Religion is number one instigator of violence?

[aamirsaab]

Not the point. Islam is there to tell you how to do everything right. If you just pick and choose which bits you feel like doing, what's the point? You might as well pick a simple set of humanistic principles and work around them.

Hahaha, the only time violence is ever allowed in Islam is in a war - and even that is after all other options are exhausted (negotiations etc). Most of the time, to practice Islam is simply to be a nice human being.

It is partly to do with the follower, but religion enables him to act this way unlike any other reason as this is the only case in which the person is under the impression he is absolutely correct and that he has god on his side. Such a person does not consider the possibility of being wrong and thus is dangerous in his inflexibility.

It's the exact same with any ideology or way of life. At the core lies belief from a human being, who has zoomed in way too much. Again human error. Yeah religion/ideology/way of life may very well be the petrol, but the follower is the car AND the driver in those cases.

Without religion he would be better able to take the middle ground and reach a compromise.

1) Without religion people would fight first and compromise later (it would be survival of the fittest since religion tells you to control your emotions and find compromises FIRST)
2) Islam I know for a fact takes the middle ground on a large majority of the occasions.... :beard:

I would also like to draw your attention to Osman's post, just above this one and also Eric H's.

 

[Nerd]

The collective Muslim psyche is too temperamental as it keenly takes offense in anything that contradicts, negates or criticizes its faith. They need to understand that critical analysis and commentary should not be deterred and perhaps also learn to tolerate (if not appreciate) satire instead of maniacally focusing their pent up rage on sabotaging foreign property and harming foreign individuals. A disagreement can easily easily be resolved by fighting back, but only verbally.

 

[Uthman]

It is possible to criticise a religion, whilst staying respectful. Cartoons depicting Prophet Muhammad with a bomb in his turban are hardly that.

But I agree that anger should be controlled and/or channelled in peaceful and more effective ways to tackle the problem. It is ironic that some Muslims actually fail to emulate the example of the person that they try to defend. We should pray that Allah guides these people. Their anger may be justified, but their actions are not.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you barney;

If your Dad came up to you and said "Hey son or daughter, The Geordies are worthless trash, theyre my enemy, your far better than them, there will be a time when even Trees will start pointing out where they are and asking you to kill them, the loser-worthless, apes and donkeys, with their crappy football team and their whiney accents"
You wuld tell your dad to stop talking nonsense.
You cant tell God that.

Likewise if the Quran said go fly a plane into a building you would say what a stupid religious book. But I think you will find there is no reference to flying planes into buildings in any religious text.

It leaves me thinking it is man and not religion to blame.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric

 

[snakelegs]

since i am not overly fond of religion, i always belived also the subject line of this thread. now i have come to see that it is not religion, but something within our psyche that makes us violent toward others. religion can be (as indeed it has been) used as an excuse, and people in power can also use it to manipulate the people.
if religion disappeared overnight, would all the violence all over the world immediately end? of course not - there is no shortage of divisions, and new ones can always be created by politicians.
on the other hand, religion has been a major source of comfort to untold billions throughout the ages, given them hope when all seemed hopeless, a light in times of utter despair, etc etc.
if violence were not in the human heart, no religious doctrine could create it.

 

[Fishman]

I can't believe people are asking this question. How can you keep blaming religion for all of the world's problems? Especially when everybody knows that I am the number one instigator of violence! Prepare to be pwned, n00bz!!!!!111oneoneone!!!11!11!!!1!!

J/K (if it wasn't obvious already)

Seriously, I agree with Snakelegs on the fact that if you take away religion people will think of something else to fight over instead. Like race, or nationality or the Christmas sales. Religion may cause a lot of violence in the world today, but getting rid of it won't really solve anything.

 

[barney]

since i am not overly fond of religion, i always belived also the subject line of this thread. now i have come to see that it is not religion, but something within our psyche that makes us violent toward others. religion can be (as indeed it has been) used as an excuse, and people in power can also use it to manipulate the people.
if religion disappeared overnight, would all the violence all over the world immediately end? of course not - there is no shortage of divisions, and new ones can always be created by politicians.
on the other hand, religion has been a major source of comfort to untold billions throughout the ages, given them hope when all seemed hopeless, a light in times of utter despair, etc etc.
if violence were not in the human heart, no religious doctrine could create it.

I'm in agreement with some of that Snakes, but where political divisions can be healed, territorial disputes negotiated and madmen assassinated; Religion cannot be negotiated or healed. We know this from these very forums.


Oh and Fishman; IR TEH PWNZERATER and I Pwn J00! U R a N00blocopter and haf noes skillz!!!2!2!1!!

 

[Yanal]

:salamext:

Islam= PEACE

Nothing to do with violence

Asalam alaykum
Not all think that sister. People who are british or some other religon pay the terroists to call themselves muslims and to do something bad to blame muslims. Jeez people are so gullable in the world affairs.

