Red Mosque leader urges surrender

[snakelegs]

I am not expert about Pakistan, but i wouldnt be so sure that majority doesnt want to live under sharia. First, we must see what kind of country it is. Almost half of people are illiterate. They live in great poor. Often islamic schools are the only place where the young can educate themselves. And i repeat again , just in parliament there are several islamic parties. But as i said before, i am not expert about this country.

i am far from expert either, though i have been interested in pakistan since
'99. pakistan's major problems are poverty, corruption and illiteracy. if the people were given half a chance, pakistan could be a great country without having to sacrifice their religion. this is what i would love to see.
these are the problems that so badly need to be addressed and dealt with - and they are not.
we are both only guessing, but i am pretty sure that most pakistanis do not wish to live under shariah. but who are we to say what most pakistanis want?

 

[snakelegs]

these recent events will definitely lead to more attacks even overseas. all wht has been achieved so far is fueling the ongoing crisis in the world not redusing or minimising it.

agreed. plus, i am afraid that there will be more bloodshed in pakistan itself.
but - and this is the last time i am going to repeat this (at least i have good intentions) - no group, no matter how righteous their motivations may be, can be allowed to take the law in their own hands as these people have been doing for the past 6 months. no government can allow this.

 

[nevesirth]

one thing i would love to see is george bush going to iraq with his wife and kids to liberate the iraqi pple. y doesnt he lead the army or send his children to war instead of sacrifising other peoples kids for his own reasons. i wonder how the parents of the slain soldiers feel, seeing tht their children were sacrificed for nothing while the presidents precious kids are safe and enjoying life 2 the fullest!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[snakelegs]

the people who make wars never get any dirt on them, let alone shed any of their own blood. instead, they get richer and richer.
but i am afraid we are going too far away from the topic of lal masjid.

 

[nevesirth]

u right, guess we said it all. theres nothing more to say on the lal masjid topic. so i officially declare this thread ...............
CLOSED LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[snakelegs]

that's not what i said, joker!
this is not over yet.

 

[doorster]

killing 50 will breed 500, kill the 500 and youll get 5000, crush 5000 and toull make 50000, and so on

what the illiterate terrorists and their supporters don't realize is that if US can eliminate an entire nation (aborigines of America) while being armed with just muskets and also imagine what they did to Nagasaki/Hiroshima

The way they are armed today, can you not imagine that they can destroy a thousand Pakistans in a blink of an eye?

how ignorant you people have to be before some mod smacks you in the head and says stop talking nonsense?

Just because you have got computers and can lookup crap from self appointed mufti sites, don't think that you are bloody geniuses of some kind and deserve to be called scholars, and made Generals and khalifahs of Muslims of Pakistan or anywhere else.

 

[snakelegs]

i understand why many pakistanis are angry at the u.s. for violating pakistan's sovereignty and i understand why many are angry at president musharraf for obeying bush. but i can't help but wonder what his opitions were/are? it is easy to condemn him for this, but who knows how many lives have been saved by his actions? none of us.

 

[islamirama]

what the illiterate terrorists and their supporters don't realize is that if US can eliminate an entire nation (aborigines of America) while being armed with just muskets and also imagine what they did to Nagasaki/Hiroshima

The way they are armed today, can you not imagine that they can destroy a thousand Pakistans in a blink of an eye?

how ignorant you people have to be before some mod smacks you in the head and says stop talking nonsense?

Just because you have got computers and can lookup crap from self appointed mufti sites, don't think that you are bloody geniuses of some kind and deserve to be called scholars, and made Generals and khalifahs of Muslims of Pakistan or anywhere else.

are you calling the students and teachers the masjid terrorists now? *********

And if you kill 50 innocent men and women then 500 will stand up for them and so forth, it's called standing up for justice against dictators and munafiqs like that dog you so arrograntly look upto.

And US can have all the nukes it want as well. We are not afraid nor can you scare us with your weak emaan. Allah has destroyed stronger nations than this evil empire and it's time too has come to crumble, it's a dieing empire that is waging wars crazy like a mad dog to since the world isn't scared of it anymore. And those who die by it's bombing a muslim nation like it did with afghan and iraq, inshallah all of them will be shaheed. So they don't loose either way. And you can bet pak has enough power to take out US bases in muslim world before going down.

 

[aamirsaab]

May I please remind all members not to insult one another during the middle of a discussion. Please drop your handbags, dawn has passed.

 

[doorster]

are you calling the students and teachers the masjid terrorists now? *

yes*1000

And if you kill 50 innocent men and women then 500 will stand up for them and so forth, it's called standing up for justice against dictators and munafiqs like that dog you so arrograntly look upto.

And US can have all the nukes it want as well. We are not afraid nor can you scare us with your weak emaan. Allah has destroyed stronger nations than this evil empire and it's time too has come to crumble, it's a dieing empire that is waging wars crazy like a mad dog to since the world isn't scared of it anymore. And those who die by it's bombing a muslim nation like it did with afghan and iraq, inshallah all of them will be shaheed. So they don't loose either way. And you can bet pak has enough power to take out US bases in muslim world before going down.

since you advocate suicide for rest of us, why are you sitting in US? why don't you do the world a favor and put on one of those suicide belts that you seem to be offering us?

