Pakistan

[NobleMuslimUK]

All those who kills innocent people are terrorists, whether MQM or Taliban or other groups or government. People who don't want to be oppressed or dictated by these groups are killed and punished mercilessly. All of them including Taliban forcefully want to make people follow their path. People don't like to follow them because people know that the path of the terrorists and dictators is never the right path even if these groups try to prove that theirs is th path of Allah. People judge the right path only on the basis of the merits and demerits. They always like to get on to the right path even when they have to spend hundreds and thousands to get a visa to the right path. They wish to make the same kind of right paths in their own countries, but the terrorists don't let them make anything useful in Pakistan.

Seems like your concerned with the worldly success, Islam liberates a person from their desires and materialism, because that is the path to true success and peace. The Taliban was trying to make people follow this path but the world is full of corrupt and selfish people who only want worldly success.

 

[snakelegs]

Seems like your concerned with the worldly success, Islam liberates a person from their desires and materialism, because that is the path to true success and peace. The Taliban was trying to make people follow this path but the world is full of corrupt and selfish people who only want worldly success.

surely islam does not dictate that the people of pakistan must live in dire poverty and remain uneducated?
it is not the material things that enslave - it is the attachment and worship of them.

 

[NoName55]

^^ There is no reasoning with the ignorant moola types safely nesting in foreign counties Issueing fatwas, pronouncing takfeer and inciting terror in Pakistan and elsewhere

 

[Musalmaan]

Mush and his allies have been badly disgraced by their own plans plots & tricks which went against themselves in recent days and media showed the live videos what happened in 12th may in karachi, everybody has seen the real horrible face of Mush, MQM and all their allies,
but i feel, these ppl. who have dictatorship and power but totally out of their senses can cause alot more damage to pakistan, as they have been disgraced alot and they're getting worse each passing days to cover up their lies mischievousness and imposing their own rules. i'm just puzzled what really happening these days, its an extreme fitnah !

may Allah help this nation to get out from the trouble of these trouble makers, who are praised Internationally as Peace makers.

 

[AmarFaisal]

Assalamoalaikum,

I am totally devastated by the present violence in Pakistan. it hurts me so much. Esp. my father who (though we r punjabis) has always loved n lived in Karachi. He says Karachi is the heart of Pakistan, no city in Pakistan can match it. (though Lahore isn't bad either). Anyway, recent violence has made him migrate with a borken heart to ISB.

But his heart breaks more to see, how the VIPs in ISB r treated soooo well as compared to the civilians in KHI. Even the government in LHR has built it city beautiful. Whereas KHI suffers n has always suffered. I love Khi. But unfortunately, I have seen it die at the hands of many political parties clash, esp. MQM.

Since we migrated to Khi,during gulf war, uptill now, we have seen MQM do the worst for KHI. Killing innocent ppl for voicing their disbelief in the party and lots of violence. But now it seems there r other parties with MQM too, who have decided to butcher Karachi.

Mushrraf is definetely not a hero. I used to love and have gronw up loving Pakistan army. I had reams of getting in army. But a friend of my used to tell me stories abt discrimination n corruption in the Pakistan army. Now it is all to evident. The army is ruling Pakistan.

Many ppl argue that the Amry does a lot for the country, fights its enimies, goes through hardship. n they n their famalies deserve all this VIP treatment. I don't think so. We all go through hardships in our particular fields.

I have seen the discrimination, they treat their own soilders with disrespect just becoz they r lower ranked. N not just disrespect but inhumanity.

I am going on a vacation to karachi.

 

[abu abdurrahman]

I can't express a sincere opinion about the situation because i haven't been over there in just under two years.. and as for trusting what we read and hear in the media, then forget it.

putting theories and conspiracies about 'whodunnit' aside. Fact of the matter is that people dying like that is sad.

On Musharraf though, speaking to people in pakistan produces a mixed bag of opinions just as it does here. I was could conclude was that he's making big moves in infrastructure like roads and stuff.

 

[iqbal_soofi]

I can't express a sincere opinion about the situation because i haven't been over there in just under two years.. and as for trusting what we read and hear in the media, then forget it.

putting theories and conspiracies about 'whodunnit' aside. Fact of the matter is that people dying like that is sad.

