical of non-Muslims to quickly complain if they aren't being treated "kindly", when they are happy to treat others in a lewd way, support homosexuality and reject Allah. If you die in your state, Allah is not going to call you an innocent soul. I find it laughable that people think to teach me about being kind-we will see on the Day of Judgement of who has been kind or not!

7. Actually it reminds me of a boy at School, he actually threw a pencil at me because of racism, we were sitting at the opposite ends of the room. Anyway, I picked the pencil up and said to him , that because he did not need his pencil, I will throw it in the bin, so I did. The look on is face, and you know what, he actually complained to the Teacher! I mean if anyone was going to complain it should have been me, but I didn't. He did, but I didn't get into trouble as the Teacher knew what happened. People complain about how I behave when they themselves are not good! That's what I find, and you know what when you get on the Day of Judgement, then we'll see who is kinder etc. Kindness is being truthful to people, that I won't be here that long, of course the Christians even say that the countries will come to an end. We will be joining with Prophet Jesus peace be upon him. So at least we are not lying to you and say we will be sitting there with you in the long term, is this not what evil people do, they waste people's time and then leave them, not being honest and upfront with them about their intentions.

If Prophet Jesus peace be upon him came right now, I would left and so would my other Muslims Brothers and Sisters, forget about work, selling our homes etc, just get up and leave. Of course this is not happening right now as per the "Major signs of the Day of Judgement" thread.

-If someone told you to concentrate on working, when this was your last day at work and your anxious to leave to go on holiday etc, then your not interested in talking as you would do if you were not leaving work.

-If this was your last day at work and your going off to live how you want and be happy, then your not interested in talking to people, or mentally thinking in a way when you are not leaving.

-if someone told you about Paradise, and you know that you are going, then you want to leave this world. This why is Muslims in the past and there are those today which did not care about building this and that. Nothing stopped them except that they looked towards leaving this world. A Muslims would not stay and build a Motherboard for a company rather then leaving this world.

-If I was alive at the time Prophet Noah peace be upon him, should I treat it as life is normal? Of course not, but get ready to leave.

-hence my behaviour is reflected as I know that these countries will be of no more. Also don't bother treating it like we are going to sit here like before talking about Islam. I am getting ready to leave this country, not sit here in the UK. I may not be alive when the Major signs of the Day of Judgement happen as I can die at anytime, but I am still not going to ignore what is happening. So again, what I see is written in the "Collapse of these countries" and the "Major signs of the Day of Judgement" thread.


So as above, no one can change how I am today, it is not rudeness, it is that I'm not wasting time and being to the point. I look towards the collapse of these countires, and the Major signs of the Day of Judgement, my behaviour is not wrong or worse then yours, even Allah said those people who think they were going to be OK and nothing is going to happen to them (in way of their nations being destroyed etc) were WRONG.

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[titus]

Also the Jews have made their religion into a racial religion just like the Hindu Brahmins . You have to be born a Jew to be a Jew.

Really? Because I know of many people that have converted to Judaism.

And do you think Christianity and Judaism are really that much different than when Muhammad was around? Did the things you associate with Christianity and Judaism not exist back then? Or do you think Muhammad was just unaware of such things?

Do you think Christians are not monotheistic because of the Trinity? Well, Christians believed in the the Trinity back then also, and Muhammad still considered them people of the book

What has happened is that people have come up with excuses to hate other religions and people have fallen for them.

I am a woman, I don't speak softly if your not my husband, not like the western women, were they speak similar and treat even other Males the same way as they would do with their husbands.

Not sure what you mean by that. If you are insinuating that non-Muslims women speak softly then you haven't met my wife.

Shall I sit there with non-Muslims and plan to talk about Islam casually that they are going to learn in their own sweet time, when I have to get up tomorrow and leave them?

Of course not. How silly of me. The obvious course of action is to berate them and insult them. That is how you will get them to repent.

I am sure you believe that Muhammad would be proud of you for being rude and refusing to befriend all non-Muslims.

 

[Ramadhan]

Do you think Christians are not monotheistic because of the Trinity?

Yes.

Well, Christians believed in the the Trinity back then also, and Muhammad still considered them people of the book

You need to read christianity history 101.