And you can bet pak has enough power to take out US bases in muslim world before going down.

so to spite the US, we should nuke the Muslim world? wow! what a super idea

Hypocrites are screaming about death of 50 terrorists saying how bothered they are with those deaths yet have no qualms about instigating death of all Muslim world!

 

[islamirama]

yes*1000

may Allah guide you from your ignorance

since you advocate suicide for rest of us, why are you sitting in US? why don't you do the world a favor and put on one of them suicide belt that you seem to be offering us?

may Allah guide you from your ignorance and stupidty

 

[KAding]

i understand why many pakistanis are angry at the u.s. for violating pakistan's sovereignty and i understand why many are angry at president musharraf for obeying bush. but i can't help but wonder what his opitions were/are? it is easy to condemn him for this, but who knows how many lives have been saved by his actions? none of us.

You think Musharraf did this on orders of Bush?

 

[InSearchOfTruth]

I heard that one of the journalists asked the Director General ISPR Major General Waheed Arshad during the TV conference to confirm the government ordered for 800 coffins for adults and 300 for children killed inside the Lal Masjid operation. And he replied that he was not aware of this. However, if this is true, then this will be the most unimaginable massacre of innocents (men, women and children) in the history of Pakistan.

If any of you know more information about this matter, please share it with us in this thread.

 

[doorster]

I heard that one of the journalists asked the Director General ISPR Major General Waheed Arshad during the TV conference to confirm the government ordered for 800 coffins for adults and 300 for children killed inside the Lal Masjid operation. And he replied that he was not aware of this. However, if this is true, then this will be the most unimaginable massacre of innocents (men, women and children) in the history of Pakistan.

If any of you know more information about this matter, please share it with us in this thread.

this is called rumor spreading.

strange how it is your first post and you zoom right into this thread.

God dang Shayateen! Audhobillah! May Allah save us from falsehood and those who spread it!

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I reported this post in the hope that it will be deleted as a wild flight of fancy as it says "I heard"
from who?
what journalist?
what news agency?

 

[Cognescenti]

i wonder how it would have been like in the 70s when the ku klux klan was killing pple anyhow it pleased, if a coalition force from africa was sent to capture or kill the 'kkk terrorist' . would the us have backed this coalition force in hunting down and killing these radicals then? just some food for thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A "foreign" occupying force was sent to the South to enforce integration against the will of the locals. Either Kennedy or Johnson sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock, Arkansas to enforce a Federal Court order. It was not a popular decision among the locals

BTW....the KKK never was "killing people how it pleased" in the late 20th century. There were problems with local and state law enforcement, of course, but the Feds intervened.

Beyond that, your analogy doesn't hold water.

 

[InSearchOfTruth]

this is called rumor spreading.

strange how it is you first post and you zoom right into this thread.

God dang Shayateen! Audhobillah! May Allah save us from falsehood and those who spread it!

Currently there are hundreds of families weeping and begging the army for any information about their loved ones to know whether they are killed, injured or kept in the custody. But they are not getting any satisfactory answers from the government. And they have kept the media away from Lal Masjid intentionally to cover up their massacre. What is this?

If thousands of people are not killed during this army operation in the masjid, they should be brought in the open to show the public that the government is telling the truth, that they have rescued them.

 

[Woodrow]

Let us first decide that there is something we can agree upon. I believe we can all agree this was a tragedy and it makes no difference if one innocent life was lost or 10,000 innocent lives were lost. The family of the the wrongly killed love hurts the same, if it is a lone death or one of many.


Like all tragedies this leaves questions for which no person can offer adequate explanations.


Was it the deep hidden plan of evil people? If so who gained and what was gained?

Was it all the result of misunderstandings? What was misunderstood?

How could it have been avoided?

Now what really needs to be found is a way to keep this from being repeated. Can a repeat be avoided?

Who besides the dead are the real losers?

 

[snakelegs]

You think Musharraf did this on orders of Bush?

no, i didn't mean that, altho most certainly there was pressure from bush. bush has been pressuring president musharraf ever since 9/11.
many are critical of president musharraf for giving in to bush's orders - but what were his options?
i guess, according to people like islamirama, he should have told bush "no" and then the americans would've bombed pakistan the way they did afghanistan, but worse (since pakistan was not an already-destroyed nation) - and all the pakistanis would have been blessed with instant martyrdom and lived happily ever after.
you can see why this would have been preferable....:rollseyes

 

[Cognescenti]

Unfortunately, the past behavior of the current Pakistani government has undermined their credibility.

A good example was some leader (can't remember his name) in Waziristan with ties to the Taleban just happens to meet his maker in a big explosion with no airplane sounds about. The locals find apparent missile parts strewn about with English-language printing on them. Instead of just admiting the CIA is opearting in Pakistani territory, the Pakistani military claims they used a new "secret weapon"

To this add the rumor-conspiracy predelictions of millions of poorly educated Pakistanis and you have quite a PR problem for the government. If they can believe the Israelis blew up the WTC, they can certainly believe the Pakistani Govnmt. is understating the death toll.