Questions from an Atheist

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CosmicPathos said:
where did Hindus, Hanuman monkeys, Ganesh Elephants and Cow Girls come in from in a discussion on "logic and science?" Are you an atheist or a Hindu? you seem to be very supportive of your Hindu brethren.
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i am an atheist. I question my own mom why she prays to god or why she offers food to god etc. I think it is silly. The sad reality is there is no meaning to life(although there is temporary meaning while you are living). You are going to live and die and erode off in the dust. That is my opinion unless someone can tell me there is an afterlife for a fact.
 
joboman24 said:
You are going to live and die and erode off in the dust.
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so are the babies who die? wow, what a pathetic view you have of yourself.

If that is really your belief, why are you so worked up on who kills who? We all are gonna erode away anyways, why does it matter to you if a muslimg gunmen shot down your friend in taj? She would have eroded off in the dust anyways.
 
M.I.A. said:
maths is naturally occurring in life before any equation or observation.

you would not know anything of science if it had not been related to you by some scientist, sure you may have a natural inclination to ask scientific questions but how far would you have got without the knowledge of others?

some scientist somewhere said for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction, if you applied that to any part of your life maybe that would make you a more careful person.

maybe if somebody said its an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth every word would be twice thought about before being uttered.
jesus pbuh apparently.

maybe a man said that there losses would be similar to yours and all of a sudden the burden of leadership and value of life is established.
the quran.

i may be clutching at straws to make these connections but maybe they fit into place easily within my universe. gods laws are never changing... its like they were set in the very heavens and the earth.

you miss the point when you say for the betterment of society, every man is his own man.. so he wishes to believe..
if you have ever tried to better society then maybe you would understand that it does not work like that.

you cannot better society.. it has to want to better itself.. individually.

freedom of choice.

i dont think god has ever been in human form. prophets have declared themselves as such and some have been the most humble in doing so..

prophet muhammed pbuh messenger and servant of allah swt.

dogs and cats and snakes and aliens.. well if they cross your path i guess a response is needed.. i doubt its god but it wouldnt have been there unless it was allowed to be there..
you missed out spiders.. they scare the hell outta me.
dunno bout aliens but they are harder to spot than ninja's.. somethings are better unseen i guess.

i have heard Neil deGrasse Tyson state the same about the universe that in its vastness and inhospitable nature at large there is no possibility of intelligent design.

i would say if you look at engineering at its forefront.. nanotechnology and robotics, what they hope to achieve in the future would very much resemble organic life.

..the robot of the future would be the human of today. the nanotechnology of tomorrow would be the blood cells of today.

i agree we are like ants in the cosmos, but there aint many ants out there as you know.

as for signs of god, the world is divided by war, oppression, hunger and apathy in equal parts.. if anybody thinks that god will bale the place out they are probably wrong.
in my eyes we are at least 1400 years to late for that bus.. that was the last sign in my eyes.. dont think we are getting another one until the very end.

yeah not much of a comfort blanket but religion was a wakeup call for me, peace in life can be achieved but if you go out looking for it.. it only ever seems like war.

as in your opening post, people will go to the ends of the earth to protect there religion.. but it was meant to protect them.
from a position of weakness comes strength.. just dont lose your heads while the knives are out.

we are all internet heroes but vastly unequipped to spread a religion other than peace.. so let it be peace.

asalaam alaikum.

maybe then there will be a sign and proof of god..

Confucius say, do unto others as they do unto you.

maybe they cant do until you do.. never thought about it like that.

dont transgress bounds, allah swt does not like those that transgress bounds... paraphrased.


whatever joboman 24 i can ramble all day its just opinion.
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a lot of what you said is garbage. But I agree with you on your last post. Let religion be peace. How about let peace be religion how does that sound? We can have peace as our religion and not all these fatwas and such banning so and so and such and such. There was a fatwa issue against sania mirza a muslim from India tennis player who had a fatwah out for her life because she wore a skirt. How about no such violence eh? Let the individual person do what they want? It's called having a human right.
 
muhammad how come you delete my post calling allah a bearded guy but not cosmic calling hindu god a cowgirl? Seems unfair to me.
 
sure peace can be the religion, so the next time your up for a job interview look at the faces of those competing with you for a job.
peace goes out the window every single day on every single level.