 

[Azy]

Asalam alaykum
Not all think that sister. People who are british or some other religon pay the terroists to call themselves muslims and to do something bad to blame muslims. Jeez people are so gullable in the world affairs.

Yeah that makes complete sense.

British: Right, basically I want you to blow yourself up while shouting something about Allah so that everyone will think you're a muslim
Terrorist: ok, what's in it for me.
British: £50,000 enough?
Terrorist: Yeah, great!
British: Ok, get going.
Terrorist: But wait I'm not a real muslim so I don't believe in paradise, what happens when I've killed myself...
British: Don't worry about that you'll have plenty of money to spend
Terrorist: But how am I going to spend...
British: Stop asking questions and go blow something up.
Terrorist: Umm, ok then

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I dont think religion is the number one instigator. People use religion as bait when they want to accomplish what's on their agenda, so to speak. Plain and simple really. Well majority of the conflicts.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you all,

After reading the Bible I truthfully do not know how Christians could go out and torture others during the inquisitions. I cannot understand the logic or how they came to these beliefs.


For me Christianity is all about helping others, but have I got it all wrong? Should I be out torturing, killing and bombing?

In the spirit of searching for truth

Eric

 

[kirk]

where we have groups of people who identify with each other, such as footbal team supporters or tribes, the groups will ultimately come into conflict.

In the 21st century communications has made the world smaller. There are no fewer groups.

But the main groups are split along religios lines. And therefore and conflict will be religious based

m

 

[snakelegs]

phooey. if religion is gone, there is always nationalism, racism, culturism, tribalism and many more isms can be hatched any time politically expedient.
do you really believe that if religion ceased to exist tomorrow, there would be peace and harmony?
the problem is in the human psyche - greed, power and violence.

 

[snakelegs]

I'm in agreement with some of that Snakes, but where political divisions can be healed, territorial disputes negotiated and madmen assassinated; Religion cannot be negotiated or healed. We know this from these very forums.


Oh and Fishman; IR TEH PWNZERATER and I Pwn J00! U R a N00blocopter and haf noes skillz!!!2!2!1!!

can racism be healed or negotiated? can ideologues?
think hitler, stalin.

 

[Nerd]

Reminds of Imagine by John lennon

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

What can religion do to curb all the violence in this world??? if it isnt the main reason why we have all the blood shed in the world?

 

[glo]

where we have groups of people who identify with each other, such as footbal team supporters or tribes, the groups will ultimately come into conflict.

I believe it is part of human nature, with humans being a social creatures, living in social groups. The group one belongs to and identifies with, is important to human survival.

 

[i_m_tipu]

where we have groups of people who identify with each other, such as footbal team supporters or tribes, the groups will ultimately come into conflict.

In the 21st century communications has made the world smaller. There are no fewer groups.

But the main groups are split along religios lines. And therefore and conflict will be religious based

m

Cultural devidetion is essential. But devidetion in Morality can't be supported.
A human always try to prove that he is uncommon than others.
And People divided into groups for to impress others also always he want to proves his side is better. And the leader/shadow leader of respective groups uses this people.
Human never usually fully understand is he blind or not.

When the defination of morality come from various source confict must be araise. And if it come from human than never all the people obey/ respect it (Bcoz many ppl many mind).

So how come u establish peace?? This is a very important question think abt it.

 

[barney]

Yeah that makes complete sense.

British: Right, basically I want you to blow yourself up while shouting something about Allah so that everyone will think you're a muslim
Terrorist: ok, what's in it for me.
British: £50,000 enough?
Terrorist: Yeah, great!
British: Ok, get going.
Terrorist: But wait I'm not a real muslim so I don't believe in paradise, what happens when I've killed myself...
British: Don't worry about that you'll have plenty of money to spend
Terrorist: But how am I going to spend...
British: Stop asking questions and go blow something up.
Terrorist: Umm, ok then

But it is Fifty Thousand Punds. Think of the funeral you could have with that! A solid diamond coffin on a bed of caviar.

 

[barney]

Greetings and peace be with you all,

After reading the Bible I truthfully do not know how Christians could go out and torture others during the inquisitions. I cannot understand the logic or how they came to these beliefs.


For me Christianity is all about helping others, but have I got it all wrong? Should I be out torturing, killing and bombing?

In the spirit of searching for truth

Eric

If your following the scriptures mate , yeah.
Head down this sunday with a car boot full of rocks and pelt the staff of Blockbusters to death for violating the sabbath.

 

[Keltoi]

If your following the scriptures mate , yeah.
Head down this sunday with a car boot full of rocks and pelt the staff of Blockbusters to death for violating the sabbath.

Actually, for a Christian, the example we follow is that of Christ, whose only interaction with a stoning was to stop it from taking place. Making the well known statement of "Let those without sin throw the first stone."

Just FYI