Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

[جوري]

some of the devils he has to deal with on daily basis:

[video=youtube;9_cC-DtqWFA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9_cC-DtqWFA[/video]

He says this constitution is dangerous. It is going to lead to an Islamic state, it isn't going to give us a 'modern secular' state, we're not few, we're many, go out there and vote no, if you've relatives in upper Egypt call upon them to say NO, if you turned 18 in March you've a right to vote we must go out in numbers, we can't stay at home!
so now you know why they're fighting him.

 

[جوري]

attack on a sheikh, and for the first time since the old history of this mosque was Asr & maghrib prayers not offered. The elderly sheikh had his car torched and he was beaten and held hostage..
this is stuff you don't hear about, imagine if it had been the 'Islamists' trying to silence the opposition with this violence.. Hasbona Allah wa'ni3ma alwakeel!
بالصور.. الاعتداء على الشيخ المحلاوي واحتجازه بالمسجد
الجمعة 14 ديسمبر 2012

مفكرة الاسلام: تشهد مدينة الإسكندرية شمال مصر، اشتباكات عنيفة بين المؤيدين والمعارضين لمشروع الدستور الجديد، بعد الاعتداء على الشيخ أحمد المحلاوي الداعية الشهير وتحطيم سيارته.
وكان الشيخ المحلاوى قد دعا المصلين إلى التصويت بنعم على مشروع الدستور الجديد، الذي سيبدأ صباح الغد، مما أثار حفيظة المعارضين له فقاموا بالاعتداء على الشيخ المسن بالألفاظ النابيه قبل أن يتطور إلى حد الاشتباك الأيدي، ثم قاموا بتحطيم سيارته واحتجازه داخل المسجد.
وانتقلت الاحتجاجات إلى خارج محيط المسجد ليسفر الأمر عن سقوط مصابين وانفجار سيارتين بعد احتراقهما.
وقال شاهد عيان: "رأيت 13 مصابا بجروح وكدمات سقطوا في الشوارع في منطقة محطة الرمل بمحيط مسجد القائد إبراهيم."
وأضاف أن الحجارة والزجاجات الفارغة والأسلحة البيضاء استخدمت في الاشتباكات التي تلت هتافات ضد مرسي وجماعة الإخوان المسلمين التي ينتمي إليها بعد أن دعا خطيب الجمعة الشيخ أحمد المحلاوي للتصويت بنعم على مشروع الدستور.
وتابع أن المعارضين أشعلوا النار في ثلاث سيارات ظنا منهم أنها استخدمت في نقل الحجارة والزجاجات الفارغة والأسلحة البيضاء، وفقا لشبكة سكاي نيوز عربية.
ودفعت مديرية أمن الإسكندرية بعدد كبير من جنود الأمن المركزي، لفض الاشتباكات، وحماية المسجد والشيخ المحلاوي المحتجز داخله.
لأول المرأة .. لم يرفع أذان العصر والمغرب بالمسجد
من جانبه، مراسل قناة النيل للأخبار إن 300 متظاهر احتشدوا أمام جامع القائد ابراهيم ولم يصلوا الجمعة وانتظروا حتى خرج المصلون وبدءوا بهتافات معادية للتيار الإسلامي واعتدوا بالحجارة على المصلين الخارجين من صلاة الجمعة.
وأكد المراسل أنه ولأول مرة في تاريخ مسجد القائد إبراهيم، الأشهر في مدينة الإسكندرية، لم يُرفع أذان العصر وكذلك أذان المغرب.
ولم تترشح حتى اللحظة أية أخبار بشأن فك الحصار عن المسجد من قبل "ميليشيات" وبلطجية جبهة الإنقاذ بزعامة البرادعي وصباحي وعمرو موسى، فيما يتحدث نشطاء على مواقع التواصل الاجتماعي عن مشاركة الشيوعيين كذلك في الأحداث؛ نظرًا لمعاداتهم للشيخ المحلاوي حيث كان قد هاجمهم في خطبة سابقة.

http://www.islammemo.cc/akhbar/arab/2012/12/14/160300.html

 

[Salahudeen]

I think Morsi is trying to introduce a gradual change and doesn't want to scare the people away from shari'a, I remember hearing that Ayesha RA said if the laws prohibiting alcohol were sent down in Makkah people wouldn't have been able to abide by them because their emaan was not ready for it, and that is why all the makkan surahs focus on belief in Allah and contain very little commandments compared to surahs reveled in Medinah.

I think its similar situation in Egypt, if Morsi makes drastic change overnight there will be uproar and people will not accept it straight away, also perhaps an opportunity for outside forces to intervene with the excuse to stop Egypt becoming an Islamist terrorist state that supports al qaida will arise with drastic overnight change.

So gradually implementing sharia bit by bit is Morsi's plan maybe, and he's trying to refrain from scaring the people with drastic changes.

