Questions for atheists about origin of universe

[QuranStudy]

Since you guys do not believe God exists, where do you think mass and energy came from? How were atoms and electrons created?

Thanks.

 

[azim]

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I've also found it interesting that when talking about God, the constant question of 'who created God' is asked? Yet when we explain that 'God' is uncreated, has always existed and will never cease exist - far beyond the limitations of time and space and concepts that we cannot even fathom - they take it as a being illogical. Yet these same people ask no questions when presented with the law that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

Subhanallah, we question the infallible and accept the one prone to mistakes (i.e. al-Insaan(humans)).

 

[wilberhum]

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I have always found it interesting that the answer to every thing needs to be created is some thing that was not created.

So why does the “Original Matter” need to have a creator.
Why could it not have always existed?

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

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everything comes 4rm sumwhere.. ^ there has to be an explanation innit?

 

[wilberhum]

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everything comes 4rm sumwhere..

But you contradict that statement when you say god was not created.

 

[QuranStudy]

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Why could it not have always existed?

Under your reasoning, nobody created a Ford Mustang, since "it always existed." Nobody created life and the universe since "it always just existed."

 

[MusLiM 4 LiFe]

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But you contradict that statement when you say god was not created.

but us muslims have an explanation.. we know 4 sure theres Allah..

 

[wilberhum]

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Under your reasoning, nobody created a Ford Mustang, since "it always existed." Nobody created life and the universe since "it always just existed."

It is always easy to ridicule a statement by giving an example that has no relevance.
We are talking about billions of years ago not last year.
Comparing the first ever to the trillionth descendant is also ill relevant.

 

[wilberhum]

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but us muslims have an explanation.. we know 4 sure theres Allah..

The theory of the FSM is also an explination. Unprovable explinations are easy. But then that is all we have.

 

[azim]

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I have always found it interesting that the answer to every thing needs to be created is some thing that was not created.

So why does the “Original Matter” need to have a creator.
Why could it not have always existed?

Entering the deep realms of theoretical physics now...

Matter is not really the bulk of it, the real 'mystery' are laws. The laws of both classical and theoretical physics are shaped in a way to facilitate life as the end result.

If you believe that matter always existed, thats fine, what about the rules that govern them? Perhaps they always existed too, but those are a lot of assumptions that we can't verify.

While they have no knowledge thereof. They follow nothing but an assumption, and verily, assumptions are no substitute for the truth. (5:53)

The truth is that we exist, and we were created. The natural belief then is that we have a creator. Rather to assign ourselves as being creations of a non-sentient process of evolution and chance is wishful thinking.

 

[QuranStudy]

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It is always easy to ridicule a statement by giving an example that has no relevance.
We are talking about billions of years ago not last year.
Comparing the first ever to the trillionth descendant is also ill relevant.

I am simply using your logic and relating it to a hypothetical scenario.

Under what logical basis can you claim that mass and energy always existed? The tendency to make assertions without emperical evidence defeats the purpose of the fundamentals of atheism.

 

[therebbe]

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All the things we are discussing are beyond the comprehension of our brains. Therefore there is no way the argument between G-d fearing and Atheists will ever have a winner.

We have all gotten into speculation and our arguments hold absolutly no proofs.

 

[جوري]

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But you contradict that statement when you say god was not created.

God is not a "thing" so there is no contradiction in his statement if you are going to get technical.... One might not be able to prove the "existence" or "nonexistence" of God and on this front scientists, men of God and lay men stand equal? ... my personal reasoning if there is or isn't why take chances? If one spends life in a righteous way, does good deeds ... has a strong bond with the "creator" then one will have a sense of peace, purpose and fulfillment... I recently got an edition of (NEJM) New England Journal Of Medicine, on the benefits of religions in end life situations ... stating patients who had strong beliefs or meditated or prayed coped so much better with their illness and the inevitable than those who believed in nothing... I'll try to find the issue ... if I can't you may search archives on line searching last years issues.... If there is a God ... you'll have lived a better life and prepared better for the after life ... if there isn't, then what did you lose as you enter the great nothing? certainly there will be no regret for a pious life as one enters the nothing ... my take anyhow....

 

[QuranStudy]

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All the things we are discussing are beyond the comprehension of our brains.

But I thought atheists use "logic, facts, and statistics," LOL.......

 

[therebbe]

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But I thought atheists use "logic, facts, and statistics," LOL.......

True, but the "logic, facts and statistics" are point to the fact that our brain power is not powerful enough to comprehend the concept of the infinity, or no creator.

 

[QuranStudy]

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True, but the "logic, facts and statistics" are point to the fact that our brain power is not powerful enough to comprehend the concept of the infinity, or no creator.

Thats defeats the purpose of atheism. People are atheist because they disbelieve what they cannot understand (Creator).

 

[therebbe]

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Not necessarily. Atheism is not the unity of a one message. Atheism is basically declaring there is not existence of G-d.

What some declare about 'facts, logic, and statistics' are separate at least under my understanding. That is from the individuals mouth.

 

[جوري]

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this is an attatchment to my earlier post.... I can't fine the original article but found one similar....This isn't to say jump on the band wagon and become religious rather a display of patient population coping mechanism, differences in depression and coping between those who have faith from those who don't...

"McClain et al.35 recently found that among terminally ill cancer patients, depression was highly correlated with a desire for hastened death in participants with low levels of spiritual well-being (r=0.40, p<0.0001) but not in those with high levels of spiritual well-being (r=0.20, p=0.06). Thus, spiritual well-being was found to offer some protection against end-of-life despair for those facing imminent death. Similarly, Nelson et al.36 reported a strong negative association between scores on the FACIT Spiritual Well-Being Scale and scores on the Hamilton Depression Scale among terminally ill patients with diagnoses of cancer and AIDS. The authors concluded that existential or spirituality-based interventions may offer important clinical benefits for those struggling to cope with a grave illness and prognosis."

 

[wilberhum]

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Azim,
My understanding is at the moment of the “Big Bang” current laws of physics did not apply and there is no ability to define any thing before the Big Bang.

The truth is that we exist, and we were created. The natural belief then is that we have a creator. Rather to assign ourselves as being creations of a non-sentient process of evolution and chance is wishful thinking.

Again you are talking about the trillionth interaction when the subject is about the first interaction. I see no relevance between the two. Still you justify a creator on the basis of every thing needing a creator except the creator. Though I think the “Original Matter” had a creator, I don’t find it a requirement.

 

[wilberhum]

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QuranStudy

Under what logical basis can you claim that mass and energy always existed?

I make no claim, I only present the possibility.

The tendency to make assertions without emperical evidence defeats the purpose of the fundamentals of atheism.

The fundamentals of atheism? The only fundamental of atheism is “no god”.
Besides I’m not a “Fundamental Atheist”.