not just the Pakistanis, islamirama also wants us to destroy Muslim countries to spite America just before America destroys us
Hey doorknob, how the hell are you going to talk for me when you can't even talk straight for your ownself. So why don't you keep your mouth shut and stop putting words in my mouth before i break your handle.
Originally Posted by
snakelegs
no, i didn't mean that, altho most certainly there was pressure from bush. bush has been pressuring president musharraf ever since 9/11.
many are critical of president musharraf for giving in to bush's orders - but what were his options?
i guess, according to people like islamirama, he should have told bush "no" and then the americans would've bombed pakistan the way they did afghanistan, but worse (since pakistan was not an already-destroyed nation) - and all the pakistanis would have been blessed with instant martyrdom and lived happily ever after.
you can see why this would have been preferable....
Let me clarify this for your snakelegs since you are not a Muslim and don't quite understand where i'm coming from.
By saying yes, musharaaf killed more people than he could otherwise. By saying yes, he allowed bush to use pakistan as base to attack afghanistan. All those deaths of innocent afghans is not only on bush regime's head but also on musharaaf for aiding an enemy of islam in killing of Muslims. Had he stood is ground and said no to afghan, the invasion of afghan would have not been possible and the invasion of iraq would not have been possible, much less an attack on pakistan.
Muasharaaf himself said that US would be no where without it's help on this "war on terror" and he is right. He says he helped to protest its people but i highly doubt that. He sends a bill of service to US in billions for fighting "terrorists" every year. Where do you think all those billions go? surely, it doesn't cost billions for pakistan's army to go bomb and shoot tribal people and kidnap innocents and make them disappear.
Afghanistan is a poor and tribal country and yet it was able to fight soviet for 10yrs and drive them out. They would have managed to do the same to US if pakistan had helped like it did with the soviets. There would have been far less causalities as well. Pakistan has nuclear power, has strong military and what not, it's not a tribal nation that it can't fight back. Plus China would have came to help pakistan out out of it's own interest then to let US dominate that region.
Islamic prospective wise, everything musaraaf did is wrong and unacceptable not to mention treason against it's people, the ummah and islam. He is a munafiq (traitor) and would be hanged for his deception and aiding the enemies of Islam. He helped enemies of Islam bomb a Muslim nation, he helped by bombing and killing he's own country's Muslims. Everything he did was against Islam. Except for a few secular modernist fanatics like dookstopper here, all Muslims will tell you the same thing. So you can see why i've stated what i've stated thus far.
It's not a matter of matyrdom but of what is right islamic wise and what he should have done compared to what he did do. If pakistan was attacked and that is a big IF, then it would have fought back asking help from it's allies. There would have been causalities but no nation wiped out nor other nations invaded. Even though bush's people threatened him, i highly doubt they would have attacked and even then they would have gotten no where. And all the bloodshed and these invasion of afghan, iraq and this "war on terror" would have not been possible. So you see busharaaf did more wrong then right and even though he may have had some concern for his country but he had ulterior motives more than concerns for the public. Those ulterior motives add up to billions of dollar in foreign accounts.
Just think about it, I don't think any nation that has military and power to fight would listen to another sovereign nation's threat and not start an uproar in the media. Look at how well chavez has been able to keep US off of it's soil. Busharaaf would've been able to protect his country without even any armed forces just by using his mouth a bit more like chavez does.