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“A PETITION PROTESTING AGAINST THE GOVERNMENTAL CHANGES IN EDUCATIONAL CURRICULUM IN PAKISTAN.”

On 6 May 2006,Federal Education Minister,Javed Ashraf Qazi announced that new revisions to the country’s eighteen yr old curriculum are to b presented in June 2006. the most significsnt revision is an increased emphasis on spreading the western values and beliefs amongst the next generation. US President Bush personally reviewed n approved impending reforms when he visited Pakistan in March 2006. On 5 March 2006,at a joint conference Bush declared, “And I thank you for your extensive briefing today on your plans to spread freedom throughout your country…President Musharaf briefed us on his education plans today, and they are farsighted and they are visionary.”

The Bush Admin’s high level interest in the education in Muslim countries is b/c it is extremely concerned about Muslim rejection of the occupation and colonialist domination of Muslim lands. Throughout that Muslim world, there is widespread anger against the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, the occupation by the Jewish state n India as well as the colonialist domination of Muslim lands.

In this situation America has shifted focus on Muslim education b/c it has realized the failure of using force to suppress Muslim rejection of occupation n colonialist domination. So having accepted that force against the present generation will not work, the Americans are depending on education to mould the future generation from a tender young age. And this is what Musharraf mentioned during his interview published by Daily Times on 24 May 2005,when he said, “You cannot change mindset in one generation. It will take two, three generations. And you can never do it by force.”

On 19 August 2005,the US state dept was asked to comment on criticism of guidelines for teachers to “develop aspiration for jihad” and “develop a sense of respect for the struggle of the Muslim population for achieving independence” and text books rejecting secular “man-made laws.” In response, the US state dept. spokesman, Sean McCormack, reassured his audience that,” We have engaged the Pakistani government on this issue, specially on the issue of text books and language that might-that, upon reading it, was clearly, clearly unacceptable and inciteful.”

The impending changes are to further spread Western values within the new generation, which will erode the noble values revealed by Allah swt. On 4 April 2005, Pakistan’s Education Minister announced plans to end separation of boys and girls in state schools in a hearing before National Assembly Standing Committee to Education.

This is just one measure to promote the western concept of personal freedom which encourages relationship outside of marriage and has already led to a wave of adultery, fornication, fatherless children and homosexuality in the West. And on 13 April 2006, the Education Minister confirmed that there will be a heavy emphasis on western values and culture in the new syllabus. These include idea of secularism, through which the west hopes that the Muslims would abandon that which Allah swt has revealed in favor of slavery to man- made laws.

The Kafir colonialists are spending their wealth and expending effort to ensure that your coming generations submit before them. Allah swt revealed;
“Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you until you follow their religion. Say: Verily, the Guidance of Allah is the only Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of knowledge(the Quran)(,then you would have against Allah neither any Wali(protector or Guardian) nor any helper.” (Surah al Baqarah 2:120)

In fact, the system in Pakistan has always ensured the success of every colonialist plan against you, whether it involved the assault on your lands, your resources and even your Deen. The system is the source of your misery and humiliation b/c it is secular, man made system which disregards the laws that Allah swt has revealed. This is why even though the faces changes from time to time, your troubles only increase in severity and number. RasulAllah saaw warned you that, “The believer is not stung from the same hole twice.”

SO ,WHY DO YOU RETURN TO THAT SYSTEM WHICH HAS STUNG YOU NOT ONLY ONCE,BUT COUNTLESS TIMES?
It is time for u to realize that the only way to rescue yourselves and your future generations from the misery n humiliation of this system, is by working to establish khilafaha its place. It will nurture your every son and daughter according to what Allah swt and His Messenger saaw said.

O you who believe! Protect yourselves and your families from the fire, whose fuel is people and stones.” (Surah at-Tahrim 66:6)



www.thepetition.com

 
personally i think musharraf should go and i think that the justice guy should jus stay in one place because where ever he goes trouble follows.

and all these imams in pakistan call for ppl to protest and riot, where are these imams when the bullets r fired? where are they when innocents die?

they dont care about the country they jus want power,its a power struggle in pakistan.

i think imran khan or inzamam:D would make heavy presidents
 
personally i think musharraf should go and i think that the justice guy should jus stay in one place because where ever he goes trouble follows.

and all these imams in pakistan call for ppl to protest and riot, where are these imams when the bullets r fired? where are they when innocents die?

they dont care about the country they jus want power,its a power struggle in pakistan.

i think imran khan or inzamam:D would make heavy presidents

imran khan? the guy who married a ghori princess who left him for american celebrity?

