Outrage over controversial Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett

[The_Prince]

anjem choudry should not call the march off, i dont agree with his tactics, but since there are hypocrites calling for its ban, i am fully supporting it, these hypocrites have no problem in doing such things to Muslims, but now they want to cry foul? i hope choudry protests and offends as many people as possible, this is your freedom of speech, enjoy its taste, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[JoshuaD]

so what? last i checked its not a crime to get offended, its so amazing you guys start going against the very things you tell us Muslims! when you seek to cause maximum offense to Muslims by insulting our prophet, religion, and protest infront of our mosques, you say oh well thats a democracy with freedom of speech! now when the shoe is on the other foot you start crying foul play!

EDL members going around England calling Muslims terrorists, calling Allah a pedophile, calling for violence etc etc is a maximum cause for offense to the Muslim community in the UK, i dont see anyone banning them.

There are 62 million people in the United Kingdom. Very few of them have ever performed the things you said such as insulting Muslims, Islam, your prophets etc; This group are deliberately offending a large portion of the people they share their country with.

Ummmm, if you don't see people trying to ban the EDL then maybe pick up a newspaper from time to time? Several councils and politicians have called for the EDL to be banned, even the BNP have called for EDL protests to be banned!

 

[JoshuaD]

anjem choudry should not call the march off, i dont agree with his tactics, but since there are hypocrites calling for its ban, i am fully supporting it, these hypocrites have no problem in doing such things to Muslims, but now they want to cry foul? i hope choudry protests and offends as many people as possible, this is your freedom of speech, enjoy its taste, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Congratulations for supporting the ever increasing Islamophobia in the UK! ^o) His protests will achieve nothing - he's not increasing awareness of civilians killed in Afghanistan, he's just making people in Britain hate Muslims even more.

 

[The_Prince]

Congratulations for supporting the ever increasing Islamophobia in the UK! ^o) His protests will achieve nothing - he's not increasing awareness of civilians killed in Afghanistan, he's just making people in Britain hate Muslims even more.

Islamophobia is on the rise with or without choudry, you guys have constantly been attacking us and our faith, mocking us, killing us, etc etc, the hate has already been up from a long time ago, it didnt just happen yesterday when choudry announced his plans.

 

[The_Prince]

There are 62 million people in the United Kingdom. Very few of them have ever performed the things you said such as insulting Muslims, Islam, your prophets etc; This group are deliberately offending a large portion of the people they share their country with.

Ummmm, if you don't see people trying to ban the EDL then maybe pick up a newspaper from time to time? Several councils and politicians have called for the EDL to be banned, even the BNP have called for EDL protests to be banned!

i didnt see the PM or Alan Johnson seriously consider banning them, a few politicians came out saying dont let the EDL march, that was all, the major powers that be didnt really care or say much.

 

[The_Prince]

i know many Muslims are worried of a backlash, well maybe we Muslims should be ready for it and stand up for ourselves, not play weak and scared, thats not going to help out at all, its not like we are an insignificant group of people who cannot react as well. everyones going on about the sleeping giant of Britian has woken up bla bla bla, what about the sleeping giant of Muslims waking up? we Muslims have been taking so much garbage from these people in Britian, and all over Europe, maybe its time Muslims stand up and be counted instead of quietly taking it, and then fearing for more! if these cowards are saying be ready for a backlash you tell them well you be ready for our responses too, because were not gonna just sit down and take it.

I certainly dont fear any backlash, if a backlash comes let it come.

 

[Supreme]

Cheers for the articles Uthman, as ever interesting to get the opinions of journalists! My favourite bits are:

Choudary and his gang deploy "a simple formula – hold up some offensive placards designed to get people's backs up and call a local reporter to come along and capture some footage – that has reliably generated acres of media coverage for them in recent years".

Choudary and co couldn't even persuade enough people to join a "march for sharia" that they had proudly planned to hold in central London in late October, and, at the very last minute, had to humiliatingly withdraw from their own rally. Pathetic, eh?

And here's a question for Choudary: of the 1,013 civilian deaths in Afghanistan between January and June 2009, recorded by the United Nations, 595 were attributed to "anti-government elements" and 310 to Nato and government forces. So will he and his odious chums have the guts to fly out to Afghanistan and march through the streets of Kabul and Kandahar, carrying coffins symbolising the innocent Afghans killed by the Taliban and al-Qaida? If he agrees to do so, I'll pay for his airfare myself.

