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salam and greetings to all
for unbreakable
In the bottom of my heart i think u already know where or what is the black stone, al-Hajar-ul-Aswad might be the best candidate for something that you keeping asking, there is nothing special about it but many non muslims had a wrong view on it.It is one of the cornerstones of the Kaaba, the building towards which all Muslims pray.The Stone was found by Ibrahim(pbuh) and his son Ismail(pbuh) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba.Many Muslims regard the Stone as just a stone,our prophet(pbuh) kiss the stone and the stone itself signed as ummat(prophet followers)so all the muslim follow what our prophet(pbuh) do as a sunnah thats all.
Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia:
'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you."
:brother:
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In the bottom of my heart i think u already know where or what is the black stone, al-Hajar-ul-Aswad might be the best candidate for something that you keeping asking, there is nothing special about it but many non muslims had a wrong view on it.It is one of the cornerstones of the Kaaba, the building towards which all Muslims pray.The Stone was found by Ibrahim(pbuh) and his son Ismail(pbuh) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba.Many Muslims regard the Stone as just a stone,our prophet(pbuh) kiss the stone and the stone itself signed as ummat(prophet followers)so all the muslim follow what our prophet(pbuh) do as a sunnah thats all.
Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia:
'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you."
:brother:
is there anything else you would like to have explained?
The Quran says that God is above the 7 heavens. does'nt this mean that God is in space? did'n Quran know that people would one day be able to travel in space? where is he then on his throne in space??
and i still need to see those 3-5 scientific verses from the Quran talking about the creation or the universe..
The Quran says that God is above the 7 heavens. does'nt this mean that God is in space? did'n Quran know that people would one day be able to travel in space? where is he then on his throne in space??
and i still need to see those 3-5 scientific verses from the Quran talking about the creation or the universe..
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This was your original question
Then you asked
Both are vague, you never said "from". You can see how vague the question is and that it can mean anything, so i believe you should apologise to bro Ansar for calling him stupid, that is if you are humble enough to admit you are wrong
Then you asked
Both are vague, you never said "from". You can see how vague the question is and that it can mean anything, so i believe you should apologise to bro Ansar for calling him stupid, that is if you are humble enough to admit you are wrong
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Greetings,
I thought I should clarify that although the thread began with some offensive remarks, many of these were removed and members were advised to remain respectful, which they took on board and thereafter apologised - this can be understood by reading the first pages.
It is very nice of you to come and explain your religion, since many people were unsure about what it involved, but unfortunately it hasn't been the best of discussions. This is because while there have been some people who have come and done the right thing, others have entered the discussion by simply pasting things from irrelevant debates on other forums when they could have simply clarified the questions raised here, and then resorting to insultive behaviour when some content was rightfully removed.
Since the original questions were left and new ones were raised about Islam, I believe the "challenge" is not one-sided as was implied and it would be helpful if we could deal with them one at a time since I am sure they will be answered all in good time.
Thank you for your willingness to dialogue and reading the forum rules,
Warm Regards.
I thought I should clarify that although the thread began with some offensive remarks, many of these were removed and members were advised to remain respectful, which they took on board and thereafter apologised - this can be understood by reading the first pages.
It is very nice of you to come and explain your religion, since many people were unsure about what it involved, but unfortunately it hasn't been the best of discussions. This is because while there have been some people who have come and done the right thing, others have entered the discussion by simply pasting things from irrelevant debates on other forums when they could have simply clarified the questions raised here, and then resorting to insultive behaviour when some content was rightfully removed.
Since the original questions were left and new ones were raised about Islam, I believe the "challenge" is not one-sided as was implied and it would be helpful if we could deal with them one at a time since I am sure they will be answered all in good time.
Thank you for your willingness to dialogue and reading the forum rules,
Warm Regards.