I think we give the chief justice a shot :D
 
imran khan? the guy who married a ghori princess who left him for american celebrity?

I think we give the chief justice a shot :D

just because he married someone dont make him a baddy:D hes good for the country

i dont think chief justice should be leader, he should get his job back, and i think they need like a ayub khan :p or someone :D
 
just because he married someone dont make him a baddy:D hes good for the country

i dont think chief justice should be leader, he should get his job back, and i think they need like a ayub khan :p or someone :D

i don't think we need a retired sports player to run the country, it's not a job for amatures.

is ayub khan still around?

What they really need is a scholar, no molvi saab, sports player, dirty politicans, or US friendly bigots.
 
^^Yea :D As much as we all want that, it would be hard for a country thats striving for democracy not Shariah. Whatever Allah wills.
 
Salaam,
Peace

AllahuAlim

I would agree with Br. Chacha Jalebi with regards to your comment on Imran Khan. If you think he isn't going to be a good leader, then that must mean you see a flaw in his vision for the country and how he claims he can lead his country to that better place in the future. Do him justice by criticizing him for his politics or his agenda. Not who he married, and that he was a cricketer before.

As for Pakistan in general. I reserve my comments for now.

WAllahu Alim

May Allah(SWT) forgive me if I'm wrong, and guide us all on His straight path and forgive us. Aameen.

Alaikum Salaam
Peace
 
personally i think musharraf should go and i think that the justice guy should jus stay in one place because where ever he goes trouble follows.

and all these imams in pakistan call for ppl to protest and riot, where are these imams when the bullets r fired? where are they when innocents die?

they dont care about the country they jus want power,its a power struggle in pakistan.

i think imran khan or inzamam:D would make heavy presidents

Almost everybody in Pakistan has the same opinion about Musharaf. He must go.
Your statement about the chief justice is not based on evidence. He is welcomed where ever he goes. There was no trouble when he went to Hyderabad. There was no trouble when he went to Peshawar. There was no trouble when he went to Lahore. Everybody wished to see him. People were very peaceful and united. It was government which created trouble in Karachi because the popularity of the chief justice was becoming a threat to the government.
 



Afghans demonstrate against Pakistan

By AMIR SHAH, Associated Press Writer
Wed May 16, 8:58 AM ET



KABUL, Afghanistan - About 1,000 Afghans shouting "Death to Pakistan" demonstrated in front of Pakistan's embassy in Kabul Wednesday, blaming the neighboring country for some of the bloodiest border clashes in years.

Many of the demonstrators were from the eastern province of Paktia, where the fighting between Afghan and Pakistani troops killed at least 13 Afghan border guards and civilians so far this week.

The demonstrators carried banners and shouted "Death to the ISI! Death to Musharraf," a reference to Pakistan's intelligence agency and President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

Afghan police wearing riot gear guarded the embassy in downtown Kabul. There were no reports of violence.

"We've run out of patience with Pakistan," said Sultan Uddin, 50, from the Jaji district of Paktia. "We're requesting President (Hamid) Karzai to give us weapons and remove the border police. We know how to deal with Pakistan."

Tensions have been running high between Afghanistan and Pakistan over controlling their 1,510-mile border, and stemming the flow of Taliban and al-Qaida militants who stage attacks inside Afghanistan.

Afghan officials said this week's border clashes began when Pakistani soldiers entered Afghan territory. Pakistan said Afghan soldiers started the clashes by firing on border posts.

On Monday, unidentified militants killed a U.S. soldier and a Pakistani soldier after a meeting in a Pakistani border region between officials from Pakistan, Afghanistan and the NATO peacekeeping force. The meeting was meant to cool tensions over the border fighting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070516/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan

 



Afghans demonstrate against Pakistan

By AMIR SHAH, Associated Press Writer
Wed May 16, 8:58 AM ET



KABUL, Afghanistan - About 1,000 Afghans shouting "Death to Pakistan" demonstrated in front of Pakistan's embassy in Kabul Wednesday, blaming the neighboring country for some of the bloodiest border clashes in years.

Many of the demonstrators were from the eastern province of Paktia, where the fighting between Afghan and Pakistani troops killed at least 13 Afghan border guards and civilians so far this week.

