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oh: OMG when did that happen and in which area?!
AmarFaisal
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In Balauchistan area, which is the worst hit. Among others, Sindh and Punjab too.
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even in frontier province, the rivers are at the point of flooding.
latest i've read on lal masjid is that abdur rashid ghazi has been killed.
July 10, 2007
Mosque Leader Killed in Pakistan
By SALMAN MASOOD and SOMINI SENGUPTA
ISLAMABAD, July 10 — One of the main leaders of the Lal mosque, where security forces have been fighting with militants holed up inside the sprawling compound, has been killed, according to an intelligence official. Explosions and machine-gun fire reverberated in the heart of the capital where the mosque is located, almost 13 hours after fighting began today.
The intelligence official, who requested anonymity, said that the leader, Abdur Rashid Ghazi, had been killed. He was one of the two brothers who ran the mosque and religious school. The other brother, Mohammed Abdul Aziz, was arrested last week while trying to flee in a burqa.
Today, a military spokesman said that after 10 hours of fighting, 8 security forces and roughly 50 presumed militants were dead.
Roughly two dozen children, whom the army said were being held hostage, escaped.
the rest of the article is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/10/w...an.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
latest i've read on lal masjid is that abdur rashid ghazi has been killed.
July 10, 2007
Mosque Leader Killed in Pakistan
By SALMAN MASOOD and SOMINI SENGUPTA
ISLAMABAD, July 10 — One of the main leaders of the Lal mosque, where security forces have been fighting with militants holed up inside the sprawling compound, has been killed, according to an intelligence official. Explosions and machine-gun fire reverberated in the heart of the capital where the mosque is located, almost 13 hours after fighting began today.
The intelligence official, who requested anonymity, said that the leader, Abdur Rashid Ghazi, had been killed. He was one of the two brothers who ran the mosque and religious school. The other brother, Mohammed Abdul Aziz, was arrested last week while trying to flee in a burqa.
Today, a military spokesman said that after 10 hours of fighting, 8 security forces and roughly 50 presumed militants were dead.
Roughly two dozen children, whom the army said were being held hostage, escaped.
the rest of the article is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/10/w...an.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
Decision on new Lal Masjid admin after consultation:
Ejaz ISLAMABAD:
Federal Minister for Religious Affairs Ejazul Haq on Wednesday told PTV that any decision on giving control of Lal Masjid, Jamia Hafsa and Jamia Faridia to another mosque would be taken after consultation with the Wafaq-ul-Madaris and the Auqaf Department. He said there were almost 17,000 madrassas imparting education to more than 2,000,000 students across the country.
He said the government was committed to protecting these madrassas and improving their efficiencies — removing the mis-perceptions of extremism and militancy that the Lal Masjid issue had created.
Answering a question, the minister said the government had shown maximum flexibility, including ulema, ministers and government officials, in attempting to resolve the Lal Masjid issue peacefully.
He said Imam-e-Kaaba Al-Shaikh Abdur Rehman Al-Sudais had also condemned the actions of the Lal Masjid administration during his recent visit to Pakistan. Imam-e-Kaaba also extended his visit for five days to advise the Ghazi brothers against challenging the writ of the government, he added.
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Courtesy DailyTimes.com.pk
Ejaz ISLAMABAD:
Federal Minister for Religious Affairs Ejazul Haq on Wednesday told PTV that any decision on giving control of Lal Masjid, Jamia Hafsa and Jamia Faridia to another mosque would be taken after consultation with the Wafaq-ul-Madaris and the Auqaf Department. He said there were almost 17,000 madrassas imparting education to more than 2,000,000 students across the country.
He said the government was committed to protecting these madrassas and improving their efficiencies — removing the mis-perceptions of extremism and militancy that the Lal Masjid issue had created.
Answering a question, the minister said the government had shown maximum flexibility, including ulema, ministers and government officials, in attempting to resolve the Lal Masjid issue peacefully.