On Musharraf though, speaking to people in pakistan produces a mixed bag of opinions just as it does here. I was could conclude was that he's making big moves in infrastructure like roads and stuff.

The bad thing is that the government is not people friendly. People wish that supremacy of law and justice should prevail in the country. Musharraf government killed those who tried to support the justice. Anyone who doesn't respect the constitution of the country or the people of the country is the worst enemy of the country.

 

[islamirama]

The bad thing is that the government is not people friendly. People wish that supremacy of law and justice should prevail in the country. Musharraf government killed those who tried to support the justice. Anyone who doesn't respect the constitution of the country or the people of the country is the worst enemy of the country.

which is why he sacked the chief, and why he sacked all military leaders and commanders that were pro taleban when he did his coup and dictatorship. He even hanged/killed soldiers that tried to kill him or go against him.

 

[iqbal_soofi]

which is why he sacked the chief, and why he sacked all military leaders and commanders that were pro taleban when he did his coup and dictatorship. He even hanged/killed soldiers that tried to kill him or go against him.

I am not with those who tried to kill him. I just want him to be removed from his position of president and tried according to the law of Pakistan for violating the constitution. More time he stays in power more damage he'll to the law and order of the country. This will bring more corruption in the government departments.

 

[snakelegs]

talha,
why did you tell me you don't need my input on this thread?
it's wrong to be interested in pakistan?
i'm outa here.
:hiding:

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Errr don't listen to him snake. Thats not for him to decide Stay and give your input! Helps get through the conversation at least. If I'm not mistaken, you're the one who started the thread! Hello! lol.

Peace

 

[snakelegs]

thanks, jazzy. i'm really more interested in what pakistanis have to say anyway.

 

[Scotpak]

Where as i love Pakistan i honestly do not see much hope for the future for a nation that was established in the name of Islam.Too many disputes and unhappy people probably means that the nation will soon be dismantled together with India which is also ripe for change!.However we shouldn't fear change if it means that the overall condition of a people will improve.Allah is the best of planners!

 

[iqbal_soofi]

Where as i love Pakistan i honestly do not see much hope for the future for a nation that was established in the name of Islam.Too many disputes and unhappy people probably means that the nation will soon be dismantled together with India which is also ripe for change!.However we shouldn't fear change if it means that the overall condition of a people will improve.Allah is the best of planners!

I am hopeful about Pakistan because the people of Pakistan are great. The way they came out for justice and rule of law shows that they have the necessary ingredients that make a great nation. However, the educated people a little bit misguided because of the distorted history which is taught to them. It's taught that Pakistan was created in the name of Islam, which is not a fact. The fact is that Pakistan was created because the Muslims feared that they wouldn't be given enough opportunities in the united India. The founder of Pakistan Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah was an active leader of the All India Congress before he led the movement for Pakistan. Initially, he didn't like the idea of a seperate country for Muslims, but when the independence of India from the British rule was eminent, he saw a visible change in the attitude of Hindu leaders who wanted to dominate the proceedings. Then he realized that Muslims would be further crushed in the united India. He was never in the favor of a country in the name of Islam because the earlier Muslim rulers of India ruled the country in the name of Islam only exploited the Muslim sentiments. Therefore, in his speech to the first parliament of Pakistan he made it clear that religion will have no part in the affairs of the government.

 

[aadil77]

there is no taleban influence in the country, false reports. There are Islamic parties that are stepping up their demand for the country to be more Islamic and stop selling alcohol, porn videos, and shut down brothels and other stuff like that.

mg: Astagfirullah, I didn't know such things were possible in pakistan, I go there every 1 or 2 years I've never witnessed anything like that there before, but I've seen how the way people dress is getting worse and worse, I've seen seen and heard about gay people, the country is westernizing too much, I wish someone could control this

 

[islamirama]

mg: Astagfirullah, I didn't know such things were possible in pakistan, I go there every 1 or 2 years I've never witnessed anything like that there before, but I've seen how the way people dress is getting worse and worse, I've seen seen and heard about gay people, the country is westernizing too much, I wish someone could control this

Politicans go to brotherls all the time, the brotherl queens keep fresh girls for the politicans to keep them happy. Girls are often kidnapped from various part of the country and forced into this. The Lal Masjid that is often in the news is demanding the shut down of all of this. They have 2 madrassas, one for guys and one for girls with around 5thousand students. The girl madrassa just recently attacked a porn store and burned all the videos in there and shut that place down.they also shut a brotherl down and kidnapped and took hostage the women and her daughters that refused to shut it down. So you got good and bad groups standing out very well these days.

