I don't understand where I was taking extreme. I am not quoting Quran, but instead the Bible (not even quoting). Therefore, I don't think it's anything extreme. I am not sayng anything that suits me, but of course that makes sense. Not necessarily making in to a translation which I am comfortable with. In the Bible it is mentioned by Christ to beware of false prophets. I have posted that, but you have taken that off. I don't know why. It's not off topic at all. Because Bible specifically warns that there will be people claiming to be prophet safter Jeusus Christ ressurect and we should be aware of them. Bible tells us that there will be Holy spirit sent amongst us after Jesus is raised to heaven and that is what Jesus talks about. Bible also talks about Ishmael being an wild a-s-s of man in the wilderness and will be against eveyone and everyon against him. These are the words from the Bible and it's strange to see when we question the authenticity of Islam or Muhammed, the Muslims doesn't come back with a logical answer. Instead they want to hang that person, kill that person (the newspaper article in Europe) and trie to go in to Bible and Torah to find our faults. Why don't we look in to Quran and understand its purpose and meaning first and answer with logics? Not going and attacking and being EXTREME.
ME? I have deleted what? If you did not mean me, please make that clear lest others think that I have been unjust to you.
Maybe you have misunderstood, one of the problems with discussions is that more often then not people forget to listen but take one word, skim read and then assume what was said.
When I spoke of your extremity, I was speaking on the style in which you posed possabilities. For example, you said;
You would rather stick to one conclusion, either Bible is the true God's word and yes what it says is true or Bible is bogus and we should read only the teachings from Quran. Have I made myself clear? I hope so. Thanks.
This is the type of extreme I spoke of, if you read my writing properly you will see that I also gave a famous example of how other do this, with the question,
type of like the 'Jesus Lord Liar or Lunatic' thing, very restrictive.
The reason I said it was extreme is because such questions do not take into consideration other possabilities, like me asking a friend, 'is your mother out of prison yet, Yes or No?' Rather I should give other options as answers for example, the option to say that she has never been in prison. In the above example, the fourth option could be, Jesus Lord, Liar or Lunatic? Or Lied Upon, you see how it works? That's the extreme I spoke of.
As for the rest of your speech about logical answers and so forth, I have spoken to you about the compilation and sources of your books, why have you not told us? Tell us the theories, I mean to know if a hypothesis, like the Muslim view that there could be some truth and falsehood in the Bible is plausible one needs to know the history of the Books right? Well tell us the history. Or do you find that illogical, and humorous?
Along with Christians, Jews also believes in the prophet Isiah and other prophets in the OT. They also believe that these prophets were inspired by God. But before the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, people used to think that whatever the prophets have written, it was edited for the advantages of mankind. When the scrolls have been found, it was matched with the books we have in the Bible and they were word for word (Hebrew and other ancient languages). Therefore, the OT was not changed in later years.
Give us the dating of the Dead Sea Scrolls, give us the background of them, just little more information.
Now let's come to the NT. You said the Christians believe in NT for their faith. If that was the case, we would have only New Testament as our Bible. Because OT is as much as important as NT, we must have both parts in the Holy Bible. Of course NT talks about Jesus, but OT does too. OT talks about Jesus coming (From Genesis to Malachi), not necessarily literarily , but gives tons of indications.
Well I never said Christians believe in the NT for their faith solely, I just mentioned that it is a crucial part of it. As for the OT speaking of Jesus I guess one can get that interpretation.
You have mentioned NT not being in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Of course it was not and it is not necessary to prove the autheticity of NT.
Oh, but you see, when you say Bible people might think the Bible, not just the OT, and as you said Christians need both. We need to try be accurate bro.
Because there have been many documents found which supports the events that had happened during the NT times. The Jews kept records of all events including the crucifixion of Jesus. Of course they recorded it as he was punished and crucified because he was accused of blasphemy and they don't accept him as the Messiah.
Well there are no contemporary evidences of Jesus from outside Christianity, so what do you mean? The NT by large cannot be verified of its accuracy, mistakes and truth has been found in there. Mark had a poor palestinian geographical knowledge according to some Scholars. So if anything this shows that there is right and wrong in there,
my position all along.
There is a lot I can offer you to prove the autheticity of NT, but we have only so much time in our hands.
Make a thread and provide all you want and can in a discussion. As long as it in sincere and genuine.
You can only win one's heart through love, not force or logic. Because logic is created by human for the purpose of twisting the truth, but love came from God and it is more important. If logic and argument was more important then we should stick to what the scientists say "there is not god".
Well not all scientist say that, and logic/reason doesnot twist truth, but rather twisted reason twists truth. I try love God with all my heart and mind. I put my faith in Him, but I place it in Him through understanding. Meaning I decide through knowledge to follow God and thus have blind faith in Him. They work hand in hand.
So yes, back to topic, show us why there cannot be some truth and some falsehood in the Bible, tell us the Biblical History of compilation.
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