The demonstrators carried banners and shouted "Death to the ISI! Death to Musharraf," a reference to Pakistan's intelligence agency and President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

Afghan police wearing riot gear guarded the embassy in downtown Kabul. There were no reports of violence.

"We've run out of patience with Pakistan," said Sultan Uddin, 50, from the Jaji district of Paktia. "We're requesting President (Hamid) Karzai to give us weapons and remove the border police. We know how to deal with Pakistan."

Tensions have been running high between Afghanistan and Pakistan over controlling their 1,510-mile border, and stemming the flow of Taliban and al-Qaida militants who stage attacks inside Afghanistan.

Afghan officials said this week's border clashes began when Pakistani soldiers entered Afghan territory. Pakistan said Afghan soldiers started the clashes by firing on border posts.

On Monday, unidentified militants killed a U.S. soldier and a Pakistani soldier after a meeting in a Pakistani border region between officials from Pakistan, Afghanistan and the NATO peacekeeping force. The meeting was meant to cool tensions over the border fighting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070516/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan


There're only a few Afghans who are the touts of super powers. They want to create trouble with Pakistan. They're the ones who are trying to engage Pakistan in border clashes and sending their agents inside Pakistan to create problems in the tribal areas. They're also promoting anti Pakistan websites in Afghanistan. Pakistan wants to send all the Afghan refugees back to their country but these agents don't want Afghan people to come back to their homes.
 
US said they already have CIA/FBI and special ops in place in pakistan and will take over all paksitan nuclear facilities if the gov't is to collapse. They don't want any "nuclear technology/weapons" fall into "terrorists" hands.

As for Mushraf, he was given the ultimatem to either help US with its war on terror or be bombed back to stone age. And Mushraf said US would be no where without pakistan's help with this war. So some may say he tried to save pakistan by going along with the plan but many would say it was more for his personal gain as he got paid handsomely to go along, which is supported by the fact that he sold innocent pakistanis as qaeda "members" to US to support this war and show that they do have evil men hiding in pakistan.

Sacking of the judge was to put someone who isn't so critical of the gov't and who won't stop gov't from stringing anyone up in the court they want to shut them up.

The US can try all it's want to control pakistan, but if a revolution comes than no one will be save. No native who supports secularism nor any US offical in pakistan. It will be like Iran, you can't attack a whole nation of people.

it's no doubt true that u.s. probably already has CIA in pakistan. but if there was an islamic revolution, don't you think the u.s. would bomb and kill a lot of pakistanis?
what would this islamic revolution look like - who would you see as president? is the MMA free of corruption?
from what i read, i think pakistanis are tired of military rule and would like democracy and for pakistan to become a modern nation among nations and not slide further back. (this would not have to mean turning away from islam)do you think an islamic revolution could deliver?
i do get the impression that no one likes musharraf - but how much is he to blame - could he have really said NO to u.s.? what could he have done differently? u.s. does not respect sovereignty.
 
You are right, snake legs. People of Pakistan are facing very difficult times these days.
Various religious groups are trying to impose Talibanization on them from one side and the powerful and corrupt bureaucracy is imposing dictatorship on the other. When we say Talibanization, it doesn't exactly mean that they're trying to form the government of Taliban in Pakistan., but we mean to say that different small groups of religious terroists are trying to impose their own interpretations of sharia law on the people without getting their approval or consent. Similarly, Musharaf government is trying to impose its own interpretation of enlightenment on people which nothing but another propaganda trick of the dictatorship.
yes, this is how i see it and the people are the losers.
in addition to all the other problems pakistan faces - the baluchis and pashtuns are angry because central gov't is taking their resources without just compensation. isn't there practically a civil war going on in baluchistan?
 
:sl:
Before pakistan changes their government, they're gonna first need to do something about their economy.

I sincerely hope that whoever gets in power as the new leader of pakistan does some serious renewing of the laws, because presently they suck.

Ultimately though, since the economy is so bad you'll get bent cops (which is the case in pakistan) so no new law/government will make much difference if you can pay the cops of for 800 rupees. That's less than 8 pounds.
 
Salaam,
Peace

AllahuAlim

I would agree with Br. Chacha Jalebi with regards to your comment on Imran Khan. If you think he isn't going to be a good leader, then that must mean you see a flaw in his vision for the country and how he claims he can lead his country to that better place in the future. Do him justice by criticizing him for his politics or his agenda. Not who he married, and that he was a cricketer before.

