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Lol usually if a women wants me to shake her hand, i just become all :scared: and then after the awkwardness i just say my religion respects women.
 
Do Muslims put their hands together and slightly bow their heads when greeting people? Sorry if this is wrong. :omg:
 
^I think you're confusing that with the Japanese custom =)
 
I kinda like that Japanese custom to be quite frank.. it is polite and enables you, your private bubble.. free from bees and disease..
 
Thanks for this article I was looking for something like this
 
dqsunday said:
Then again some people are so used to sticking out their hands to shake its automatic and by the time they realize its not a good idea, a gentle reminder for the woman to say 'I choose not to shake hands due to my religion but i am most pleased to meet you' should work fine. If polite and respectful the hand shaker will understand.
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There was a brother once who spoke about the automaticity of sticking out his hand to shake, so he trained himself to place it over his heart, and then he would say what you wrote, then he does not shake hands due to his religious beliefs. I think the hand over the heart is a nice gesture.
 
i ve added posts here twice..but it seems like they seem to disappear,without warning,but it wasn't offensive either...it may be a glitch.. yes i agree the gesture of the hand is very noble and humbling, and my post was explaining,that chines people do bow and it is respected,hence the more we practice,the more widely it will be received without the issues in sha Allaah
 
personally , when i don't have choice i shake hand ,

if shaking hand can turn a person on , i think he is really in trouble .
 
Sometimes at work I have to shake hand the girls. Is that haraam?? sorry I didn't read the OP, too long:hmm:
 
Paprika said:
Sometimes at work I have to shake hand the girls. Is that haraam?? sorry I didn't read the OP, too long:hmm:
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ok it depends on your intention from shaking hand , apparently some people can get pleasure from this .
 
MohamedMaghrebi said:
ok , i think there a lot of things more important if muslim life today , than getting pleasure from a shaking hand .
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A part of our faith is the principle of sadd al-dharaa’i’ which means to block the means that may lead to haraam things and closing every door that may lead to evil and sin. So as Muslims we should keep away from anything that may cause us to fall into sin or evil in the first place and surely a man touching or grasping the hand of an attractive (or even half attractive) woman may be enough to ignite passions and desires within him, even in a person with the most strongest of imaan especially for a person who may have a sickness in his heart.

So although this issue may seem small to you, it should not be dismissed as being minor and unimportant as it is far better to keep away from anything which may ignite ones passions and desires and therefore may lead to sin.
 
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Hamza Asadullah said:
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A big part of our faith is that we keep away from anything that may cause us to fall into sin. Then surely a man touching or grasping the hand of an attractive (or even half attractive) woman may be enough to ignite passions and desires within him, even in a person with the most strongest of imaan.

So although this issue may seem small to you, it should not be dismissed as being minor and unimportant as it is far better to keep away from anything which may ignite ones passions and desires and therefore may lead to sin.
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What about muslim male doctors having to do check up on women???
I know a couple of muslim male gynacologists, can't for the life of me understand why they got into that profession:-[
There are probably a hundred different fields they could have specialised in.
 
Paprika said:
What about muslim male doctors having to do check up on women???
I know a couple of muslim male gynacologists, can't for the life of me understand why they got into that profession:-[
There are probably a hundred different fields they could have specialised in.
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That is why it is encouraged for Muslim women to take up such specialities as Gynacology so that there is less of a chance of Muslim women having to see male gynacologists.

Regarding your question about Muslim doctors treating the opposite gender then Mawlana Rafaqat Rashid of the UK, who is a GP gave his response to this question:

Medical Professionals treating patients of opposite gender –
Shari’ Guidelines
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I have not inserted evidential text to save space and technicalities. Reference should be made to Imam Ibn Abideen, Raddul Muhtar and al-qawa’id al- fiqhiyya of dharar and dharurah’(harm and necessity), al-ashbah wa’l- naza’ir of ibn Nujaym and Imam al-Suyuti.

There are two issues of concern here:

1. Awra’ (exposing parts of the body which are not permissible to a non-mahram)
2. Khalwa’ (seclusion with a non-mahram)

Both of the above are not permitted in shariah. However, exceptions are made in cases such as medical need or necessity. Most of the fuqaha are agreed upon this but with conditions:

CONDITIONS
1. Real Need

al-dharurat tubih al-mahzurat (necessity permits the impermissible)

There must be a ‘real need’. Real need would fall within the scope that examination of a certain anatomy of a person is required to ascertain information that is likely to:

• support a diagnosis or therapy. (this can include a broad system examination for ? cancer, surgical treatment, a process of investigation i.e transvaginal U/S)

• Prevent medical liability- as this would be threatening to one’s career and would be a requirement by the medical regulatory bodies and medical law.

• For educational reasons- i.e. learning how to examine a system or taking an exam

Note- One must bear in mind if any of the above can be avoided without medico-legal risk then this would be a better option. Example- If it is obvious there is a small uncomplicated boil around the groin from the history and there is no evidence of red flags, then it would be better just to provide antibiotics rather than examine the groin etc.

