Questions from an Atheist

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You realize what I said in the previous post? I said you cannot argue with common sense regardless if a person is Atheist or religious. It has nothing to do with god or not. Common sense prevails and not whether someone who committed mass crimes whether he was atheist or not. All I am saying is some of these extremists kill each other not based on common sense but faith in their god that at which most times cannot be justified based on common sense. thats all
 
I can also state the ethnic religious wars based in Somalia, Rwanda (hutu, tutsis millions died) and the ongoing wars between the sunnis, shiites and the kurds which has killed a significant amount of people.
 
joboman24 said:
You realize what I said in the previous post? I said you cannot argue with common sense regardless if a person is Atheist or religious. It has nothing to do with god or not. Common sense prevails and not whether someone who committed mass crimes whether he was atheist or not. All I am saying is some of these extremists kill each other not based on common sense but faith in their god that at which most times cannot be justified based on common sense. thats all
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What you say is a great deal of drivel that again is inconsequential. The world doesn't run by pubertal ideals or utopia per joboman. So as to not waste your time and ours, it is perhaps best you picket your protests on a white poster from staples where the impact might gain you some fox minutes..

best,
 
joboman24 said:
you realize again that your statement was utter crap. Did I ever say us Indians are innocent. I was born a bramhan but do you see me condoning anything that they did or do? No. I think it is disgusting in Hindu society in the way the system caste works for the top of the chain to the botooms (untouchables). Yes I realize India killed innocent Sikhs in Operation Blue Star and after that they decided to blow up Air India....(btw they were stashing weapons in the golden temple) again not justifiying it it was use of excessive force. And you do realize kashmir was always a part of India until the muslims decided to form their own country. It is very similar to the situation in the gaza strip. And who are you supporting there the palestines right? As am I supporting them against Israel. And would you like me to go on a laundry list about Pakistan? I didn't think so. No country is perfect over such a long period of time. Name one country please...yea that's what I thought. Why should India give freedom to kashmir when it was theirs all along? I believe to show some progress as humans both countries should have equal rights to Kashmir and show progress with peace and as humans in general. Has there been any terrorist attacks in Pakistan from Hindu extremists for Kashmir compared to numerous terrorist attacks in India? I didn't think so.
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by that logic, you'd claim that why should India give freedom to Pakistan when Pakistan was "theirs" all along. Who is theirs? As I've said, North Indians or Indo Aryans are not native to India, they migrated from Central Asia about 5000 years ago and brought havoc. If Tamils and Dravidians today start a movement to kick you North Indians for taking over their country 5000 years then what?

Sikhs have EVERY right to have their own country Khalistan. Kashmiris have every right to have their own country!

your country hates Pakistan, and the hate runs deep down. Pakistani cricket players were banned from playing for IPL for not other reason except that they were Pakistanis. I can keep on going and going. You wanted to drink tea in Lahore in 1965 right?

And then you come here, throw tantrums about Muslim extremists, this and that, while you do not look at people from your own race, your own caste, your own nation, your own religion or lack of religion killing others for worldly benefits.

You even have problem with atheists aka chinese! Whats up with the Agni-V missile that has Beijing in its range? Why are you so fearful of Atheist Chinese? Afterall atheists are nice and peaceful people, no?
 
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cosmic pathos the reality is the chinese have not used the missile they have on us. While the extremists would have already wiped out India given a chance. You say pakistan was theirs all along...the country where Hindu's and Muslims lived was called INDIA...do not forget that. It was like a religious group that rebeled away and wanted their own land like what is going on in sudan and south sudan. There is always some sense of fear when a country has a nuclear weapon regardless if they will use it or not because no matter how great the security there is always a chance of the bomb getting in the wrong person's hand. For example a few months ago in Pakistan they were carrying a nuclear missile in a truck/van with absolutely no security. You know what would have happened if the extremists found out and took over and secured the weapon while figuring out to launch it with the complex code? They would have launched it right towards India. There is every reason to throw a tantrum to talk down on extremists because they are often but not always delusional, misguided, and brainwashed based on what they are doing (jihad) will take them to paradise which just causes pain and suffering among the innocent civilians that are killed and the extremists thinking they will reach paradise. (Not saying they will or they won't....nobody living knows that's all...you maybe believe a certain way but do you really know? No you don't)
 
