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Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

perhaps arrange for at least three people walking home because if its just two then surely the third is the shaytaan.

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Do you think A'isha should have walked alone till she reached the Prophet, peace be upon him? In the indicent which was talked about in Surah An Nur.
 
Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

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Do you mean alone with the man? Of course she should have because she was in a situation of great need!
 
Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

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maybe the brother can bring his mother, sisters or relatives along....

just my one cent :hiding:

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Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

I don't think there is any need for me to contribute in this thread, Brother IsaAbdullah has done an excellent job below.

Assalamu Aleykum,

Am abit amazed, so instead of a sister walking with a brother, the sister should walk alone at 10 pm in a dangerous area?

I do understand that men and women should not be alone together, but what is in this situation the lesser evil? This is why I suggest the sister to ask someone of knowledge because in my view, I think that walking with the brother may be allowed in order to avoid anything like rape or robbery from non-Muslim.

But walking with the brother would mean something like the way Ai'sha was accompanied by that man, he didnt say a word to her, and he didnt look at her, he held the camel thing and walked head until they reached their place.

I do agree that it could lead to the guy being tempted, but if you keep to certain rules, i.e. him walking abit far from you, him not talking to you, him not looking at you, then I would let my daughter do that, for the simple case that it's a neccesasity.

But again, I urge you to ask a scholar, there are many a great site, the above was my personal view, and not a view to be held to be right since Im a mere baby Muslim, a lay man, so I ask you insha'Allah to ask a person of knowledge


EDIT: Or you could just not go to the place of knowledge.


Plus, is it even allowed for a sister to walk alone in the dark and at night and so on?
 
Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

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lol look i'm sorry bro's, but i gotta break it to you's... here's the story of barseesah.... and it's a real life story, not a fairy tail:


There was a man who lived amongst the children of Israel named Barseesa. His worship and devotion to Allah was so great that we call him ‘aabid bani Isra’eel’: the great worshipper from the Children of Israel.

During his time, the King of the land made a call for men to join the army to fight in a jihad against an enemy. Amongst those who wanted to sign up were three brothers, but there was one problem. They had one sister and no other family to look after her. So they decided to go to Barseesa, the righteous man, and ask him to look after her in their absence, as they feared no evil from him.

Barseesa immediately refused their request: he would rather devote his time to worship of Allah. But when the three brothers went away, shaitan came to Barseesa and whispered to him “If you don’t look after the sister, then they will leave her in the hands of someone else, and then her safety isn’t guaranteed.”

So Barseesa changed his mind and took responsibility for the sister while the three brothers left. He left her in a house next to the building in which he prayed and each day he would prepare her some food and leave it outside his house for her, and then she would come and pick it up.

After some time, shaitan again came to Barseesa and suggested “why don’t you go and deliver the food to her doorstep. As it is, she is coming out of the house and everyone sees her, and you can see her inconvenience.”
So Barseesa accepted this suggestion and started taking the food right to the doorstep of where she was staying.

This continued for a while until shaitan came to him again and said “how can you leave the food at her doorstep? She still has to open the door and people see her.” Barseesa again changed his plan and decided to take the food into the house. But that was it, he decide. No further.

So this continued for a while until shaitan came and whispered to him “why dont you ever ask her how she is, at the moment she lives like a prisoner no one ever talks to her.” So now Barseesa started to talk to her, and soon they were smiling and laughing with each other and then passions flared, and then they fell in love, and then Barseesa, `aabid Bani Israeel, committed zina.
The story doesn’t end there because she became pregnant.

Shaitan now came to Barseesa and said “What have you done? If those three brothers come back and find their sister with a child, they will know that you betrayed their trust and committed zina with their sister, and then they are going to kill you. The only way to get out of this situation is to kill the child.” So Barseesa killed the child.

Shaitan came back to him again and warned “Do you think that the woman is going to keep quiet about the fact that you killed her child? The only way you can save yourself from this situation is to kill her too.” So Barseesa killed her as well.

Time passed, and the three brothers returned from jihad and asked for their sister. Barseesa merely pointed to a fake grave in which he had buried some animal bones. So the brothers cried and returned to their home.

