Prove that the Qur'an is NOT the word of God.

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Re: Prove that the Quran Is not the word of God.

Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Instead of posting the evidence that I asked for, you instead simply repeated your claim. I'll take this as an admission that you are unable to substantiate your allegations in this regard.


This thread is for discussing alleged evidence against the Qur'an's divine authorship. For a discussion of evidence for the Qur'an's divine authorship, please see the companion thread to this discussion:
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/13998-prove-quran-word-god.html

Regards
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Simple fact is you cant prove its not. Just like you cant prove fairys dont exist, imo its a stupid thread, one cant prove something that one beleaves dosn't exist.
And shouldn't have to its up to the beleaver to show his evidence that the quran was the word of god, but they to cant provide evidence.
 
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Just like to point out that the Quran is not meant to be a scientific book. Otherwise dark matter may actually have been mentioned.
I have a very smart firend mashallah that has a theory in which dark matter is actually the realm of the Jinn. Honestly it is the best explanation I have heard so far. Of course if you want more detail you will have to ask him ;). He explained it in a much clearer way.
 
Re: Prove that the Quran Is not the word of God.

Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Hello Nicola :) ,

Of course there are some major differences between the Bible and the Qur'an, but the essential message of the prophets as recorded in the Bible is very similar to that described in the Qur'an. For more information, you might find the following a very interesting read:
The First and Final Commandment by Dr. Laurence Brown MD.

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Hiya
Thanks for the link

One of the problems I've have ...is I know the Koran mentions some of the prophets of the Bible but that is about all it does mention...From what I also understand, it doesn't mention Deborah the very famous judge,prophess and miliarty leader?

Does it mention the prophecies of world events...for the future from these prophets...or just mentions their history and names?...

Because that is quite a different things...from just mentioning their names.

Like it doesn't even mention Daniel in the Koran...one of the greatest prophets God ever gave us..it mentions nothing of what God told him to tell us about the endtimes that we live in now...even Jesus mentions Daniel and his prophecies concerning the end times and tells us they are true.

Another thing is...The Jewish prophets and their history was a known fact ...it wasn't a new revalation given to Mohammed.. people already knew about them...
Prophets usually tells us of things to come..not what as already been.
 
Re: Prove that the Quran Is not the word of God.

Hello j4763
j4763 said:
Simple fact is you cant prove its not. Just like you cant prove fairys dont exist, imo its a stupid thread, one cant prove something that one beleaves dosn't exist.
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Then don't post in this thread and don't make stupid claims if you aren't capable of backing them up with evidence.
And shouldn't have to its up to the beleaver to show his evidence that the quran was the word of god, but they to cant provide evidence.
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Is english not your native language? I told you that evidence for the Qur'an's divine authorship was discussed in this thread:
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/13998-prove-quran-word-god.html

Hello Nicola
One of the problems I've have ...is I know the Koran mentions some of the prophets of the Bible but that is about all it does mention...From what I also understand, it doesn't mention Deborah the very famous judge,prophess and miliarty leader?
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No the Qur'an only mentions 25/124 000 prophets. And those 25 that it mentions are not all mentioned in the Bible. There is no Prophet Hud in the Bible, nor is there a Prophet Saalih in the Bible, nor is Khidr in the Bible. The Qur'an is not interested in retelling history, that is not its purpose. Its purpose is to guide human beings. This is very different from the Bible which seems to be very interested in recounting history, and seems very difficult to attribute some of its tales to God (see the language used in Ezekiel 23).

Does it mention the prophecies of world events..
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Yes, you can read about them in the link I gave you before.

or just mentions their history and names?...
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The Qur'an is not a history book. It, unlike the Bible, does not list pages of names. It is a book of guidance, and consequently, everytime a Prophet is mentioned they are mentioned for a reason, and their story is mentioned to learn a lesson from.

Like it doesn't even mention Daniel in the Koran...one of the greatest prophets God ever gave us
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God has given us many great Prophets; but simply retelling history is of little benefit.

Another thing is...The Jewish prophets and their history was a known fact ...it wasn't a new revalation given to Mohammed.. people already knew about them...
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Yet all of the stories concerning the Prophets were revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh when he lived amongst the pagans in Makkah, before he travelled to Madinah where there were Jewish tribes. In Makkah, there were no Jewish tribes that could have informed him about this. Moreover, many other stories in the Qur'an are not mentioned in the Bible at all, like that of Hud, Saalih, Khidr, Luqman, etc.

Prophets usually tells us of things to come..not what as already been.
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See the book I linked you to.

Regards
 
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Like it doesn't even mention Daniel in the Koran...one of the greatest prophets God ever gave us
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God has given us many great Prophets; but simply retelling history is of little benefit.
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It isn't the retelling of history that I'm thinking of...
I'm thinking more of what was foretold to them by God and why should this be so different from the Korans?