 

[marwen]

He says this constitution is dangerous. It is going to lead to an Islamic state, it isn't going to give us a 'modern secular' state, we're not few, we're many, go out there and vote no, if you've relatives in upper Egypt call upon them to say NO, if you turned 18 in March you've a right to vote we must go out in numbers, we can't stay at home!
so now you know why they're fighting him.

So gradually implementing sharia bit by bit is Morsi's plan maybe, and he's trying to refrain from scaring the people with drastic changes.

What is going on in Egypt is the introduction of an Islamic legislation system through democracy. As long as every body adheres with democracy, especially those secular-state-dreamers, why they don't want to apply democracy and accept the results generated by a democratic process ? Or democracy is good untill it leads to a muslim majority. What were they thinking about , any form of democracy in a country where most of people are muslim will automatically lead to a muslim majority. As simple as that. That's why they want to make a mess and invalidate the referundum. Because democracy is not what they want, but rather a country free of islam, no matter what immoral and oppressive means they have to use.

As a muslim I'm not with democracy as a principle. Because I think it's denying the divine authority and the islamic laws.
But at this period of time where the implication of shariah is quasi-impossible, and using the available means such as democarcy will be beneficial to muslims to gradually apply shariah; at this time of humanity history where shariah is applied nowhere, and any hope of building an islamic society is to b encouraged, I want to see the results of this referundum that I think if they let them go without problems will certainly be beneficial for muslims. Because muslims largely outnumber these secular platoons who were implanted in the arab society by the enemies of islam, to vainly change it and pick off its islamic values.
I encourage muslims to support this constitution and ask Allah to help muslims in Egypt and everywhere to return to Islam.

 

[جوري]

They're being fought with force such force I feel sorry for mursi - I've never made du3a for any president before but have been making so much du3a for him and his wife how terrified that poor woman must feel!
The situation is no different than when people chose Hamas through a democratic process!
They don't actually in the west apply democracy and they sure as heck don't want to implement it in its unadulterated form in places such as Egypt because they know what the end result is!
So why create the 'save Egypt coalition' composed of lefties, atheists and secularists and proclaim that they represent the people and desire to overthrow a freely elected democratic president? When they represent no one in Egypt save themselves and the corrupt effete they represent!
Deep down inside they know the will of the people is the overwhelming majority and the overwhelming majority says Islam is the way!

 

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

I've seen quite a few scholars support the referendum and consider it the lesser of the two evils; otherwise secularists will just take over, which will make it so much worse. I think we should pray for Egypt and its people, and hope things favour Islam there.

Here's a beautiful short nasheed by a Tunisian, who talks about religion, identity, secularism etc. He really puts the point across so well;

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

First i had some doubts in morsi which is a usual thing with me before trusting arab rulers, but i start to like him now, and need more convincing things that he surely is a genuine leader, what he said is perfectly right. There is no enforcement in shariah law.

There are some talks in the US to stop military aid, not that it matters anyway, the only thing they give to egypt is junk. The f-16's arent as advanced as the israeli ones. Which is the goal of the US ofcourse.

The current opposition in egypt is backed by the west, coptic christians and other arab rulers particular in the gulf states. Hopefully Egypt wont fall inta a civil war and certainly not what is happening in syria.

Egypt might fall into sanctions as this is a prophecy explained in sahih hadith. Iraq fell into sanctions got invaded, syria is currently, and gaza also(these are regions in as-sham) and after that egypt would be the next target.

Book 041, Number 6923:
Abu Hurairah (Radi Allahu anhu) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Iraq would withhold its dirhams and qafiz; Syria would withhold its mudd and dinar and Egypt would withhold its irdab and dinar and you would recoil to that position from where you started and you would recoil to that position from where you started and you would recoil to that position from where you started, the bones and the flesh of Abu Hurairah (Radi Allahu anhu) would bear testimony to it.” [Muslim]

Book 041, Number 6961:
Abu Nadra (Radi Allahu anhu) reported: “We were in the company of Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Radi Allahu anhu) that he said it may happen that the people of Iraq may not send their qafiz and dirhams (their measures of food stuff and their money). We said: Who would be responsible for it? He said: The non Arabs would prevent them. He again said: There is the possibility that the people of Syria may not send their dinar and mudd. We said: Who would be responsible for it? He said this prevention would be made by the Romans. He (Jabir b. Abdullah) kept quiet for a while and then reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said, 'There would be a caliph in the last (period) of my Ummah who would freely give handfuls of wealth to the people without counting it.' I said to Abu Nadra and Abu al-'Ala: Do you mean 'Umar bin Abd al-Aziz? They said: No.” [Muslim]

commentary:

Mufti Saeed Khan believes that the sanctions on Iraq in the gulf war was foretold in the ahadith mentioned above; and now after 20 years sanctions on Syria (which started a few years ago and are ongoing) are what was prophesised in the ahadith. The final step will be sanctions on Eygpt, and after that very strict warning is there for the Muslims as the hadith tells us that “and you would recoil to that position from where you started.” So that might mean that Muslim countries (except for Arabia, from where Islam started) will be wiped out (i.e. they will come under the control of non Muslims such as Israel and others).

http://haroonbaloch.blogspot.nl/2011_06_01_archive.html

This is a possibility not that i predict or know the future, since only Allah knows best in these matters

 

[theplains]

No!
where do you come up with these questions?