EDIT: ...fine..medical profession withstanding. lol

..except your competing with god there so double lol.


peace is foregone for life.. for survival, it brings out the worst in all of us.

i remember as a kid my headmaster used to tell a story in assembly, probably every year.

it was a tale of heaven and hell
a man was shown hell and in it were people at a feasting table but they could only eat with ten foot chopsticks. it was impossible and torture. the people in a state of disrepair.

he was then shown heaven where all the people were content and he thought life without chopsticks lol.
they sat to eat and the ten foot chopsticks came out..

they fed each other.


anyway it may not be the heaven im waiting for but its the hell we live in. hope you understand peace is as complicated as religion.

as for fatwahs on miniskirts, its much the same as iraqi's killing children that dress as emo's... yes it happened.

when you get people fit to lead, maybe you will finally get a people worthy to follow.
maybe its the other way around, when you get a people worthy to follow they may actually produce a worthy leader.

until then you will have every excuse.


incidentally it would have been much easier to target those selling the clothes and paraphernalia of emo'ism.. but it didnt happen like that.

and maybe the tennis player could have endorsed a muslim ladies fashion designer, im sure the girls can come up with something practical and islamic...missed out on free pr and advertising for sure.
 
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joboman24 said:
muhammad how come you delete my post calling allah a bearded guy but not cosmic calling hindu god a cowgirl? Seems unfair to me.
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I didnt say that, it is written in Vedas. The avatar of God-incarnate Krishna, despite having his wife Radha, used to play around with Cow Girls (called gopis) in the fields and used to sing them some tunes on his flute, some 3000 years ago.
 
joboman24 said:
i am an atheist. I question my own mom why she prays to god or why she offers food to god etc. I think it is silly. The sad reality is there is no meaning to life(although there is temporary meaning while you are living). You are going to live and die and erode off in the dust. That is my opinion unless someone can tell me there is an afterlife for a fact.
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Of course, your mother holds a different belief than muslims as we do not offer food to God , as he has no need of this, because he doesn't have needs like humans, it would not benefit him.

"To Allah belong all things in heaven and earth: verily Allah is He (that is) free of all wants, worthy of all praise."[ Al Qur'aan 31:26]

But, do you not realise that there is purpose for a human to be full of life at one point and at some point he'll become completely lifeless.
How can you accept that we get a life out of no where and die and rot away out of no where, and yet conclude, we have no reason.

If there is no meaning to life, then we shouldn't have been given a life to live in the first place. Why is this earth created? Who created it? What is the purpose of life? To simply say we came on earth for a couple of days and then rot away, doesn't make sense.
 
joboman24 said:
M.I.A the difference between science and religion is that there is foolproof backing to it based on math and other areas. There is no backing to relgion except "somebody said so".
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Not quite, but I see what you are getting at so let me rephrase it. The difference between science and religion is that they come at knowledge from opposite directions. Science is bottom up. It is about asking questions and doing tests to try to figure out the answers. Religion is top down. It is about declaring that you already have all the answers, by "revelation" (ie, because authority (ie God) told you them). Both kinds of learning COULD be valid... if we assume in the latter case that said authority is valid and something we should trust in (ie, "faith").
 
CosmicPathos said:
If that is really your belief, why are you so worked up on who kills who? We all are gonna erode away anyways, why does it matter to you if a muslimg gunmen shot down your friend in taj? She would have eroded off in the dust anyways.
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Because it would be ending her life and causing her pain and taking her away from him before it should be time. That isn't obvious to you?

By your same logic though, one could ask why would you object to people killing off muslims, if you believe that after they die they go to heaven.

And one could note how incredibly convenient suicide being considered a sin is.
 
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Pygoscelis said:
By your same logic though, one could ask why would you object to people killing off muslims, if you believe that after they die they go to heaven.
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Islam is not like Christianity in believing that once you die you automatically go to heaven. No, just because someone says they are a Muslim doesn't mean they automatically go to heaven.
 
Pygoscelis said:
By your same logic though, one could ask why would you object to people killing off muslims, if you believe that after they die they go to heaven.
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Cuz despite going to heaven, God has told us to value life as it is His blessing, and he has declared murder wrong, it does not however mean that valuing life negates the award that await in afterlife for martyrs and believers.
 
pygo you are absolutely right my phrasing came off a bit wrong. Ghareebah my personal belief is life was created by utter and meaningless randomness of luck. Life getting created on Earth to me is the chances of say winning the 600 million dollar lottery that 3 different people won recently. Some absolute stroke of luck sparked the first stroke of luck. I am not certain how the first spark of life was created although there is some semi valid theories. Maybe pygo can educate you more on that. seems like he is a lot more educated than me on this subject although we have the same beliefs. I am only 19 years old freshman in college so I have a lot more to learn.
 
to the religious. please give me an answer to this logic based on religion
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
 

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