Salaam Muhammad.
you are right. the focus on the debate has changed, and then we also started questioning Islam. yet i see no problems with this aslong as we are still answering each others questions.
and yes, no one should be slamming and cursing each other. we are not animals, and none of over prophets would have supported this behaviour.
as far as i think, we have explained all the questions raised on sikhism, but if you have anymore, then you are all welcome to ask us.
Ma Salaama
you are right. the focus on the debate has changed, and then we also started questioning Islam. yet i see no problems with this aslong as we are still answering each others questions.
and yes, no one should be slamming and cursing each other. we are not animals, and none of over prophets would have supported this behaviour.
as far as i think, we have explained all the questions raised on sikhism, but if you have anymore, then you are all welcome to ask us.
Ma Salaama
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I understand what your sayin but think about it loads of people kiss it on one day and i have even seen people licking it then isnt that a bit
, like is it compulsory to kiss it or can you just touch it?
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salam and peace to u bhai
Thats was a common question from sikh to the muslim, i heard that before, infact my singh friend asking that,but i dont want to get involve interfaith dialogue directly from conversation.it could bring a bad consequence due to lack of knowledge about sikh/islam relegion.
Until im asking about your sikh common practice, especially the meat slaughtered by muslim way.I never expect to get an answer such like that,infact you condem us with something thats u never understand, but its ok thats your opinion you deserve it.Thats why you being a sikh and im being a muslim.
your are chanting the name of God while you are killing an animal
We said god name is becuse to get a bless,strength and mercyful.Its funny to say your own name or"acha"or"amma"or"bhaiaa" or whatever.
you are killing an animal
We are slaughtering not killing.We not doing thats for fun or revenge or hunting.Killing is practice in battlefield,hunting,revenge,fighting and something like thats,dont you get it.Unlike the animal that raised by human.
if you kill, be a man and do it in your own name .dont blasfemise Gods name by doing so..
At least we have face to face with the subject to slaughter, we are not just chopping like that from behind.
And when youre talking or writing do it whith a mind and heart.And never using one of thats alone.
1. ISLAMIC METHOD OF SLAUGHTERING ANIMAL
ZAKKAYTUM IS A VERB DERIVED FROM THE ROOT WORD ZAKAH (TO PURIFY). ITS INFINITIVE IS TAZKIYAH WHICH MEANS PURIFICATION. THE ISLAMIC MODE OF SLAUGHTERING AN ANIMAL REQUIRES THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS TO BE MET:
A. ANIMAL SHOULD BE SLAUGHTERED WITH SHARP OBJECT (KNIFE)
THE ANIMAL HAS TO BE SLAUGHTERED WITH A SHARP OBJECT (KNIFE) AND IN A FAST WAY SO THAT THE PAIN OF SLAUGHTER IS MINIMISED.
B. CUT WIND PIPE, THROAT AND VESSELS OF NECK
ZABIHA IS AN ARABIC WORD WHICH MEANS ‘SLAUGHTERED’. THE ‘SLAUGHTERING’ IS TO BE DONE BY CUTTING THE THROAT, WINDPIPE AND THE BLOOD VESSELS IN THE NECK CAUSING THE ANIMAL’S DEATH WITHOUT CUTTING THE SPINAL CORD.
C. BLOOD SHOULD BE DRAINED
THE BLOOD HAS TO BE DRAINED COMPLETELY BEFORE THE HEAD IS REMOVED. THE PURPOSE IS TO DRAIN OUT MOST OF THE BLOOD WHICH WOULD SERVE AS A GOOD CULTURE MEDIUM FOR MICRO ORGANISMS. THE SPINAL CORD MUST NOT BE CUT BECAUSE THE NERVE FIBRES TO THE HEART COULD BE DAMAGED DURING THE PROCESS CAUSING CARDIAC ARREST, STAGNATING THE BLOOD IN THE BLOOD VESSELS.