I think of these questions and then I ask.

How did the process/custom of women wearing the hijab originate? Why don't men wear a hijab-equivalent?

Thanks,
Jim

 

[جوري]

Why don't men wear a hijab-equivalent?

what do you call this?

the custom of modesty has always been in existence and it is enforced in Islam.

best,

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum;

as some members have write, big changes is better to make slowly, not by one night. If Egyptians would really like to live in the Western style democracy, they should have right for this or if they would really want to live under pure islamic laws, they should have right to this too. But we need to remember one thing; they have lived decades under dictatorships. They - like all people in every corners of the world - need time to learn new style to think, behave, talk etc. It may takes years, even some generations.

Don´t wait too much too fast.

 

[Cabdullahi]

Salam alaykum;
If Egyptians would really like to live in the Western style democracy, they should have right for this or if they would really want to live under pure islamic laws, they should have right to this too.

Islamic law for Islamic countries and Western style democracy for western countries.

Anyone who wants either must pack their bags and move to the appropriate area...

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum;

So you say that islamic country should force people whose live in they area to follow islamic rule? Does it really please Allah if people do so because they have to or more if people do so because they want to (please Allah and follow teachings of islam).

And I repeat myself; don´t wait too big changes too fast. People have at the first learn new ways to think, behave etc. Not by the way that some sign a law.

It is like a teacher who would say to child: no need to teach you anything - you know how to read because I force you to know it.

^o)

 

[Insaanah]

So you say that islamic country should force people whose live in they area to follow islamic rule? Does it really please Allah if people do so because they have to or more if people do so because they want to (please Allah and follow teachings of islam).

When one takes the shahaadah, and bears witness that there is no God and nobody worthy of worship except Allah, and that Muhammad :saws: is the messenger of Allah, then by default you have to accept what comes with that, including obeying prophet in at least those commands which are compulsory (fard). We can't say we accept the shahaadah but would like the choice of whether we obey or not, and will obey when we're ready to and when we really want to.

Similarly, when you have an Islamic state, it is responsible for ensuring it's Muslim citizens abide by at least the compulsory laws of Islam. If there was a choice, then Abu Bakr :ra: would not have waged war against those who refused to pay zakat. And sins that are public, such as not wearing hijaab, which have a knock-on effect on society as a whole, have to be controlled, e.g. by religious reminders, beneficial lectures etc for starters.

If we have to follow the law of the land living in western countries, then Muslim citizens have to follow the law of the land living in Muslim countries too. That's not force or oppression if that's the law, but somehow people make it out to be if it's an Islamic law that's being referred to.

:ia: president Dr Mursi will use his wisdom in dealing with matters, and may Allah guide him and help him to all that pleases Him, ameen.

 

[GuestFellow]

what do you call this?

A pretty boy. =)

 

[جوري]

A pretty boy. =)

Not sure how I am supposed to comment on that..

 

[Cabdullahi]

Im worried for brother Guestfellow...i really am.



lol

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

dear sister Insaanah; of course person who lives in some country needs to respect laws. I talked issue as why we please Allah and how (my English is not my own language I might can´t explain my ideas perfectly). Is Allah happy if our leader force us to use hijab? Is Allah happy if we do it by our own free will and respect to Allah?

I live and have lived all my life in non-islamic country and used hijab by my free will. Not because leader/goverment/party/husband or ever else would force me to do so. Allah wants.

Think now people live in Egypt; they have had three dictators (Mubarak, Assad, Nasser), before it was kingdom. The Egyptians live there now haven´t never taste so called freedom, islamic or what ever. It takes genarations they will learn to behave by new order, it doesn´t happen in one night and sign by laws.

Give them time, people! 50 years! 100 years!

 

[GuestFellow]

Salam alaykum
. Is Allah happy if our leader force us to use hijab? Is Allah happy if we do it by our own free will and respect to Allah?

:wa:

Are these supposed to be rhetorical questions?

Give them time, people! 50 years! 100 years!

I bet there will be new dictator by then. o_o Seriously America and its little chiwawa Israel will try to interfere. AGAIN. :/

 

[sister herb]

:wa:

Are these supposed to be rhetorical questions?

Salam alaykum

Of course they are as who could answer those questions?

Allah only.

 

[GuestFellow]

Salam alaykum

Of course they are as who could answer those questions?

Allah only.

:wa:

You'd be surprised. Some people act as though they speak on behalf of God. :skeleton: