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[muslimah_81]

Sister

We are required only to follow Allah swt by His book and Sunnah not opinions of others, which contradict both the Quran and Sunnah and cause discord, fitna and slandering.

So are you saying the opinions of scholars who dedicated their lives to studying Islam are not valid and only yours are?
How do Ibn Kathirs opinions contradict The Quran and Sunnah? Please enlighten me on this? If his teachings go against The Quran and Sunnah then I believe it is your duty to inform me of this as I dont agree with you and according to you I might possibly be being misled.

You are simply misconstruing the tafsir without realizing and through your own confusion attacking innocent Muslims without any concrete evidence.

How am I misconstruing the tafsir? Do you own a copy of Ibn Kathir's Tafseer?
If not then check the following link and the tafsir of ayat 50:16 in my post will match what is written in Ibn Kathir's Tafseer.

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=50&tid=50110

Revelation through Whose Knowledge? Your suggestion of "Our Knowledge" for angels being present as "part authors" with Allah swt, during the revelation of this verse, is bordering on shirk!

^ you are the one that is misconstruing the tafsir. Read it again sister and try and understand it this time.


Wasalaam

 

[Sameera]

None of the above great and esteemed scholars suggest that Allah is literally everywhere

Incorrect. This is my belief that Allah's presence is everywhere as stated in the Quran and that He is Near. (2:115, 2:186)

I have also given here ample Quran verses and a link to a scholar as evidence. You are simply hairsplitting and having futile disputes over nothing and you are misconstruing scholars tafsir - the same scholars from Al Mawrid.

I have just provided evidence from numerous Quran verses which prove that Allah swt Himself says His presence is everywhere and that He is Near.

This is my belief, if you have another, that is up to you, but I believe in the whole Quran including this verse which you ignore entirely:

Al Quran: 2:115

To Allah belong the East and the West; whithersoever ye turn there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is All-Pervading All-Knowing.

That does not mean that Allah is "INSIDE everything", but His Presence is "everywhere" ie He is the Creator, NOT the created! He is NOT the air, nor the glass or the water which we drink. He is Al Qareeb - the Near!

When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (2:186)

Allah swt did not describe Himself as in one place up in the sky. He is not remote, He created the plants, birds, the animals, mountains, the moon, the sun, the nations, various people, clouds, skies, the universe, stars, galaxies...and yes, even the angels - He created them all.

It is clear that if I went abroad, whether Saudi, Germany, Australia, Africa, I know that Allah is Near, al Qareeb - as Allah swt says His Presence is everywhere in verse 2:115

Everything is created by Him and Allah swt is ONE whom no one can see or comprehend.

We say He is everywhere because His presence is everywhere. This is what Harun Yahya and many Muslims believe - it is a well known fact even by scholars that we can not imagine Him, but that He is always Near.

So none of you have any reason to dispute on and on about Br H.Yahya, publicly humiliating him and slandering him, as you should all fear Allah. The fact that he even teaches people one Quran verse is a wonderful thing and a great reward.

In this forum people have called him a Kafir, a disbeliever, crazy, having strange beliefs,... and all these are slanders. If you have misgivings then go to the brother yourself and discuss it with him personally, not with me or here in the public.

Yes Harun is right about this world is an illusion - if only you would read is books you will find all the Quran verses and hadith references there:

"Another verse explains how people are blinded by illusion because of this earthly life:

Yet still you prefer the life of the world, when the hereafter is better and longer lasting. (Surat al-A'la, 16-17)

The root of dunya (world) has a very important meaning in this sense: It is a derivative of the adjective "daniy": low, unrefined, basic and worthless. "World" means a space characterized by these traits. So, the Qur'an often emphasizes this worldly life's worthlessness and unimportance. It refers to such things as wealth, family, status, and success, which are thought to make for a good life, as nothing more than transitory and deceptive. In one verse, Allah says:

Know that the life of the world is merely a game and a diversion and ostentation, and a cause of boasting among yourselves and trying to outdo one another in wealth and children, like the plant-growth after rain, which delights the cultivators. But then it withers, you see it turning yellow, and then it becomes broken stubble. In the hereafter there is terrible punishment, but also forgiveness from Allah and His good pleasure. The life of the world is nothing but the ENJOYMENT OF DELUSION. (Surat al-Hadid, 20) "

http://www.harunyahya.com/paradise02.php

So here is another evidence form the Quran. Do you know what the word 'delusion' means in the above verse which Harun Yahya has presented in his article? Please look it up in the dictionaries and yes do read up the tafsir by Ibn Kathir. It means illusion, deception, misconception. In one dictionary it is: "the act of deluding; deception by creating illusory ideas".