What has happened is that people have come up with excuses to hate other religions and people have fallen for them.

I agree. You need to tell this to those rabid christian missionaries, christians who support invasion and occupation of Afghan and Iraq because of religion, zionists who see Islam as enemies and need to rid all palestinians from their own homes and land.

And then we can talk.

 

[titus]

You need to read christianity history 101

Really? Do you have sources that say that Christians 1400 years ago did not believe that Jesus was the Son of God?

The Quran even verifies that the Christians of the time considered Jesus to be the Son of God. This is nothing new.

The Quran says that Christians worship Jesus as the Son of God, yet also calls it a monotheistic religion.

I agree. You need to tell this to those rabid christian missionaries, christians who support invasion and occupation of Afghan and Iraq because of religion, zionists who see Islam as enemies and need to rid all palestinians from their own homes and land.

And then we can talk.

So you deny friendship to all based on the actions of some?

That is just as irrational as someone hating all Muslims because 9/11 or Mumbai.

I am sorry, but in this case two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[titus]

I am thankful that I had Muslim friends before I began visiting this board otherwise my opinion of Muslims and Islam would be very different.
If this site was my introduction to Islam I would believe that Islam teaches that non-muslims are all liars and fools and that Muslims should treat them all as enemies and that Muslims should not be friendly to non-muslims.

I would then feel empathy with those that say that Islam promotes hatred and that Islam is the enemy because that it what Muslims here say is the case. After all it is only rational to fear such a large group that openly voices their disdain for all people who do not share their specific beliefs.

Thankfully the Muslims I know personally are not that narrow minded. They portray a positive image of Islam in their actions and deeds. They are kind to me. I know I can rely on their help if I need it (which I have) and they can rely on me if they need it (which they have).

They tell me that the Quran does not teach hatred. The posters on this forum say otherwise.

Who should I believe?

 

[Ramadhan]

Really? Do you have sources that say that Christians 1400 years ago did not believe that Jesus was the Son of God?

the council of nicea (4th century) voted to make Jesus as god and established trinity.
There were still christians (followers of jesus pbuh teachings, and not christians as understood now) who believed in one God and Jesus pbuh as His prophet and messenger, eg. the arians. But the roman christians prosecuted them.

[quote}The Quran even verifies that the Christians of the time considered Jesus to be the Son of God. This is nothing new.[/quote]

The Qur'an indeed tells of the allegation made that Jesus to be the son of god. But the Qur'an did not say that ALL christians at that time consider Jesus pbuh as the son of God.

The Quran says that Christians worship Jesus as the Son of God, yet also calls it a monotheistic religion.

give me those Qur'an verses.
Or do all christians make it ok to change verses from scriptures?
This explains how Jesus pbuh teachings were twisted.

So you deny friendship to all based on the actions of some?

where did I say that?

I am sorry, but in this case two wrongs don't make a right.

I am sorry but statistics show that christians have killed millions of muslims alone in the past century, and then now claiming innocence?

How munafiqoon!

 

[ardianto]

Again, being critical of how I write then what I say, complain to the Moderator.

You can't do an action from your personal initiative then say "If you want to complain, complain to ...., not to me". You can't start something but force someone else to finish it.

Run from responsibility is incorrect according Islamic etiquette (adab).

Just remind you, sister.

 

[h-n]

Really? Because I know of many people that have converted to Judaism.

Not sure what you mean by that. If you are insinuating that non-Muslims women speak softly then you haven't met my wife.

Of course not. How silly of me. The obvious course of action is to berate them and insult them. That is how you will get them to repent.

I am sure you believe that Muhammad would be proud of you for being rude and refusing to befriend all non-Muslims.

1. We talk formally, not nicely so people would think I am their friend. If this was not a problem, then you wouldn't be complaining about it in the first place.

2. I am to the point, what do you expect us to do, say to the non-Muslims that we are your friends and then the next hour we have to join the Mahdi, so we are not your friends now?

We are not friends with non-Muslims and never will be.

Also there are Chrsitians who never worshipped Prophet Jesus peace be upon him and that even there are those who still don't today.

The Jews never said to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him that he is the same as them nor did the Christians so who are you todoy??

Islam is perfect, worship the one God and remember the Day of Judgement and in Paradise and Hell.