I think I'll happily chip in too lol!

Also, I don't think the march should be banned, but if the local MP, town mayor, Home Secretary and even the Prime Minister don't have the power to stop this, who on Earth does have the power?

 

[glo]

anjem choudry should not call the march off, i dont agree with his tactics, but since there are hypocrites calling for its ban, i am fully supporting it, these hypocrites have no problem in doing such things to Muslims, but now they want to cry foul? i hope choudry protests and offends as many people as possible, this is your freedom of speech, enjoy its taste, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The thing is, if he truly wants to raise people's awareness of the civilians killed in Afghanistan, then he would do well to find the most effective way to communicate this to the British public.

Trying to offend people simply isn't the best way to go about it - all it will achieve is that people will turn away, not listen at all and remain convinced of their personally held views.

Much of my work centers around communication and how we can make people listen and pay attention, so I feel passionately about good communication.

The question is, does Choudry want to inform and teach the public about atrocities which are taking place in Afghanistan, or does he want to shock and offend?
I fear it may be the latter ... and the result would possibly be an even greater divide within our society - between Muslims and non-Muslims.

What on earth would that achieve??? :hmm:

 

[The_Prince]

The thing is, if he truly wants to raise people's awareness of the civilians killed in Afghanistan, then he would do well to find the most effective way to communicate this to the British public.

Trying to offend people simply isn't the best way to go about it - all it will achieve is that people will turn away, not listen at all and remain convinced of their personally held views.

Much of my work centers around communication and how we can make people listen and pay attention, so I feel passionately about good communication.

The question is, does Choudry want to inform and teach the public about atrocities which are taking place in Afghanistan, or does he want to shock and offend?
I fear it may be the latter ... and the result would possibly be an even greater divide within our society - between Muslims and non-Muslims.

What on earth would that achieve??? :hmm:

well if division happens, then so be it, freedom of speech is freedom of speech, unless any laws are being broken, then this must be allowed to go ahead.

lol i didnt see too many westerners complaining when their freedom of speech was causing major divisions between themselves and Muslims, it was all in the name of democracy and freedom of speech, hence no difference here. who knows, maybe choudry's efforts will soon one day make such protests the norm.

 

[glo]

well if division happens, then so be it, freedom of speech is freedom of speech, unless any laws are being broken, then this must be allowed to go ahead.

lol i didnt see too many westerners complaining when their freedom of speech was causing major divisions between themselves and Muslims, it was all in the name of democracy and freedom of speech, hence no difference here. who knows, maybe choudry's efforts will soon one day make such protests the norm.

My post was not about freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech just means you can speak your mind, but it doesn't guarantee that people will listen or take you seriously.

If Choudry wants people to listen, take him seriously and learn from what he has to say, then he would do better to find a more appropriate way of communication.
If what he wants is to cause upset, upheaval and division, then that's his choice.

It just makes me wonder what his intentions and motivations are ...
He has freedom of speech either way - but whether he puts it to use wisely is up to him (and his followers)

What do you think are the benefits of the planned march in Wootton Bassett? And for whom?

 

[Muezzin]

Also, I don't think the march should be banned, but if the local MP, town mayor, Home Secretary and even the Prime Minister don't have the power to stop this, who on Earth does have the power?

 

[KAding]

Also, I don't think the march should be banned, but if the local MP, town mayor, Home Secretary and even the Prime Minister don't have the power to stop this, who on Earth does have the power?

Nobody in government I think, that kinda is the point of fundamental rights after all. At least, not as long as public safety is not being threatened. If there are indications there could be riots local authorities might be authorized to disallow the protest, but even then probably only temporarily.

Theoretically I would imagine it would require changing the law to grant more powers to local of national governments to ban protests like these on the basis that they 'offend'. So collectively British Parliament has the power, but only in the sense that they can articulate general exceptions to the freedom of gathering and expression. That would obviously take a long time to complete, as legislative changes need to pass through the necessary legislative process. It would take months at least. And even then I do not believe they have the power to ban this protest specifically.