This verse alone proves the fact that Harun Yahya is using the correct evidence from the Quran appropriately and you are all incorrect about finding faults in him in stating that the world is not illusive.

I have stated many times and keep repeating that I see nothing wrong with what he teaches. You can only change what is within you but you can not change me or make me or anyone believe in your opinions.

If you do not agree with me, or Br H.Y, or anyone else that is up to you, but there is no compulsion in Islam (2:256) and Allah swt is our final Judge for all that you accuse.

Wasalam

 

[Sameera]

Excerpt by Harun Yahya:

The Qur’an is the divine book revealed by Allah to guide mankind. While it helps increase the faith of the believers, it exposes the denial of the unbelievers.

“He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: ‘We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord’, and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.” (Surat Aal-e-Imran, 3:7)

That means that some verses of the Qur’an have the capacity both to reveal the transgressions of “those whose hearts are flawed by perversity” and to increase the faith and submission of the believers.

It should be noted, however, that no one can guarantee that he will continue to preserve his faith. Believers may also lose the Qur’anic point of view with the effect of Satan’s temptations. Naturally they would not perceive the wisdom in the Qur’an if they read it while under the sway of Satan. That is why Allah commands believers to seek refuge in Him from the evil influence of Satan before reading the Qur’an: “When you read the Qur’an, seek Allah’s protection from Satan, the rejected one.” (Surat an-Nahl, 16:98)

http://www.harunyahya.com/moralvalues05.php

 

[Insaanah]

sister,

Thank you for your posts. You have your own strong views on the matter, and we will have to accept that we probably won't ever agree on the matter. I've said all I had to say. You are entitled to hold your opinion, and although I may not agree with yours, I have to respect that yours will differ without accusing you of anything.

As you rightly state, Allah knows best.

So we will have to agree graciously to disagree sister, even if we don't like it.

With best wishes, (and I really and sincerely do mean that )

 

[Sameera]

Since my posts are deleted for no decent reason on other threads, my time is wasted and I have been constantly attacked I have decided to leave your forums and your site, Moderators.

I find this site is anti-dawa and intolerant of other views, but tolerant of abuse.

Wasalam

 

[muslimah_81]

Sister

Noone is attacking you. You need to keep more of an open mind, accept that other people have different views and maybe change the way you give dawah as like I said earlier your post come across as you know better than anyone else. I'm not saying this is what you believe. However your posts appear to be like that.

If so many people are disagreeing with you it does not mean they are attacking you.

I really dont mean this in a bad way but you really need to sit down and think about what you are saying before posting.

Once again I had no intention of attacking you and if you feel like this then please forgive me.

Wasalaam

 

[Sampharo]

Sister Sameera has the wrong view and opinion about an issue that is deep rooted in Aqeedah and it is correct that we try to present the correct view with evidence. However I do agree with her that the criticism of Harun Yahya was completely uncalled for and not our place to carry out.

First off his own writings say clearly that he does not embrace Wahdatul Wujud, the mystical philosophy brought by Sufis and was the basis of the thought that God is everywhere. When Islamically knowledgable people refuse the characteristics of God and include Wahdatul Wujud and explicitly say "Salaf's way was safer, ours is wiser" then that is the deviant sect that can be pinpointed and those statements are truly statements of kufr. But when a person who is focusing on scientific issues of creationism and has done so much to combat the spread of evolution that even secular sources are considering that he has single-handedly dethroned darwinism as the de-facto theory of origin of life, is criticised by -and I mean this with respect- internet forum laypeople over a word in a hostile interview and want to unravel all his worth and credit to Islam over it?

How many posters here thought Sunnah is not necessary to follow, and that it's optional? How many thought the taliban of Pakistan blowing themselves up at mosques were true mujahideen? How many posts were made to ask about finding sufi mystics to help them with their studies/marriage/parents illness? How many people went on the 2012 bandwagon and got excited about predicting and fortunetelling judgement day based on numerical patterns? and actually how many here made the strictly forbidden mistake of passing takfir on someone else?