If any Prophet was alive today, they would be saying to people to repent to Allah and remember the Day of Judgement. They would not be teaching the relgious to be friends with infidels.

Prophet Noah peace be upon him did not teach people to be friends with infidels
Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him did not teach people to be friends with infidels.

We tolerate people only.

You say you have Muslim friends, then ask them this, that when the Dajjal is here, and that you are not a Muslim would they still be your friend??? If they are truly your friend then they would say yes.

When did Prophet Noah peace be upon him say to the sinful, that I am your friend but I'm going to leave you to drown?

Its hilarious you quote Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him (when again if any Prophet was in this world, they wouldn't tell us to be friends with infidels) and how Muslims are supposed to be, you are typically as sinners, just care about people being nice to you, is this not what evil people do? Even lewd females who don't repent, just asking to find the next Male who will be "nice" to them. AS explained plenty of times in "Non-Muslims and Islam", "Kindness" etc we don't just sit there being kind to people for the sake of it, we do it because we respect that they belong to Allah, but when they turn their backs on Allah, why should we treat them as one of the inhabitants of Paradise? You already know how good people are and still refuse to repent, looking for the life of this world.

 

[h-n]

You can't do an action from your personal initiative then say "If you want to complain, complain to ...., not to me". You can't start something but force someone else to finish it.

Run from responsibility is incorrect according Islamic etiquette (adab).

Just remind you, sister.

That's just pathetic, you got nothing good to say, then don't, I have already explained I don't want to get banned from this forum.

I am not running away from my reponsibility, as I said whatever the decision is, I won't be complaining about it, and they can complain on the Day of Judgemet, and still if I have done something wrong, I am still responsible.

 

[Supreme]

Your a joke, you keep on blaming Allah if you go to Hell, when your own actions have sent you there, that is what you have done to yourself.

My own actions? What, by not believing that God is a sadistic psycopath who enjoys watching people suffer when they don't compliment Him in the right way?

Allah is Merciful, you going to Hell if you don't repent does not change that.
Allah is Merciful, a person being malicious does not change that.

I think you need to look up the definition of merciful in a dictionary- sending people to Hell is many things, but it is most certainly not merciful!

The rest of your post isn't worth a modicum of intellectual debate. All I can say is that you should consider my points. It is likely you have never thought about Hell before- it was just 'the way things are done'- judging by your poor arguments, you most certainly haven't thought about it before.

 

[Supreme]

Of course not. How silly of me. The obvious course of action is to berate them and insult them. That is how you will get them to repent

Ironically, it was this sort of moronic talk of Hell and insulting other that almost stopped me from becoming Christian. Only when I looked closer into the religion, and discovered it had oh so much more depth, that I decided that God wasn't the sadistic, human like diety obsessed with seeking vengeance on those brave enough to oppose Him that many fundamentalist Christians portrayed Him as.

 

[Ramadhan]

I think you need to look up the definition of merciful in a dictionary- sending people to Hell is many things, but it is most certainly not merciful!

You are the first christian I know that does not believe in heaven and hell.

Interesting.

 

[h-n]

My own actions? What, by not believing that God is a sadistic psycopath who enjoys watching people suffer when they don't compliment Him in the right way?



I think you need to look up the definition of merciful in a dictionary- sending people to Hell is many things, but it is most certainly not merciful!

The rest of your post isn't worth a modicum of intellectual debate. All I can say is that you should consider my points. It is likely you have never thought about Hell before- it was just 'the way things are done'- judging by your poor arguments, you most certainly haven't thought about it before.

Allah is Most Merciful and Compassionate. Stop picking and choosing what you want from religion. Yes, I have thought about it, and absolutely accept it.

You wrong yourselves when you do evil, Allah did not force you to reject him, kill people, be lewd etc.

I am not in doubt 100%. Its rather that you think that we are going to be like you, because you are a rejector of truth, when frankly a Muslim is nowhere near to how yo are!!! That is why you keep on saying it over and over again. It acceptable that people who do evil go to Hell, were else do you think he was going to take them? For a tour around the Universe?

Why do you think that Allah destroyed the homosexuals at the time of Prophet Lut? So they could go for a picnic in the next world?