As for gayism, well that has been around for quite some time. In pakistan, back in 1995 i was reading an article written by a woman on this issue. on how most men are gay then become bi or monogamous till they have kids and wife not interested anymore then they go back to gay again, and the older men are quite popular pick for the youngesters. Just last year, a man married a boy in took him as his "bride" in a village there. Shortly after we saw that earthquake in that area.

All of these are signs of the Hour, which is very very near considering how many signs have come true already.

 

[NoName55]

How disgusting! It is such a shame that unsubstanciated allegations against Muslims are being posted by so-called muslims!

I could understand were it on a hindutwa or sikh forum but here ....

 

[iqbal_soofi]

Politicans go to brotherls all the time, the brotherl queens keep fresh girls for the politicans to keep them happy. Girls are often kidnapped from various part of the country and forced into this. The Lal Masjid that is often in the news is demanding the shut down of all of this. They have 2 madrassas, one for guys and one for girls with around 5thousand students. The girl madrassa just recently attacked a porn store and burned all the videos in there and shut that place down.they also shut a brotherl down and kidnapped and took hostage the women and her daughters that refused to shut it down. So you got good and bad groups standing out very well these days.

As for gayism, well that has been around for quite some time. In pakistan, back in 1995 i was reading an article written by a woman on this issue. on how most men are gay then become bi or monogamous till they have kids and wife not interested anymore then they go back to gay again, and the older men are quite popular pick for the youngesters. Just last year, a man married a boy in took him as his "bride" in a village there. Shortly after we saw that earthquake in that area.

All of these are signs of the Hour, which is very very near considering how many signs have come true already.

Because of the illegal rule in the country, the corruption and lawlessness is on the rise. In these circumstances, some religious and other pressure groups get an opportunity to take law into their hands. This is making the situation of law and order even worse.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace ,

.....i know there are a number of pakistanis here. would you share your "take" on what is happening and what you see as the likely future of pakistan, as well as what you would like to see happen in pakistan.
thanks!

may i add 1 more subject here ?

I m writing this with this hope that Pakistanis participants know about role of Pak Army in 1971 ---the massacre/gonecide Pak Army did in 1971 in then East Pakistan ( now Bangladesh ). In short , Pak Army refused to accept the Election result & did not handed power to the elected leader .


As a Muslim , i think , Pakistan should apologise to Bangladeshi Muslims for the mass killing & mass rape their soldeirs did during the 9 months war. Not only they killed thousands of Hindus , they freely killed little kids , unarmed Muslims civilians also.

Few Imams gave fatwa that women are considered as booty ( wealth soldiers got from war ). So , thousands of women were raped.


Fortunately , few Pak civlians are now asking their Govt . to aplologise for the killing & mass rape. I remember 1 name now...... Sis Asma . Few Army personnel also admitted that they did wrong in 1971.



So , i want to know , not only as a citizen of Pakistan but as a Muslim , do u think , Pak Muslims should come forward , ask forgiveness & do try to compensate the family members of the murdered & raped women in Bangladesh ?

may i add i more thing. There are many Pak people ( they are called Bihari ) stranded in Bangladesh . Pak Govt . refused to take them back home & Bangladesh Govt refused to give them citizenship....now thousands of Muslims belong to nowhere.

What to do about them ? Nobody seems bother to think or do anything to bring back them home. Now new gereration of bihari people don't understand ....should they called themselves Pakistani or Bangladeshi ?

 

[islamirama]

How disgusting! It is such a shame that unsubstanciated allegations against Muslims are being posted by so-called muslims!

I could understand were it on a hindutwa or sikh forum but here ....

If you are refering to my post then i suggest you go do your own research. Better yet, go visit pakistan yourself and see with your eyes.

Of course the article of gayism is over 10yrs old so the trends may have shifted more towards fornication since the youths are more "modern" and open to the ideo of zina.