As far as Harun Yahya is concerned he is a self-declared Sunni who says he does not embrace sufi concepts or Wahdatul Wujud here: "Let us state, before all else, that the author of this book is a believer strictly abiding by the doctrine of Ahlus Sunnah and does not defend the view of Wahdatul Wujood." Not only that but he also says: "Some of those who defended the view of Wahdatul Wujood were engrossed by some erroneous opinions and made some claims contrary to the Qur’an and the doctrine of Ahlus Sunnah." which shows that he is a man who respects evidence from Quran and Sunnah. For a turkish person who is surrounded by 95% AshAAari Talkers and Sufis who say they are Ahlu Sunnah, it is not abnormal for him to have taken in a deviated statement of faith here or there thinking it is of Ahlu Sunnah and of the prophet -pbuh-. When he makes the statement, a simple correction to him by a knowledgable scholar and a debate can take place to correct that part.

WHat we take from the man is what he offers to us: his research of all the scientific experiments and conclusions that disproved darwinism and affirmed the necessary existence of God for the creation of what we see around us. For that we should be grateful.

Before you dig for what else he wrote, pass by the earlier mentioned "Bilal Phillips" and tell him that it is the consensus of scholars of Islam that takfir is not passed onto people even if they pronounce statements that are classified as kufr. Then let us look at ourself and work on that a bit, make sure that OUR Aqeeda is solid and correct.

May God guide us all to truth, the whole real truth.

 

[Ali_slave of Allah]

Salams,

Harun Yahya IS a Muslim. Every Muslim knows Allah swt is everywhere, this doesn't mean that He is "everything" as He is Al Khaliq - The Creator of the Universe.

Allah swt Himself says in the noble Quran that He is Near and that is one of his attributes "Al Qarib"

Say: “If I am misguided, it is only to my detriment. But if I am guided, it is by what my Lord reveals to me. He is All-Hearing, Close-at-hand.” (Surah Saba, 34:50)

And indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein, [50:16]

Or are you saying that Allah swt is in a remote place? Distant from us? Then you are going against the Quran.

Here is more evidence from the Quran:

If My servants ask you about Me, I am near . I answer the call of the caller when he calls upon Me. They should therefore respond to Me and believe in Me, so that hopefully they will be rightly guided. (Surat al-Baqara, 2:186)

Allah's Saying: "I am very near to My Servant" is also in a hadith

[Sahih Muslim : Book 35 Kitab Al-Dhikr, Number 6471]

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, thus stated: I am near to the thought of My servant as he thinks about Me, and I am with him as he remembers Me. And if he remembers Me in his heart, I also remember him in My Heart, and if he remembers Me in assembly I remember him in assembly, better than his (remembrance) , and if he draws near Me by the span of a palm, I draw near him by the cubit, and if he draws near Me by the cubit I draw near him by the space (covered by) two hands. And if he walks towards Me, I rush towards him.

http://www.123muslim.com/hadith/6830-allahs-saying-i-am-very-near-my-servant.html

This is going way too far in slandering and it is unislamic to pronounce takfir on someone who not only believes in Allah swt but has produced countless books with many quotations of the Quran. It seems some people are bent of pressing the reply button without thinking what they are saying.

READ:

Backbiting & Slander - an Islamic perspective

Prohibition of Takfir

Please study Islam in depth and improve the level of iman instead of slandering others.

Wasalam

wa 3alaykisalaam
sister i never made takfeer of him.

secondly Allaah is close to us by his knowledge and Hearing and Seeing as it as ibn 'abbaas and others have said about the ayahs you pasted, go and read tafseer ibn katheer.

 

[Uthman]

:salamext:

JazakAllah Khayr for the clarification Brother Sampharo.

Before you dig for what else he wrote, pass by the earlier mentioned "Bilal Phillips" and tell him that it is the consensus of scholars of Islam that takfir is not passed onto people even if they pronounce statements that are classified as kufr.

Just to mention; I have seen no evidence that Bilal Philips has passed takfeer onto Harun Yahya. Bilal Philips is a graduate of the Islamic University of Madeenah for whom I have a great deal of respect and there is no doubt in my mind that he fully understands the ramifications and implications of declaring somebody to be a Kaafir. If he didn't do it, I wouldn't be surprised, and likewise if he did, I am sure that he wouldn't have done it without good reason.

And Allah Knows best.