 

[aadil77]

Cheers for the articles Uthman, as ever interesting to get the opinions of journalists! My favourite bits are:

I think I'll happily chip in too lol!

Also, I don't think the march should be banned, but if the local MP, town mayor, Home Secretary and even the Prime Minister don't have the power to stop this, who on Earth does have the power?

Before you get too excited
We don't have to trust any UN figures, they're just as credibal as israel trying to claim most of its murders were hamas fighters during 'op cast lead'

 

[aadil77]

i know many Muslims are worried of a backlash, well maybe we Muslims should be ready for it and stand up for ourselves, not play weak and scared, thats not going to help out at all, its not like we are an insignificant group of people who cannot react as well. everyones going on about the sleeping giant of Britian has woken up bla bla bla, what about the sleeping giant of Muslims waking up? we Muslims have been taking so much garbage from these people in Britian, and all over Europe, maybe its time Muslims stand up and be counted instead of quietly taking it, and then fearing for more! if these cowards are saying be ready for a backlash you tell them well you be ready for our responses too, because were not gonna just sit down and take it.

I certainly dont fear any backlash, if a backlash comes let it come.

Brother alot us would face up to a backlash is there was any, but we can't be selfish, theres muslims in the country already facing hell because they're a insignificant minority in a small white majority town or city, who is going to protect them?

 

[KAding]

Before you get too excited
We don't have to trust any UN figures, they're just as credibal as israel trying to claim most of its murders were hamas fighters during 'op cast lead'

Not a very good comparison. After all, the UN is not a party in the fighting.

If you do not trust the UN figures, what figures are you trusting? What do you believe the true figures to be? Do you think NATO or government forces are killing more than reported? Or that Taliban are killing less than reported? Both? On what do you base that opinion?

 

[KAding]

I certainly dont fear any backlash, if a backlash comes let it come.

Is there something in particular you think this backlash will achieve? Or is it mostly about such things as symbolism, pride and honor?

 

[aadil77]

Not a very good comparison. After all, the UN is not a party in the fighting.

If you do not trust the UN figures, what figures are you trusting? What do you believe the true figures to be? Do you think NATO or government forces are killing more than reported? Or that Taliban are killing less than reported? Both? On what do you base that opinion?

Everyone know things can be hushed up, facts can be mended to suit a parties needs and their own agenda, in islam we aren't meant to trust the words of a muslim who sins openly let alone the words of non-muslims.

 

[GazHughes]

Just thought I would add that Anjem Choudary has offered to cancel the march, on the con dition that Gordon Brown or one of his Ministers debate the Afghanistan war with him.

I for one would like to see this debate, I think Anjem Choudary would win as he is clearly the better orator and he is right about the Afghanistan war.

 

[The_Prince]

Brother alot us would face up to a backlash is there was any, but we can't be selfish, theres muslims in the country already facing hell because they're a insignificant minority in a small white majority town or city, who is going to protect them?

if Muslims start getting treated real bad, then there should be a response in the Muslim world, Muslims in the Muslim world should be made aware of whats going on, and hence the Brits in our countries dont get an easy pass. that may sound harsh, but thats what i mean when i say we Muslims are a sleeping giant too who can react if we really wanted to, what, Muslims are going to have to live like crap in britian while they come and live happily in our countries???? maybe that will make them think twice about hurting a Muslim in small town.

 

[Ramadhan]

Theoretically I would imagine it would require changing the law to grant more powers to local of national governments to ban protests like these on the basis that they 'offend'. So collectively British Parliament has the power, but only in the sense that they can articulate general exceptions to the freedom of gathering and expression. That would obviously take a long time to complete, as legislative changes need to pass through the necessary legislative process. It would take months at least. And even then I do not believe they have the power to ban this protest specifically.

In the other discussion about the danish cartoonists, atheist vehemently defend the rights of the cartoonists while reject the rights of more the billions muslims to be offended.

I sense that the attitude is reversed 180 degree here in the case of planned march.

the prophet of Muhammad SAW as war-mongering terrorist is clearly a BIG LIE, it is not even satire let alone a comedy.
Thousands of civilians killed in Afghanistan by foreign troops which include British troops = FACTS.