He said Imam-e-Kaaba Al-Shaikh Abdur Rehman Al-Sudais had also condemned the actions of the Lal Masjid administration during his recent visit to Pakistan. Imam-e-Kaaba also extended his visit for five days to advise the Ghazi brothers against challenging the writ of the government, he added.
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Courtesy DailyTimes.com.pk
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Its sad that so many tragedies happen in Pakistan. As far as this particular incident is concerned, I have no idea who was right and who was wrong, but for a muslim government to storm a mosque and use force to kill ITS OWN people who are all muslims (including muslim scholars) is just utterly ridiculous. By doing this, they have just provided the much needed excuse for the west to storm any mosque anywhere in the world. If this same thing had happened in any other place of worship, I wonder how pakistan government would have reacted. From what I have seen, Pakistan has been the hub for good as well as bad things to happen to Islam and this by far eclipses all the bad things that have come out of Pakistan. The government has just helped more normal muslims to turn fanatics.
Govt will act against every madrassa promoting extremism, warns PM ISLAMABAD:
Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has warned that madrassas promoting militancy and extremism will face the same sort of action taken against the militants of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa.
Briefing journalists at Prime Minister’s House on Wednesday, Mr Aziz said the government would take “stern action” against any madrassas involved in illegal activities, as it had against Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa. He said madrassas which were functioning according to the law need not worry, but madrassas promoting militancy and extremism would not be tolerated.
The prime minister said the exact number of causalities among the militants in Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa would be ascertained after security force sweep the mosque and madrassa compound.
He said no bodies of women and children had been found inside the complex and the probability such bodies would be found during the clearing operation was low. “The major group of women was all together and came out all together,” he said.
“Saving the lives of maximum people was the centre-point of the government’s strategy and with the safe retrieval of 1,300 children, women and men from Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa, we have been successful in our objective.”
He said the government had credible information that a “certain category of people who were not really students”, ie, hardcore militants, had been holed up inside the mosque before the operation began. Mr Aziz said the militant students had bought the action upon themselves by challenging the writ of the government. “The people from this complex tried to enforce their own brand of laws and rules.”
He said the government had made every effort to resolve the issue through talks, but the Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa administration did not respond positively. “The intransigence of a few extremists hampered every attempt for a peaceful solution of the issue and the government was compelled to launch the operation,” said the prime minister.
He said the extremists in Jamia Hafsa had damaged the image of the country and Islam.
He said the government had introduced madrassa reforms to ensure that religious schools also include formal education in their curricula. Mr Aziz on Wednesday also visited security personnel injured in the Lal Masjid operation at the Combined Military Hospital (CMH) in Rawalpindi. app
Courtesy DailyTimes.com.pk
Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has warned that madrassas promoting militancy and extremism will face the same sort of action taken against the militants of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa.
Briefing journalists at Prime Minister’s House on Wednesday, Mr Aziz said the government would take “stern action” against any madrassas involved in illegal activities, as it had against Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa. He said madrassas which were functioning according to the law need not worry, but madrassas promoting militancy and extremism would not be tolerated.
The prime minister said the exact number of causalities among the militants in Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa would be ascertained after security force sweep the mosque and madrassa compound.
He said no bodies of women and children had been found inside the complex and the probability such bodies would be found during the clearing operation was low. “The major group of women was all together and came out all together,” he said.
“Saving the lives of maximum people was the centre-point of the government’s strategy and with the safe retrieval of 1,300 children, women and men from Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa, we have been successful in our objective.”
He said the government had credible information that a “certain category of people who were not really students”, ie, hardcore militants, had been holed up inside the mosque before the operation began. Mr Aziz said the militant students had bought the action upon themselves by challenging the writ of the government. “The people from this complex tried to enforce their own brand of laws and rules.”
He said the government had made every effort to resolve the issue through talks, but the Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa administration did not respond positively. “The intransigence of a few extremists hampered every attempt for a peaceful solution of the issue and the government was compelled to launch the operation,” said the prime minister.
He said the extremists in Jamia Hafsa had damaged the image of the country and Islam.
