Sharia law - do you really want it?

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aamirsaab said:
Which has also been explained. The difference between the UK/US and sharia law is this:
* one completely ignores gender roles
* one doesn't.

Islam recognises that there are differences between men and women. Historically, pscyhologically and sociologically men are considered to be the more dominant (in terms of responsibility at least) of the sexes. Sharia doesn't aim for equality as such but it does aim for justice through EQUITY.

For simplicity, take heed of the following analogy:

A snickers bar is different to a mars - but they're both classified as chocolate bars; one has nuts, the other doesn't.
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But for the sake of this conversation, I say a snickers bar is as good the mars bar. Who's right then?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
This has been explained thouroughly , women do get less, but are not expected to pay bills.
Of course, this is still dixtriminatory, not only to women but to men as well.
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The post from Nikky appears to indicate that wives get less but I presume that there's a formula somewhere and I'd like to know what it is. If you know where I can read it - point me to it>
 
before even having a good and harmonious discussion,the person you're having it with must be an open minded person,a person who is not engulfed by misconceptions.....when this ignorance will end i dont know ....they called us the mohammedans in the 20th century simply because they stupildy thought that mohammed was our divine lord,because of their false belief that christ was their lord and thus calling themselves christians they thought it also applied to us....mohammed is a figure we cherish so we must be the worshippers of mohammed...thus giving us the name mohammaedans......,but now there's a new batch of misconceptions b4 christianity went through reformation,women werent allowed to speak in the churches,they had to veil themselves and the women was the property of her husband and so on, the list of shinnanigans is as long as elephant trunks....the westerner implemented these injustices on their women and after the reformation it has all changed and so when they see a muslim man with his veiled wife...
 
....they think we are following the same steps of backwardness and so we need a reform...but they say this with know knowledge of islam......................... 'if the westerner was in darkness b4 then so are we' thats how they think........its easier to come to an understanding and an agreement if ye read the scriptures
 
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the thread starter has relentless hatred for the shariah law its obvious he doesnt want discussion maybe im wrong but the thread title gives it away....why you may ask? we are on an islamic forum and we have this great ''thinker'' asking a muslim crowd a sarcastic question....'the shariah....do you 'REALLY' want it?'...what kind of question is that we are muslims and we believe shariah to be the divine law given to us by allah...so why ask a muslim do your REALLY want it? it doesnt make sense......or maybe im just chatting it? i dont know
 
J.U.N.I.O.R said:
the thread starter has relentless hatred for the shariah law its obvious he doesnt want discussion maybe im wrong but the thread title gives it away....why you may ask? we are on an islamic forum and we have this great ''thinker'' asking a muslim crowd a sarcastic question....'the shariah....do you 'REALLY' want it?'...what kind of question is that we are muslims and we believe shariah to be the divine law given to us by allah...so why ask a muslim do your REALLY want it? it doesnt make sense......or maybe im just chatting it? i dont know
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Yes, the intentions of the thread starter doesnt sound too good.
 
Although you may be a Muslim living in a country which is not governed by sharia law, would it be right that a good Muslim should apply the sharia law to themsleves where they can? . . . . . . . . .

From what I have read it appears that men can divorce their wives at will and without reason whereas women cannot divorce their husbands without the permission of the courts and they are unlikley to grant permission unless the husband contravenes Islamic teachings.

After a wife is divorced she can keep her dowry and the children until the are ‘weaned’ and the husband must support the child during the weaning period. After the child is weaned it would normally go to the husband.

After that the wife is not entitled to half the assets, any of her husbands salary and other earnings or pension.

If that is correct do you believe that a good Muslim women living in a country which is not governed by sharia law should volunteer (upon divorce) only to take what the sharia law entitles her to? To take it further, would she be contravening Islam by not applying sharia law to what she take upon divorce?
 
Mysterious Uk said:
Yes, the intentions of the thread starter doesnt sound too good.
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Why do you question my intentions? My initial question was simple, I could not believe that anyone would want to be governed as the taliban govern the people in the areas they control. I got lots of replies saying that they would but they were all from men. So I asked what do the women think. How, from that, do you gleen that I have questionable intent? Do you believe that we shouldn't ask questions that are difficult to explain?

Mysterious UK . . . . . . you are living in the UK, if you divorce from your husband you are entitled to the children and at least 50% of everything, if that unfortunate situation befalls you will you be refusing 50% and just taking your dowry?.
 
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From what I have read it appears that men can divorce their wives at will and without reason whereas women cannot divorce their husbands without the permission of the courts and they are unlikley to grant permission unless the husband contravenes Islamic teachings.

Where did you read that?

After a wife is divorced she can keep her dowry and the children until the are ‘weaned’ and the husband must support the child during the weaning period. After the child is weaned it would normally go to the husband.

So? When the child grows up it can choose who to stay with. In the UK the mother gains custody is that fair on the husband?

After that the wife is not entitled to half the assets, any of her husbands salary and other earnings or pension.

Why would she be? They have no relationship, Islamically a womens brothers, father, sons, uncles etc should provide for her if she is single
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Read all the other posts thinker
 
Thinker said:
Why do you question my intentions? My initial question was simple, I could not believe that anyone would want to be governed as the taliban govern the people in the areas they control. I got lots of replies saying that they would but they were all from men. So I asked what do the women think. How, from that, do you gleen that I have questionable intent? Do you believe that we shouldn't ask questions that are difficult to explain?

Mysterious UK . . . . . . you are living in the UK, if you divorce from your husband you are entitled to the children and at least 50% of everything, if that unfortunate situation befalls you will you be refusing 50% and just taking your dowry?.
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You're clearly twisting things to suit yourself, when did anyone say they wanted to be governed the way the taliban do?
 
aadil77 said:
You're clearly twisting things to suit yourself, when did anyone say they wanted to be governed the way the taliban do?
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The taliban is the only example I can see of total sharia law - are you suggesting that the taliban are not operating sharia law?
 
Thinker said:
After many years of trying I am still trying to understand women - why do women stay with men who beat them?
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Anyone who thinks Muslim women are oppressed, abused and generally forced into mousy subordination obviously hasn't met any women in my family.
 
the taliban operate under their own tribal code more than shari'a,,
 
aadil77 said:
After that the wife is not entitled to half the assets, any of her husbands salary and other earnings or pension.

Why would she be? They have no relationship, Islamically a womens brothers, father, sons, uncles etc should provide for her if she is single
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I’m with you, recite the talaq three times and kick her out without a penny – sounds fair to me!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talaq_(Nikah)
 
so what are you implying ? that western women become muslims and stay with a religion that beats their freedom and liberation senseless ??? if you want to fully understand islam and its laws you have to take a holistic approach and not seperate small bits while analyzing with your preconditioned brain filled with misconceptions...which will only lead you to do false analysis that would then make you bite your finger nails in agitation ''oh!! the taleban...:('
 
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