However, shaitan came to each of them in a dream and said “that man Barseesa is a liar. When you were away he committed zina with your sister and then he killed her and their child and buried her in such-and-such place. And the grave you were shown is a fake grave with animal bones in it.”
When these three brothers woke up, they were shocked that they had all shared the same dream. So they checked the false grave to find the animal bones, and found the real grave of their sister and her child. When they interrogated Barseesa about it he confessed to everything, so they chained him up and dragged him to the King so that he could be executed. On the way there, shaitan appeared to Barseesa in a physical form and said “O Barseesa, do you know who i am? I am shaitan, and i am the one who has led you along this path. And now i am the only one who can save you.” Barseesa begged for help, so shaitaan instructed “If you prostrate to me i will save you.” So Barseesa prostrated to shaitan and … shaitan disappeared.

Barseesa ex-`aabid Bani Israeel was led away and executed. The once best of people died as the worst of poeple.

The point of the story is, you might think at the beginning that what you are doing is fine and that you can keep check on your emotions and everything, but you don’t know where this will lead to. Shaitan didn’t come to Barseesa directly and tell him to commit zina or murder, rather he took the softly-softly approach, and Barseesa fell for it. Shaitan doesn’t come to us guys and say “go and sleep with that girl.” He starts off by saying “hey, check her out, isn’t she pretty.” And then, “why don’t you just pop over there and say hello to her?”* and then … i guess you know what i’m saying. This excellent story was shared by a brother, may Allah (SWT) reward him. AMEEN.

When Allah has said that shaytan is an awoved enemy to you and we dont understand all his little ways that he uses to trap us, why open the door for him…



please note: we're not trying to take a go at the bro the original poster mentioned, but we just want the best for everyone.... precaution better than cure ;)

after reading the above story... i think it becomes obvious which is the 'lesser evil' :uuh:


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Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

Do you think A'isha should have walked alone till she reached the Prophet, peace be upon him? In the indicent which was talked about in Surah An Nur.

what the? BRO ! im saying that if the brother can arrange a third person then that would be much better but if he cant then may Allah protect the brother and sister from the shaytaan and its better for him to walk her home.

this is simply my opinion.


ALLAHU ALLAM
 
Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

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Brother IsaAbdullah and many of you are in right, the sister's safety is the most important thing here.
Original poster, you say this brother is modest and decent, insha'Allah you're right , you are best to judge this, not us.

I myself wish you would have found a solution to this problem before when taking the course, arranging someone to pick you up. But if this is the case, the brother is not the safest choice, many things aren't safe these days (like taxi, walking alone etc.), but he's the best possible at the moment. May Allah (swt) keep you both safe from Shaitaan.

Insha'Allah, for the future maybe you could arrange someone picking you up, or you could ask other sisters to drive you home, if someone picks them up etc.

Allahu Alaam.

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Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

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Why I said no, you shouldn't, is that if he were to attack you, it would be difficult to prove in court that he forced you. He could say you agreed to go walk with him and go to a quite place etc. This is for all women in general, if you put yourself in a situation where you agree to be alone with a man, and the man attacks you, it is difficult to prove in court that it was non-consensual.

A sister wrote how she was raped by a "religious", married brother, she knew his wife and kids, he was also involved in the same Islamic projects. He offered her a lift home and it happened.

By holding the course so late, I assume the institution thinks it's safe. I think it's in the UK or something? Not Kandahar or Baghdad...? So I'd say it's safe to walk alone, but I'd recommend the sister to carry a full length umbrella! Or try and change to a course earlier in the day?
 
Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

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Why I said no, you shouldn't, is that if he were to attack you, it would be difficult to prove in court that he forced you. He could say you agreed to go walk with him and go to a quite place etc. This is for all women in general, if you put yourself in a situation where you agree to be alone with a man, and the man attacks you, it is difficult to prove in court that it was non-consensual.

A sister wrote how she was raped by a "religious", married brother, she knew his wife and kids, he was also involved in the same Islamic projects. He offered her a lift home and it happened.

By holding the course so late, I assume the institution thinks it's safe. I think it's in the UK or something? Not Kandahar or Baghdad...? So I'd say it's safe to walk alone, but I'd recommend the sister to carry a full length umbrella! Or try and change to a course earlier in the day?

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That's what all of us think could happen being alone with a man.
Insha'Allah, the sister has taken our words to heart and understands the risks.