He said the government had introduced madrassa reforms to ensure that religious schools also include formal education in their curricula. Mr Aziz on Wednesday also visited security personnel injured in the Lal Masjid operation at the Combined Military Hospital (CMH) in Rawalpindi. app
Courtesy DailyTimes.com.pk
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Lal Masjid cleared, 73 bodies collected
* Bodies include no women
* Security forces clearing complex of mines and booby traps
* Media to be taken inside today
* 100 graves dug in Sector H-11 graveyard
By Zulfiqar Ghuman and Irfan Ghauri
ISLAMABAD: Security forces collected 73 bodies of militants as they cleared Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa of mines and booby traps on Wednesday after flushing out or killing all the militants holed up inside.
Special forces stormed the mosque at 4:30am on Tuesday and finished the first phase – clearing the compound of militants – by noon on Wednesday, while the second phase – sweeping the complex for unexploded ordnance and booby traps and collecting bodies – was still underway, Major General Arshad Waheed, director general of ISPR, told reporters in the afternoon.
He said later in the day as the cleanup operation was almost complete that 73 bodies had been collected, and none of them were of women.
However, a promised tour of the compound for the media was delayed from Wednesday to Thursday, and restrictions on journalists visiting hospitals in Rawalpindi and Islamabad remained in place.
Gen Arshad said that another soldier was injured in fighting overnight, taking the casualty figures for the armed forces to 10 deaths and 33 wounded. The death toll includes Lt Colonel Haroonul Islam, who was killed on Monday. Three more militants were also killed in fighting overnight, the military spokesman said. Some 50 militants were said to have been killed on Tuesday.
He would not comment on any civilian casualties. Militants were said to be holding hundreds of women and children hostage in the compound before the operation was launched. A group of 27 women were able to leave the mosque unharmed on Tuesday.
Gen Arshad said the 164 commandos who stormed the mosque had cleared each room in the complex in a systematic manner to avoid collateral damage. “No suicide attack was reported on security forces during the operation,” he added.
Earlier in the morning, a series of blasts rocked the area prompting re-enforcements to be called in. Sporadic gunfire and blasts were heard throughout the day as security forces continued the cleanup operation.
The security forces claimed to have arrested 15 injured militants on Wednesday. The government handed over 100 more students to their parents, taking the total to 247.
Daily Times Monitor adds: Around 100 graves were being prepared in Sector H-11 graveyard for the collective burial of militants killed in the Lal Masjid operation, Geo news reported.
Courtesy DailyTimes.com.pk
* Bodies include no women
* Security forces clearing complex of mines and booby traps
* Media to be taken inside today
* 100 graves dug in Sector H-11 graveyard
By Zulfiqar Ghuman and Irfan Ghauri
ISLAMABAD: Security forces collected 73 bodies of militants as they cleared Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa of mines and booby traps on Wednesday after flushing out or killing all the militants holed up inside.
Special forces stormed the mosque at 4:30am on Tuesday and finished the first phase – clearing the compound of militants – by noon on Wednesday, while the second phase – sweeping the complex for unexploded ordnance and booby traps and collecting bodies – was still underway, Major General Arshad Waheed, director general of ISPR, told reporters in the afternoon.
He said later in the day as the cleanup operation was almost complete that 73 bodies had been collected, and none of them were of women.
However, a promised tour of the compound for the media was delayed from Wednesday to Thursday, and restrictions on journalists visiting hospitals in Rawalpindi and Islamabad remained in place.
Gen Arshad said that another soldier was injured in fighting overnight, taking the casualty figures for the armed forces to 10 deaths and 33 wounded. The death toll includes Lt Colonel Haroonul Islam, who was killed on Monday. Three more militants were also killed in fighting overnight, the military spokesman said. Some 50 militants were said to have been killed on Tuesday.
He would not comment on any civilian casualties. Militants were said to be holding hundreds of women and children hostage in the compound before the operation was launched. A group of 27 women were able to leave the mosque unharmed on Tuesday.
Gen Arshad said the 164 commandos who stormed the mosque had cleared each room in the complex in a systematic manner to avoid collateral damage. “No suicide attack was reported on security forces during the operation,” he added.