2. BLOOD IS A GOOD MEDIUM FOR GERMS AND BACTERIA
BLOOD IS A GOOD MEDIA OF GERMS, BACTERIA, TOXINS, ETC. THEREFORE THE MUSLIM WAY OF SLAUGHTERING IS MORE HYGIENIC AS MOST OF THE BLOOD CONTAINING GERMS, BACTERIA, TOXINS, ETC. THAT ARE THE CAUSE OF SEVERAL DISEASES ARE ELIMINATED.
3. MEAT REMAINS FRESH FOR A LONGER TIME
MEAT SLAUGHTERED BY ISLAMIC WAY REMAINS FRESH FOR A LONGER TIME DUE TO DEFICIENCY OF BLOOD IN THE MEAT AS COMPARED TO OTHER METHODS OF SLAUGHTERING.
4. ANIMAL DOES NOT FEEL PAIN
THE SWIFT CUTTING OF VESSELS OF THE NECK DISCONNECTS THE FLOW OF BLOOD TO THE NERVE OF THE BRAIN RESPONSIBLE FOR PAIN. THUS THE ANIMAL DOES NOT FEEL PAIN. WHILE DYING, THE ANIMAL STRUGGLES, WRITHERS, SHAKES AND KICKS, NOT DUE TO PAIN, BUT DUE TO THE CONTRACTION AND RELAXATION OF THE MUSCLES DEFECIENT IN BLOOD AND DUE TO THE FLOW OF BLOOD OUT OF THE BODY.
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If you were to ask the relatives of the american contractors, which would you have preferred a slow frontal cutting of the throat or a single blow to the head which one do you think they would have preferred for their loved ones? the method of killing is nasty QED no science no nothing is needed to proove it whther it be an animal or a human, their can be no justification.
No offence but I do not agree with the method of halal,
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No offence but I do not agree with the method of halal,
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I have seen the videos of those executions all of them!, do you think they were clean and best for the victim, the harrowing screams and the belching of blood, watching the videos a part of me died also
ffended: Why do you think the animal is not worth more than this? is this from sunnah or koran?
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I have seen the videos of those executions all of them!, do you think they were clean and best for the victim, the harrowing screams and the belching of blood, watching the videos a part of me died also
Like starfortress said, they die immediately, but its only due to cardiac unrest that it happens
We are encouraged to be kind to animals. Read this article Does Islam Encourage Kindness to Animals?
Although we are expected to be kind to animals, animals permissable to us, when required by us, can be slaughtered to eat. I will post what your favourite man Dr Zakir Naik said on this
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Re: Why do Muslims eat meat?
Question:
Killing an animal is a ruthless act. Why then do Muslims consume non-vegetarian food?
Answer:
‘Vegetarianism’ is now a movement the world over. Many even associate it with animal rights. Indeed, a large number of people consider the consumption of meat and other non-vegetarian products to be a violation of animal rights.
Islam enjoins mercy and compassion for all living creatures. At the same time Islam maintains that Allah has created the earth and its wondrous flora and fauna for the benefit of mankind. It is upto mankind to use every resource in this world judiciously, as a niyamat (Divine blessing) and amanat (trust) from Allah.
Let us look at various other aspects of this argument.
1. A Muslim can be a pure vegetarian
A Muslim can be a very good Muslim despite being a pure vegetarian. It is not compulsory for a Muslim to have non-vegetarian food.
2. Qur’an permits Muslims to have non-vegetarian food
The Qur’an, however permits a Muslim to have non-vegetarian food. The following Qur’anic verses are proof of this fact:
"O ye who believe! Fulfil (all) obligations. Lawful unto you (for food) are all four-footed animals with the exceptions named."
[Al-Qur’an 5:1]
"And cattle He has created for you (men): from them Ye derive warmth, and numerous benefits, And of their (meat) ye eat."
[Al-Qur’an 16:5]
"And in cattle (too) ye have an instructive example: From within their bodies We produce (milk) for you to drink; there are, in them, (besides), numerous (other) benefits for you; and of their (meat) ye eat."