As for Pakistan in general. I reserve my comments for now.

WAllahu Alim

May Allah(SWT) forgive me if I'm wrong, and guide us all on His straight path and forgive us. Aameen.

Alaikum Salaam
Peace

imran khan seems well respected and i agree - his marriage etc and past career does not really have anything to do with his capabilities. at least he has no record of corruption. as for the chief justice as possible leader, i don't know anything about him, so can't comment. i mean in theory, a chief justice should be free of corruption....but that is theory.
 
“A PETITION PROTESTING AGAINST THE GOVERNMENTAL CHANGES IN EDUCATIONAL CURRICULUM IN PAKISTAN.”

On 6 May 2006,Federal Education Minister,Javed Ashraf Qazi announced that new revisions to the country’s eighteen yr old curriculum are to b presented in June 2006. the most significsnt revision is an increased emphasis on spreading the western values and beliefs amongst the next generation. US President Bush personally reviewed n approved impending reforms when he visited Pakistan in March 2006. On 5 March 2006,at a joint conference Bush declared, “And I thank you for your extensive briefing today on your plans to spread freedom throughout your country…President Musharaf briefed us on his education plans today, and they are farsighted and they are visionary.”

The Bush Admin’s high level interest in the education in Muslim countries is b/c it is extremely concerned about Muslim rejection of the occupation and colonialist domination of Muslim lands. Throughout that Muslim world, there is widespread anger against the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, the occupation by the Jewish state n India as well as the colonialist domination of Muslim lands.

In this situation America has shifted focus on Muslim education b/c it has realized the failure of using force to suppress Muslim rejection of occupation n colonialist domination. So having accepted that force against the present generation will not work, the Americans are depending on education to mould the future generation from a tender young age. And this is what Musharraf mentioned during his interview published by Daily Times on 24 May 2005,when he said, “You cannot change mindset in one generation. It will take two, three generations. And you can never do it by force.”

On 19 August 2005,the US state dept was asked to comment on criticism of guidelines for teachers to “develop aspiration for jihad” and “develop a sense of respect for the struggle of the Muslim population for achieving independence” and text books rejecting secular “man-made laws.” In response, the US state dept. spokesman, Sean McCormack, reassured his audience that,” We have engaged the Pakistani government on this issue, specially on the issue of text books and language that might-that, upon reading it, was clearly, clearly unacceptable and inciteful.”

The impending changes are to further spread Western values within the new generation, which will erode the noble values revealed by Allah swt. On 4 April 2005, Pakistan’s Education Minister announced plans to end separation of boys and girls in state schools in a hearing before National Assembly Standing Committee to Education.

This is just one measure to promote the western concept of personal freedom which encourages relationship outside of marriage and has already led to a wave of adultery, fornication, fatherless children and homosexuality in the West. And on 13 April 2006, the Education Minister confirmed that there will be a heavy emphasis on western values and culture in the new syllabus. These include idea of secularism, through which the west hopes that the Muslims would abandon that which Allah swt has revealed in favor of slavery to man- made laws.

The Kafir colonialists are spending their wealth and expending effort to ensure that your coming generations submit before them. Allah swt revealed;
“Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you until you follow their religion. Say: Verily, the Guidance of Allah is the only Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of knowledge(the Quran)(,then you would have against Allah neither any Wali(protector or Guardian) nor any helper.” (Surah al Baqarah 2:120)

In fact, the system in Pakistan has always ensured the success of every colonialist plan against you, whether it involved the assault on your lands, your resources and even your Deen. The system is the source of your misery and humiliation b/c it is secular, man made system which disregards the laws that Allah swt has revealed. This is why even though the faces changes from time to time, your troubles only increase in severity and number. RasulAllah saaw warned you that, “The believer is not stung from the same hole twice.”

SO ,WHY DO YOU RETURN TO THAT SYSTEM WHICH HAS STUNG YOU NOT ONLY ONCE,BUT COUNTLESS TIMES?
It is time for u to realize that the only way to rescue yourselves and your future generations from the misery n humiliation of this system, is by working to establish khilafaha its place. It will nurture your every son and daughter according to what Allah swt and His Messenger saaw said.