Earlier in the morning, a series of blasts rocked the area prompting re-enforcements to be called in. Sporadic gunfire and blasts were heard throughout the day as security forces continued the cleanup operation.
The security forces claimed to have arrested 15 injured militants on Wednesday. The government handed over 100 more students to their parents, taking the total to 247.
Daily Times Monitor adds: Around 100 graves were being prepared in Sector H-11 graveyard for the collective burial of militants killed in the Lal Masjid operation, Geo news reported.
Courtesy DailyTimes.com.pk
No mass graves found in Lal Masjid: Tariq Azim
ISLAMABAD: State Minister for Information Tariq Azim has denied presence of any mass grave in the Lal Masjid complex.
Tariq Azim visited the mosque complex Thursday along with other top officials.
He told a European news agency that no mass grave has been found in the compound.
Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the mosque deputy cleric killed in the operation, had claimed that hundreds of persons including women were killed and buried in the mosque premises.
The minister denying the claim termed it baseless.
Courtesy Geo News
ISLAMABAD: State Minister for Information Tariq Azim has denied presence of any mass grave in the Lal Masjid complex.
Tariq Azim visited the mosque complex Thursday along with other top officials.
He told a European news agency that no mass grave has been found in the compound.
Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the mosque deputy cleric killed in the operation, had claimed that hundreds of persons including women were killed and buried in the mosque premises.
The minister denying the claim termed it baseless.
Courtesy Geo News
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People can allege anything. You don't even need any evidence.
It has also been alleged that the Girl Scouts were behind 9/11. :embarrass
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not such a strange source for someone who wishes death to pakistan.
please people, try not to get this thread closed. all the others had to be closed.
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from what i can tell, even though president musharraf is not very popular, most pakistanis are behind him on taking action against the people in lal masjid, though some criticize him for taking so long to act.
there were, as to be expected on a friday, demonstrations against him in various parts of the country, but:
"In the north-western city of Peshawar (!) more than 1,000 protesters vowed to avenge the death of the mosque's deputy leader, Abdul Rashid Ghazi."
"In the capital, hundreds of demonstrators attended a rally organized by Pakistan's main alliance of radical parties, the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal."
not exactly mass turnouts.
from
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6897060.stm
there were, as to be expected on a friday, demonstrations against him in various parts of the country, but:
"In the north-western city of Peshawar (!) more than 1,000 protesters vowed to avenge the death of the mosque's deputy leader, Abdul Rashid Ghazi."
"In the capital, hundreds of demonstrators attended a rally organized by Pakistan's main alliance of radical parties, the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal."
not exactly mass turnouts.
from
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6897060.stm
There was I, thinking this thread was going to stay closed!
I wonder if it was closed just to remove most of my posts based on actual facts and reason or does it have something to do with recent forum crash when some of Br. Muhammad's actions were undone by whoever did the backup restoring?
I wonder if it was closed just to remove most of my posts based on actual facts and reason or does it have something to do with recent forum crash when some of Br. Muhammad's actions were undone by whoever did the backup restoring?
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Yes, this thread was closed having reached ten pages, after which I thought all constructive discussion had been exhausted. When posts were lost during the forum downtime, it also cancelled some of the moderation aswell, hence why the thread was reopened.
While it is apparent there are many people at fault in the world, it will not do a great deal of benefit to simply pick out their faults and speak ill of them.
There has also been a reminder about nationalism not having a place in Islam - I would urge people to revisit that post.
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Lal Masjid Facts
I'm going to share facts and articles over the massarce of the Lal masjid by the regime of musharaaf. Several previous threads were opened but later closed due to ignorant remarks by some members --- i don't want doorster in this thread and all his posts deleted as well if they appear on my thread. I expect atleast that much courtesy from the management.
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I'm going to share facts and articles over the massarce of the Lal masjid by the regime of musharaaf. Several previous threads were opened but later closed due to ignorant remarks by some members --- i don't want doorster in this thread and all his posts deleted as well if they appear on my thread. I expect atleast that much courtesy from the management.
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