You had a point there, maybe the institution does think it's safe when it's so late, but then again, you take the course on your own risk and the sister I think mentioned that it's dangerous at night there.

The best thing she really could do, is change the course for an earlier time, if it's possible (?).

Another valid point you made, was to carry an "weapon" with you. An umbrella or peppermint spray, something to make you feel safer (and which is not illegal).

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Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

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did ne1 read anon's post at the beginnin of dis page :?
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Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

:sl:

Are people here forgetting that when two people are alone together the third person is shaytan??

I'm pretty sure the prophet never made an exception for whether the person was righteous or not. :?
 
Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

^^^yup...you are right.

not we don't trust the brother...actually we don't trust the 'shaytan'. He will do anything to win.
 
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I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)

Listen to the holy Quran---the Final Testament
Recitation of Sura Fathiha by Shiekh Saad Al-Ghamdhi of Saudi Arabia
http://www.islamworld.net/fathiha.au


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:sl: every friday i have an evening lesson which finishes at 10pm is quite far from where i live so this religious brother in my college offered to walk me home.
i havent got any mahram(2 died one the others dont live in the country), what do i say? hes into the religion and his intentions are gd.

wat do i do? :w:

can u ask ur course teacher to finish it early ? U can give a notice in the board for any sister who lives nearby to accompany u . Is this lesson very imp for u ? Can't u learn something else that is near to ur res ?

Ask Allah to make it easy for u. Insha Allah , problem will be solved.
 
Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

Salaam;
^^^yup...you are right.

not we don't trust the brother...actually we don't trust the 'shaytan'. He will do anything to win.


yes . That's the point....it's the devil/shaytan......we must not give him any chance to provoke us. Night after night , if 2 young persons spend much time together ( on the way home ) , chances are high that satan will try his best to create evil.


Well Sis , another solution......is it possible for u to get married so that u can get a Muharim ?
 
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Salaam;

Daffodil:
when ever she wanted to change
direction she would throw a rock in front of him and he would turn in that
direction.

----is this from hadith ? I read the specific chapter long ago , i don't remember any such verse.



my friend came to my house once n she had to go n teach at the madressa which is about 10 mins away and it was dark n shes extremely practicing and covers fully, hands and face. and she needed some one to drop her off cuz n we dnt have a car so i told my husband to drop her off n walk well ahead of her because i didnt want the sister to be walking on her own in the dark in a shady area, its too dangerous.

---I once also requested my husband to give my friend a lift....but once or twice giving a lift and accompany daily .....tha't's the different thing.

exception can take place under necessity.....but it must not take place daily ? Why this course is so imp for the sis ? Is not any other course that is nearby?



im sure it wud be ok.[/QUOTE]
 
Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

:sl:

Are people here forgetting that when two people are alone together the third person is shaytan??

I'm pretty sure the prophet never made an exception for whether the person was righteous or not. :?

:sl:

Of course not, we've mentioned it a lot of times that the Shaitaan will be the third.
But as said before, she may be in danger and we should protect our sisters and brothers.

Though I do agree, this doesn't justifie that a women is together with a non-mehram at night... This actually puts her in an another dangerous situation. When taking the course she must have realized it will be dark and dangerous outside and she has no mehram to walk with, so a bad mistake has been made.

In all seriousness sis Anon, one time him coming with you is already too much, even though he might have meant nothing bad.

Rather end the course, change it to earlier or find another way, just make sure you're not alone with a non-mehram and don't put yourself in these kinds of situations were you might be in danger.


The story of Barseesah was just plain horrible, and similiar things still happen in these days, astagfirullah.

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Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

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anon please my sincere advise even though all this has probably caused you to run away is, if its really dangerous for you then do everything in trying to arrange a third person to walk home along with you preferably a family member, always keep the gaze down, keep chit chat to a complete minimum, keep remembrance of Allah swt to a maximum and try to arrange for someone to walk you home (maybe a family member/cousin someone!!)
 
Re: brother walkin me home? allowed?

Rather end the course, change it to earlier or find another way, just make sure you're not alone with a non-mehram and don't put yourself in these kinds of situations were you might be in danger.

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Exactly. :) To be honest if I didn't have a safe way to get home I wouldnt go to the course in the first place (as upsetting as that would be).
 
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