Prophet Muhammad cartoon row leads to resignation

[~ Sabr ~]

@ Pygoscelis - Islam is indeed a religion of Peace- don't judge by Muslims nowadays, read up on the Biography of the best example ever lived - Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

That means they didn't forbid Judaism and Christianity or hunt down and kill them (though I wouldn't be surprised if they did so, a little), it doesn't mean they didn't wish the religions to cease to be and for Islam to be adopted by all. I have heard the latter over and over on this very board. And if one's hope for these religions to cease to exist (and Islam to be adopted by all) is a cause of those who practice those other religions to kill you (by the logic in the post I was responding to), then.... ya... you see my point.

God you're full of assumptions. Have you ever even looked into Islam or do you just judge actions of any Tom, Dick and Harry?

We don't deny that we call one and all to accept Islam but we do not force anyone to accept it. We do not promote violence and an outburst from a Muslim does not make it into a law!

Let me look for the hadeeth that commands justice by Muslims among the Jews and Christians under our rule. See for yourself how Islam commands the opposite to your preconceived ideas and misconceptions.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

That is exactly my point. You remain neutral (apparently still do?) in the face of somebody calling for the death of others, and yet complain about somebody drawing a cartoon.

What's your point? I already told you that I strongly condemn anyone who draws a cartoon of Muhammed :saws1: and I will never change, be it atheist, Christian, Jew or even another Muslim! Am I supposed to be passive and ignoring towards someone who knows drawing cartoons is insulting? Like you would remain silent and passive over something that you find deeply insulting!

Again, exactly my point, and exactly as it should be. Yet somehow it changes if the people being wished to die are anti-theist instead of muslim?

The issue here is not to do with atheists or non-Muslims, genius! It's the fact that some joker stands up and does something that they knew would cause a negative reaction and yet did it anyway.

This Muslim-terrorist oxymoron or Muslims-want-to-kill-everybody cliché that you so desperately cling onto is ignorance, of Islam and of especially of Muslims.

 

[~Zaria~]

Assalamu-alaikum

^^ What does the quraan say about freedom of religion?

"Let there be no compulsion in religion, truth stands out clear from error: Whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks, and Allah hears and knows all things." (Quran 2:256)


“If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” (Quran 10:99)


“The Messenger’s duty is but to proclaim the Message.” (Quran 5:99)


“So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to God, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in God’s sight are all of His servants.” (Quran 3:20)



Can it be any clearer than this?

SubhanAllah!

Salaam

 

[Pygoscelis]

God you're full of assumptions. Have you ever even looked into Islam or do you just judge actions of any Tom, Dick and Harry?

We don't deny that we call one and all to accept Islam but we do not force anyone to accept it.

Yes, I know. But read what the gentleman wrote. He wrote that he wishes the anihilation of those who wish for the end of Islam. He did not state that these people must use force towards that end to qualify for his death wish. I pointed out that Islam itself wishes for the end of atheism and other religions as all adopt Islam. You confirm this in the quote above. Yet I don't see anybody here taking from that a wish for the anihilation of muslims, and if somebody did say that they would be rightly be condemned. Do you not see the imbalance?

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Yes, I know. But read what the gentleman wrote. He wrote that he wishes the anihilation of those who wish for the end of Islam. He did not state that these people must use force towards that end to qualify for his death wish. I pointed out that Islam itself wishes for the end of atheism and other religions as all adopt Islam. You confirm this in the quote above. Yet I don't see anybody taking from that a wish for the anihilation of muslims. Do you not see the imbalance?

Yeah? Well that's new to me and I was born a Muslim. Can you prove that? (referring to what's highlighted in red).

As I said in the last post, his outburst does not make it into a law!

 

[Pygoscelis]

Yeah? Well that's new to me and I was born a Muslim. Can you prove that?

We don't deny that we call one and all to accept Islam but we do not force anyone to accept it.

If you call one and all to accept Islam and hope that all do so, then you are hoping that all leave other religions as well as atheism and join Islam. I see nothing wrong with that hope, but it is not so different than the anti-theists hoping that all mulsims leave Islam (also not by force), which is what prompted the gentleman I responded to to wish for their deaths. Do you or do you not see a double standard there?

As I said in the last post, his outburst does not make it into a law!

You are correct, it doesn't make it into a law. It does however express the position of an individual muslim, and your continued refusal to condemn it shows the position of another. The outrage of others in this thread at the cartoon and not at the death wishes shows the position of still more. If not for the few who such as Tyrion and Umm Ahlaam one would be led to a certain conclusion about muslims on this board, and may make the mistake of generalizing that to muslims overall, and thus to Islam.

It should be no mystery why some anti-theists criticize, mock or draw cartoons about Islam when facing some muslims wishing them to die and others refusing to condemn that.

 

[CosmicPathos]

He wrote that he wishes the anihilation of those who wish for the end of Islam

Read what you wrote again. I would be mentally insane if I indeed did not, in my defense, wish for annihilation, otherwise I'd be annihilated. You see the logical fallacy with your argument? You are using your assumption as your conclusion. We want end of Islam because its stupid ideology and in retaliation Muslims want to kill us, and that is exactly why we want end of Islam. Ludicrous.

 

[CosmicPathos]

We do not promote violence and an outburst from a Muslim does not make it into a law!

I really doubt it was just an "outburst." Violence is when there is no rational justification for initiating it. Here we have an army of anti-theists wishing death of ideology (and by extension its ideologues) and when we stand up in pre-emptive strike, the anti-theist uses that as justification to proclaim "that is precisely why we want end of Islam." Stupidity on the loose.