O you who believe! Protect yourselves and your families from the fire, whose fuel is people and stones.” (Surah at-Tahrim 66:6)



www.thepetition.com


this is a huge problem. anything that has u.s. endorsement is naturally seen as suspect. yet aren't education and poverty (they go together) one of the largest problems facing pakistan?
is there any middle ground? is there anyway to take advantage of the u.s. without "selling out"?
from what i read (and it's impossible to know what's propaganda and what isn't), the madrassas are not equipping their students with necessary tools to compete in the "real" world, for which subjects other than just islam need to be studied. i've also heard that many do not even have a good education in islam.
 
yes, this is how i see it and the people are the losers.
in addition to all the other problems pakistan faces - the baluchis and pashtuns are angry because central gov't is taking their resources without just compensation. isn't there practically a civil war going on in baluchistan?
Yeah, there's some sense of deprivation in the less developed provinces. Provincial autonomy would help solve some of their problems and it would also give the people from all other provinces more power to further develop themselves. But the problem is that the foreign economic powers want to use Pakistan as a third world consumer market. They feel more comfortable with the central or federal command system and one man rule over the entire country. They make all the important decisions for Pakistan and they don't want anybody even the judiciary to challenge their writ in Pakistan. They can even break Pakistan into further pieces if the people of poorer provinces tried to start a movement for the autonomy of their provinces.
 
as long as pakistan is under the heel of the u.s., what can it do to bring about a better future? is it paralyzed? is it stuck with military dictatorship? i think there is a good chance the people will get rid of musharraf, but then what?
 
as long as pakistan is under the heel of the u.s., what can it do to bring about a better future? is it paralyzed? is it stuck with military dictatorship? i think there is a good chance the people will get rid of musharraf, but then what?

then another dictator. The overgrown military and civil bureaucracy would never let people get economic independence. They can do a bigger massacre, if needed, to stop the peoples movements. Learn from the example of Bangladesh. They fell into the command of the Bangali military bureaucracy after they got out of the hand of Pakistani military, although the Bangali military bureaucracy was almost non existent at the time of separation from Pakistan.
Same would happen to the remaining underdeveloped provinces of Pakistan. Their movements of provincial autonomy would be crushed with power for as long as possible. When the economic powers of the world (WB) felt that it's not possible to stop that movement, then it would be changed to a separation movement. The new countries thus formed would then again be controlled by their new civil and military bureaucracy. On the other hand if the people are successful to get provincial and district level autonomy, then they can put more pressure on the federal government for their share of resources and also can make independent economic policies to some extent. Third world countries like Pakistan may still not be able to find complete independence though.
 
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Pakistan has become a cesspool of corruption, furthermore under the dictatorship of Mshraf, now this guy is not even a muslim, so what does that tell you. Also the MQM are the real terrorists in Pakistan not the Taleban. Musharaf dances to every beat of America, since they keep his pockets sweet. The Pakistani's should have got rid of him when he decided to side with America when they illegaly invaded Afghanistan.

From an Islamic point of view the reason for the suffering and injustice in Pakistan and around the world the muslims are eduring is because our faith has become weak and we have strayed far far away from the path of Allah SWT.

May Allah SWT guide us all. Ameen.
 
:sl:
Pakistan has become a cesspool of corruption, furthermore under the dictatorship of Mshraf, now this guy is not even a muslim, so what does that tell you. Also the MQM are the real terrorists in Pakistan not the Taleban. Musharaf dances to every beat of America, since they keep his pockets sweet. The Pakistani's should have got rid of him when he decided to side with America when they illegaly invaded Afghanistan.

From an Islamic point of view the reason for the suffering and injustice in Pakistan and around the world the muslims are eduring is because our faith has become weak and we have strayed far far away from the path of Allah SWT.

May Allah SWT guide us all. Ameen.

All those who kills innocent people are terrorists, whether MQM or Taliban or other groups or government. People who don't want to be oppressed or dictated by these groups are killed and punished mercilessly. All of them including Taliban forcefully want to make people follow their path. People don't like to follow them because people know that the path of the terrorists and dictators is never the right path even if these groups try to prove that theirs is th path of Allah. People judge the right path only on the basis of the merits and demerits. They always like to get on to the right path even when they have to spend hundreds and thousands to get a visa to the right path. They wish to make the same kind of right paths in their own countries, but the terrorists don't let them make anything useful in Pakistan.
 
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