2. Availability of appropriate gender health professional

If the patient is of opposite gender then all effort must be made to refer the patient to a health professional who is of the same gender as the patient. This will depend on availability. Ideally for a female patient the order of preference is a Muslim female, a non-Muslim female, a practicing Muslim male and finally a non-Muslim Male. For a male patient a Muslim male, then a non-Muslim female, a Muslim female and finally a non-Muslim female. Non-availability will only be justified for the following reasons:

• The other health professional is not willing to see or examine the patient

• There is no available health professional, who fulfils the required experience or skill level. (i.e. A male consultant gynaecologist would be considered permissible even if a female Muslim gynaecologist is available but does not have the required expertise)

• There is no obligation to undergo hardship to the extent that it could be detrimental to one’s career, in seeking an appropriate gender health professional of sufficient expertise. (i.e. if patients have been placed on one’s named clinic list, it would be considered serious hardship to see only the same gender patients even if an appropriate gender health professional is available as this could be detrimental to one’s career and reputation) al-mashaqqatu tajlub al-taysir (hardship begets facility)

• If there is an emergency and the first health professional available is not of the same gender. al-dharar al-ashadd yuzal bi’l-darar al-akhaff (a greater harm is eliminated by [tolerating] a lesser harm)

Note- Circumstances where there is a need to examine the genital/anal areas of males and females, or breasts of females would require one to exert some element of hardship in seeking a health professional of appropriate gender, as these are considered areas of shahwa (sexual organs or areas of modesty- even to health professionals). It is therefore discouraged for males to specialise in areas of obstretics and gynaecology or females to specialise in urology where the focus of that speciality are those systems.

3. Not to exceed limits of khalwa’ and exposure of awra’

al-darar yudfa’u bi-qadr al imkan (harm is to be eliminated within reasonable limits)

Awra’:

• If any part of the awra’ must be uncovered then all effort must be made to expose only the minimum required, and to cover as soon as possible.

• If any part of the anatomy is to be palpated or touched then one must ensure that the minimum of touching is done to ascertain what is required and for the least reasonable period.

Khalwa’:

• The ethical and legal right of privacy competes with the obligation of khalwa’ as there may be times where one needs to see a patient alone so as not to breach confidentiality of an embarrassing medical issue, even before the husband or wife. For this reason, because of medico-legal requirements, a medical professional would not be liable under shariah if he/she consulted with the opposite gender alone for the same conditions as “Availability of appropriate gender health professional” above.

• When discussing about, or examining the areas of shahwa’ one should make every effort to do this in the company of the patient’s spouse. This should be done to the extent the above point allows. Examining patients awra’ in direct view of the patients mahram other than the spouse is not permissible, if this is considered awra’ for the mahram also. If the patient insists then there is no shari’ liability on the health professional.

• Examining the areas of shahwa’ should only be done in direct view of a chaperone of the same gender as the patient. (i.e when a female doctor is obligated to examine a male patient, a male chaperone is advised if possible- this situation should be avoided by all reasonable means).

Final Note- One must uphold professionalism (aadaab) in one’s conduct always. This is a requirement in both shariah as well as a medico-legal obligation.

Source: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?49650-Being-a-female-Doctor...what-are-my-limitations
 
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Hamza Asadullah said:
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That is why it is encouraged for Muslim women to take up such specialities as Gynacology so that there is less of a chance of Muslim women having to see male gynacologists.
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I disagree with muslim women working, only if it's absolutely necessary. They can go to a female non muslim gynae.
 
Paprika said:
I disagree with muslim women working, only if it's absolutely necessary. They can go to a female non muslim gynae.
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In general, if one can maintain the Islamic limits and manners of social interaction, then such work would be in itself permitted. So one couldn't get into khalwa situations, or shake hands with persons of the opposite gender, or wear clothing that defines the form of one's awra (nakedness), or such haram matters.

As for interaction with persons of the other gender, the ruling for this according to the traditional fuqaha is that it is disliked unless there is a genuine need (whether worldly, such as work, or next-worldly, such as Islamic instruction), and no fear of fitna, and such interaction is kept to the reasonable minimum needed, because interaction with persons of the other gender is an exception based on need and such exceptions are only allowed to the extent needed, not more.

Source:http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=10&ID=1358&CATE=88

Sometimes it becomes necessery for a woman to work and other times there are many professions such as Gynacology for example that needs more Muslim women. So if the above conditions are met then there is nothing wrong with women working if they want to or have to.

And Allah knows best in all matters
 
Hamza Asadullah said:
In general, if one can maintain the Islamic limits and manners of social interaction, then such work would be in itself permitted. So one couldn't get into khalwa situations, or shake hands with persons of the opposite gender, or wear clothing that defines the form of one's awra (nakedness), or such haram matters.

As for interaction with persons of the other gender, the ruling for this according to the traditional fuqaha is that it is disliked unless there is a genuine need (whether worldly, such as work, or next-worldly, such as Islamic instruction), and no fear of fitna, and such interaction is kept to the reasonable minimum needed, because interaction with persons of the other gender is an exception based on need and such exceptions are only allowed to the extent needed, not more.

Source:http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=10&ID=1358&CATE=88

Sometimes it becomes necessery for a woman to work and other times there are many professions such as Gynacology for example that needs more Muslim women. So if the above conditions are met then there is nothing wrong with women working if they want to or have to.

And Allah knows best in all matters
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For sure, i just get barking mad when they make every excuse in the book coz they want a profession. Most of the time it does not meet any of the Islamic criteria, but nooooo they want to work. Western brainwashing if you ask me.
 
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