Why do you think that Allah destroyed the sinners at the time of Prophet Noah peace be upon him? So they could go for a walk around heaven? So Allah destroyed all the sinners just to take them happily into Heaven. And anyway if he wanted to take people to heaven, he would have taken Prophet Noah peace be upon him and his followers not others.

Also stop derailing this thread, its not about what you believe in, its about how people are WHEN they repent to Allah (when they have accepted the one God, Day of Judgement Hell, Paradise).

 

[Supreme]

You are the first christian I know that does not believe in heaven and hell.

Interesting.

Where did I ever state this? I believe in both, but certainly not the ones most Muslims (or even most Christians) believe in. It seems too simplistic for my liking, and I do not believe God is simplistic, in any sense of the word.

Allah is Most Merciful and Compassionate. Stop picking and choosing what you want from religion. Yes, I have thought about it, and absolutely accept it.

See? Debate with someone so utterly convinced that they cannot even counter an argument coherently is worthless. Yours is a cookie cutter approach- ideally, you'd follow the blessed Prophet and blessed scholars, and God would permit you to Heaven for doing nothing more that what your fellow man demands you to do. It's too simplistic, and that's my main qualm with it.

I am not in doubt 100%. Its rather that you think that we are going to be like you, because you are a rejector of truth, when frankly a Muslim is nowhere near to how yo are!!! That is why you keep on saying it over and over again. It acceptable that people who do evil go to Hell, were else do you think he was going to take them? For a tour around the Universe?

Nope. But I certainly didn't think their final destination would reminisce the old mythological domain of Hades, either. Unless, of course, God took advise from the ancient Greek, Egyptian and Roman civilisations on how to create an afterlife. Which seems unlikely.

Also stop derailing this thread, its not about what you believe in, its about how people are WHEN they repent to Allah (when they have accepted the one God, Day of Judgement Hell, Paradise).

I'll stop 'derailing' the thread (if we take derailing to mean providing a sensible discussion amongst your ridiculous posts) when you stop repeating yourself. Deal?

 

[ardianto]

That's just pathetic, you got nothing good to say, then don't, I have already explained I don't want to get banned from this forum.

I am not running away from my reponsibility, as I said whatever the decision is, I won't be complaining about it, and they can complain on the Day of Judgemet, and still if I have done something wrong, I am still responsible.

This is not about what you say, but about how you say it. I know your intention is good, but your method in telling your messages is needs a little correction.

Okay sister, now is midnight in my place. I must go to bed. Insha Allah, I'll be back tomorrow.

 

[CosmicPathos]

My own actions? What, by not believing that God is a sadistic psycopath who enjoys watching people suffer when they don't compliment Him in the right way?



I think you need to look up the definition of merciful in a dictionary- sending people to Hell is many things, but it is most certainly not merciful!

The rest of your post isn't worth a modicum of intellectual debate. All I can say is that you should consider my points. It is likely you have never thought about Hell before- it was just 'the way things are done'- judging by your poor arguments, you most certainly haven't thought about it before.

The problem is that Allah is not just Merciful. He is Wrathful. Your feeble mind failed to comprehend that when you were learning about Allah.

So its like saying this. Doctors are merciful. If they were not, they wont be helping patients. But the last time I checked, doctors cause necessary pain: pricking the skin for injections or what not. Are they technically being merciful? ooh sometimes, doctors would reject what their patient wants and if the want is even legit. Lets say a painkiller?

 

[Supreme]

So its like saying this. Doctors are merciful. If they were not, they wont be helping patients. But the last time I checked, doctors cause necessary pain: pricking the skin for injections or what not. Are they technically being merciful? ooh sometimes, doctors would reject what their patient wants and if the want is even legit. Lets say a painkiller?

Good grief! An analogy comparing Allah to doctors. Spare me from such strawmen in future!

 

[Ramadhan]

Where did I ever state this? I believe in both, but certainly not the ones most Muslims (or even most Christians) believe in. It seems too simplistic for my liking, and I do not believe God is simplistic, in any sense of the word.

So how do you propose the heaven-hell-god plays out?
is your view supported by the holy scripture that you believe in?

Because from your posts, I barely recognize christianity and seems like a whole new religion.