 

[GuestFellow]

Yes, I know. But read what the gentleman wrote. He wrote that he wishes the anihilation of those who wish for the end of Islam. He did not state that these people must use force towards that end to qualify for his death wish. I pointed out that Islam itself wishes for the end of atheism and other religions as all adopt Islam. You confirm this in the quote above. Yet I don't see anybody here taking from that a wish for the anihilation of muslims, and if somebody did say that they would be rightly be condemned. Do you not see the imbalance?

Salaam,

Muslims wish non-Muslims to convert. But we cannot do this by force. This is why we still have Christians and Jews living in Muslim countries.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Read what you wrote again. I would be mentally insane if I indeed did not, in my defense, wish for annihilation, otherwise I'd be annihilated.

No you wouldn't. Perhaps you miscommunicated? You wrote those who hope for the end of Islam, not just those who want to kill muslims (who actually WOULD be a threat to your life). I have pointed this out again and again, so it is a bit late to correct this, but if you want to please do.

I would very much like to believe that you do not call for the death of those who peacefully hope for the end of your ideology. But from what you've written you seem to be calling for exactly that. When you tell me that you hope all would convert to Islam (thus ending atheism) that doesn't make me hope you die. Do you think it should?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Salaam,

Muslims wish non-Muslims to convert. But we cannot do this by force. This is why we still have Christians and Jews living in Muslim countries.

Yes, I know this. These anti-theists being written about are not to force muslims to deconvert either, but they can wish for it (which apparently brings on wishes that they die).

 

[CosmicPathos]

I would very much like to believe that you do not call for the death of those who peacefully hope for the end of your ideology.

I do no think any room for "peace" remains when you do not want the otherness to survive even if you peacefully wished so. The fact that you wished so highlights your inner desire for its end, and that by definition is a threat. For example, much like how if someone wishes, peacefully, that may the White people of world perish, even if they do not advocate violence.

 

[GuestFellow]

Yes, I know this. These anti-theists being written about are not to force muslims to deconvert either, but they can wish for it (which apparently brings on wishes that they die).

Salaam,

Some atheists do desire for Muslims not to practice their faith in public, but I highly doubt they will go as far to kill Muslims.

 

[Tyrion]

Here we have an army of anti-theists wishing death of ideology (and by extension its ideologues)

That doesn't follow. If people want ideologies to go away, that doesn't mean they want people to die. You're just looking for some kind of justification for your twisted views.

I do no think any room for "peace" remains when you do not want the otherness to survive even if you peacefully wished so. The fact that you wished so highlights your inner desire for its end, and that by definition is a threat. For example, much like how if someone wishes, peacefully, that may the White people of world perish, even if they do not advocate violence.

I think you need to take a break from the internet and just reflect on your own for a while... Maybe spend some time with a box full of kittens. (Or puppies, if you're a dog person..)

I wish all racist ideologies would die, but I don't for a second consider wishing for all followers of such ideologies to die... But you seem to think that just wishing for the end of a belief leads to exterminating believers. That's insane.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

If you call one and all to accept Islam and hope that all do so, then you are hoping that all leave other religions as well as atheism and join Islam. I see nothing wrong with that hope, but it is not so different than the anti-theists hoping that all mulsims leave Islam (also not by force), which is what prompted the gentleman I responded to to wish for their deaths. Do you or do you not see a double standard there?

You are correct, it doesn't make it into a law. It does however express the position of an individual muslim, and your continued refusal to condemn it shows the position of another. The outrage of others in this thread at the cartoon and not at the death wishes shows the position of still more. If not for the few who such as Tyrion and Umm Ahlaam one would be led to a certain conclusion about muslims on this board, and may make the mistake of generalizing that to muslims overall, and thus to Islam.

It should be no mystery why some anti-theists criticize, mock or draw cartoons about Islam when facing some muslims wishing them to die and others refusing to condemn that.

Do you make such a big deal over every minor, petty, minute detail about everything else in the world as well?

I thought I had made myself clear earlier but clearly I haven't, so lets try this again. I do not support the unjust killing of anyone. Any lack of response from me does not automatically show my approval, or denial for that matter, of anything. I would appreciate it if from this point onwards you treat matters as such. Any such unfounded assumptions you have now or make in the future about me, Islam or any other Muslim in the world are from your own imagination. If you must judge anything, judge after seeing the law that Muslims follow, not a bloody reaction from an individual!

 

[GuestFellow]

If you must judge anything, judge after seeing the law that Muslims follow, not a bloody reaction from an individual!

Salaam,

Chill...have a kitkat. :

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I really doubt it was just an "outburst." Violence is when there is no rational justification for initiating it. Here we have an army of anti-theists wishing death of ideology (and by extension its ideologues) and when we stand up in pre-emptive strike, the anti-theist uses that as justification to proclaim "that is precisely why we want end of Islam." Stupidity on the loose.

Akhi, you're not violent all the time are you?

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Salaam,

Chill...have a kitkat. :

Just so you know, bloody isn't swearing as is commonly known amongst many. The word bloody, is for emphasis.

 

[GuestFellow]

Akhi, you're not violent all the time are you?

I love CosmicPathos. For some reason, he reminds me of my grandpa. My grandpa gets all angry and goes rarrr over anything. The next minute, he's a big softy. It could be a multiple personality disorder like Jekyll and Hyde.