What Daniel and Zacariaha propheise about for instance..concerning what is going to happen at the end... is a very different ending to the one that Mohammads messenger brought us.


btw... When I am speaking about Zacariaha I am meaning the prophet from the OT not Zacariaha (John the Baptists father) from the NT.

I've added the link you gave me into my favs..
and will be back with questions..when I have some...
if thats ok :)
 
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this is silly. how can one prove or disprove? it is strictly a matter of belief.
obviously for the however-many muslims in the world it is the word of god.
this should be enough.
 
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Salam
actually it is proved.
why is it silly. can you explain what you mean by "obviously for the however-many muslims in the world it is the word of god.
this should be enough".
 
Re: Prove that the Quran Is not the word of God.

anis_z24 said:
Salam
actually it is proved.
why is it silly. can you explain what you mean by "obviously for the however-many muslims in the world it is the word of god.
this should be enough".
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you can not objectively prove or disprove religious belief sytems like you prove things scientifically. so the very concept of proving that the quran is or is not the word of god is just plain silly.
i just meant that it is the word of god for the world's muslims and they don't need proof.
 
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Knut Hamsun said:
It is NOT proven. All the arguments I have seen are ridiculous. It is based on faith alone.
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Salam
true it is based on faith. but God has put signs that we may reflect upon(and to strengthen our faith);
 
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anis_z24 said:
Salam
true it is based on faith. but God has put signs that we may reflect upon(and to strengthen our faith);
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Yes God does give us signs...and this builds our faith up even stronger. It is God who gives our faith to us.
But also Satan gives us signs ..because Satan is the father of liars...he mixes truths with lies...his aim is to lead has many of us away from the true path as possible away from God...so we must test these signs firstly to see where they are coming from... we shouldn't just take everything with blind faith.
 
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Asalam u Alikum

The biggest sign is this that u find the same Quran which was given to Prophet Muhamad (S.A.W) and u can find right now also as there are three Qurans of Hazarat Usman (R.A.T) period of Khilafat and there had been the C4 test confirming it as 1400 years old and if u find the todays Quran u will not find any change in the Book
why some one argue when he doesn't have enough knowledge about the Quran and what is it in

May Allah Guide us All to the Right Path
Which is Islam
Walikum as Salam
 
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wkas said:
The biggest sign is this that u find the same Quran which was given to Prophet Muhamad (S.A.W) and u can find right now also as there are three Qurans of Hazarat Usman (R.A.T) period of Khilafat and there had been the C4 test confirming it as 1400 years old and if u find the todays Quran u will not find any change in the Book
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Where has anyone been allowed to do C4 tests, or any sort of destructive dating, on any of the surviving Qurans that allegedly date back from the time of the Rashidun?

You know that they are usually written in scripts that were said to be invented after the Rashidun?
 
Re: Prove that the Quran Is not the word of God.

wkas said:
Asalam u Alikum

The biggest sign is this that u find the same Quran which was given to Prophet Muhamad (S.A.W) and u can find right now also as there are three Qurans of Hazarat Usman (R.A.T) period of Khilafat and there had been the C4 test confirming it as 1400 years old and if u find the todays Quran u will not find any change in the Book
why some one argue when he doesn't have enough knowledge about the Quran and what is it in

May Allah Guide us All to the Right Path
Which is Islam
Walikum as Salam
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Please provide the source of this information, I would believe it if it is verified by recognised scientific sources from in and outside of the Islamic fraternity
 
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Asalam u Alikum
well C4 is carbon 4 a method of finding the half life of the any atom
i know C4 is a kind of bomb but c4 or may be i am mistaking it is c14 but it is a kind test they do to find out the age of materials
the one Quran is in the london meusum
second is in the Masjid of Turkey
and other one is in the some central asian country i don't remember which country it was as they name a bit same

Walikum as Salam
 
Re: Prove that the Quran Is not the word of God.

wkas said:
well C4 is carbon 4 a method of finding the half life of the any atom
i know C4 is a kind of bomb but c4 or may be i am mistaking it is c14 but it is a kind test they do to find out the age of materials
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I think you are mistaking it for Carbon-14 dating.

the one Quran is in the london meusum
second is in the Masjid of Turkey
and other one is in the some central asian country i don't remember which country it was as they name a bit same
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These are fragments as opposed to entire Qurans and the Central Asian one used to be in Saint Petersburg but now is in Tashkent (I think) which is in Uzbekistan.

Yep, just googled it, it is in Tashkent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4581684.stm

I don't like to post websites that the Moderators find objectionable, on the other hand it is sometimes hard for me to work out what is likely to offend. I think this one is acceptable but if it is not, I apologise is advance

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/
 

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