You realize that Hindu's and Muslim's live in Kashmir and not only muslims? Now are you trying to say that Kashmir should be a country in itself for the Muslim people or for both hindu's and muslim's to peacefully coexist? If it's the latter then I agree but if it is the first part then you are completely wrong. It is not about religion here. I am not bashing religion. I don't give a crap if someone prays to allah, jesus, or rama krisha or whoever. All of them believe that the god they are praying in is the "REAL" god so if believing in religion makes you a better person then more power to you. But if religion causes you to have extremist views which cause harm to the general population then that is wrong.
 
joboman24 said:
cosmic pathos the reality is the chinese have not used the missile they have on us.
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then why do you fear them so much? The fear is unfounded if they have never used it on your country, so may I say you guys are paranoid deluded?
 
joboman24 said:
You realize that Hindu's and Muslim's live in Kashmir and not only muslims? Now are you trying to say that Kashmir should be a country in itself for the Muslim people or for both hindu's and muslim's to peacefully coexist? If it's the latter then I agree but if it is the first part then you are completely wrong. It is not about religion here. I am not bashing religion. I don't give a crap if someone prays to allah, jesus, or rama krisha or whoever. All of them believe that the god they are praying in is the "REAL" god so if believing in religion makes you a better person then more power to you. But if religion causes you to have extremist views which cause harm to the general population then that is wrong.
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I have no reason to believe that an atheist will not have such harmful views. I have been harmed by many atheist "friends" in life, back stabbed by them, and everything else. I have no reason to believe that atheism implies "niceness."
 
joboman24 said:
All I am saying is some of these extremists kill each other not based on common sense but faith in their god that at which most times cannot be justified based on common sense. thats all
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All I'm saying is that ruthless dictators kill innocent people that is not based on common sense but their faith in their own social and political ideology which most of the time cannot be justified based on common sense. That is all.
 
I never said atheism implies "niceness". And to aprender give the leaders of terrorist organizations to lead your country and see how many people are slaughtered for being a different religion or faith. Look at the great saddam hussein, kadhafi, khamanei in Iran, Assad in Syria, Mubarak in Egypt, you want me to keep going on? Them being able to influence people based on their voice got them to lead the country (the hitlers and stalins) and they took advantage of that right. They never preached their nonbeliefs to the common people or do you think they would have gotten to the supreme power if they were atheist? They were just horrible human beings who happened to be atheists. There are also horrible people who happen to be religious. What I am saying is religion causes the "normal" people who wouldn't do something bad in the first place to use religion for his/her's religious prophecy.
 
joboman24 said:
What I am saying is religion causes the "normal" people who wouldn't do something bad in the first place to use religion for his/her's religious prophecy.
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replace religion with a beautiful woman. replace religion with money. replace religion with ego. Then see what results you get.

you are beginning to sound like a troll.

troll alert.
 
yes ego is bad for any human being. Money can be bad for human beings also and at times beautiful women can be bad for society if there are too many "perverts". Life should be based on your own personal moral impulse. that is all i am saying.
 
Aprender said:
What if your own personal moral impulses are to rob, murder and rape people weaker than you all the time?
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Then you are obviously not all there in your brain? It would have nothing to do with atheism or theism but the fact that their brain scientifically was not correctly programmed which caused it to malfunction and do bad things that aren't what a normal human being does based on society.
 
CosmicPathos said:
perverts? It is called evolutionary biology. What kind of a atheist you are? :S I know more about your creed than you do.
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Hey you probably do. I am no expert. Only thing I believe in is that life is based on chance. You might get one hell of a chance being born to a successfull family with lots of money and 3 meals a day on the table. Or you could be born into a dirt poor family in the slums or karachi or mumbai and starve to death.
 
joboman24 said:
Then you are obviously not all there in your brain? It would have nothing to do with atheism or theism but the fact that their brain scientifically was not correctly programmed which caused it to malfunction and do bad things that aren't what a normal human being does based on society.
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How and who was responsible for scientifically programming that brain? What is a normal human being?
 
The myth about atheism is that it makes sense.
 
Aprender said:
How and who was responsible for scientifically programming that brain? What is a normal human being?
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No "person" was responsible for scientifically programming the brain. It is based on pure luck in terms of what human being you turn out to be in regards to your brain. A normal human being is what we consider moral as a whole not based on any religious books or studies but based purely on observation of your surroundings.
 
Hulk said:
The myth about atheism is that it makes sense.
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the myth about religion is that it doesn't. And if it weren't for parents raising their kids in a certain religion whatever it may be the world would be full of atheists by now. Because during your adolescent growing process is when your brain absorbs everything and carries it over to adulthood. If you were programmed to be a killer as a kid you would be one hell of a murderer when you grow up. Just like most were programmed since adolsence to believe in a certain faith they are always going to stick to it regardless of human logic.
 

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