[Al-Qur’an 23:21]
3. Meat is nutritious and rich in complete protein
Non-vegetarian food is a good source of excellent protein. It contains biologically complete protein i.e. all the 8 essential amino acid that are not synthesized by the body and should be supplied in the diet. Meat also contains iron, vitamin B1 and niacin.
4. Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth
If you observe the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow, goat and sheep, you will find something strikingly similar in all of them. All these animals have a set of flat teeth i.e. suited for herbivorous diet. If you observe the set of teeth of the carnivorous animals like the lion, tiger, or leopard, they all have a set of pointed teeth i.e. suited for a carnivorous diet. If you analyze the set of teeth of humans, you find that they have flat teeth as well as pointed teeth. Thus they have teeth suited for both herbivorous as well as carnivorous food i.e. they are omnivorous. One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.
5. Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food
The digestive system of herbivorous animals can digest only vegetables. The digestive system of carnivorous animals can digest only meat. But the digestive system of humans can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food. If Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables then why did He give us a digestive system that can digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food?
6. Hindu scriptures give permission to have non-vegetarian food
There are many Hindus who are strictly vegetarian. They think it is against their religion to consume non-vegetarian food. But the true fact is that the Hindu scriptures permit a person to have meat. The scriptures mention Hindu sages and saints consuming non-vegetarian food.
It is mentioned in Manu Smruti, the law book of Hindus, in chapter 5 verse 30
"The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad, even if he does it day after day, for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater."
Again next verse of Manu Smruti, that is, chapter 5 verse 31 says
"Eating meat is right for the sacrifice, this is traditionally known as a rule of the gods."
Further in Manu Smruti chapter 5 verse 39 and 40 says
"God himself created sacrificial animals for sacrifice, ...., therefore killing in a sacrifice is not killing."
Mahabharata Anushashan Parva chapter 88 narrates the discussion between Dharmaraj Yudhishthira and Pitamah Bhishma about what food one should offer to Pitris (ancestors) during the Shraddha (ceremony of dead) to keep them satisfied. Paragraph reads as follows:
"Yudhishthira said, "O thou of great puissance, tell me what that object is which, if dedicated to the Pitiris (dead ancestors), become inexhaustible! What Havi, again, (if offered) lasts for all time? What, indeed, is that which (if presented) becomes eternal?"
"Bhishma said, "Listen to me, O Yudhishthira, what those Havis are which persons conversant with the rituals of the Shraddha (the ceremony of dead) regard as suitable in view of Shraddha and what the fruits are that attach to each. With sesame seeds and rice and barely and Masha and water and roots and fruits, if given at Shraddhas, the pitris, O king, remain gratified for the period of a month. With fishes offered at Shraddhas, the pitris remain gratified for a period of two months. With the mutton they remain gratified for three months and with the hare for four months, with the flesh of the goat for five months, with the bacon (meat of pig) for six months, and with the flesh of birds for seven. With venison obtained from those deer that are called Prishata, they remaingratified for eight months, and with that obtained from the Ruru for nine months, and with the meat of Gavaya for ten months, With the meat of the bufffalo their gratification lasts for eleven months. With beef presented at the Shraddha, their gratification, it is said , lasts for a full year. Payasa mixed with ghee is as much acceptable to the pitris as beef. With the meat of Vadhrinasa (a large bull) the gratification of pitris lasts for twelve years. The flesh of rhinoceros, offered to the pitris on anniversaries of the lunar days on which they died, becomes inexhaustible. The potherb called Kalaska, the petals of kanchana flower, and meat of (red) goat also, thus offered, prove inexhaustible.
So but natural if you want to keep your ancestors satisfied forever, you should serve them the meat of red goat.
7. Hinduism was influenced by other religions
Though Hindu Scriptures permit its followers to have non-vegetarian food, many Hindus adopted the vegetarian system because they were influenced by other religions like Jainism.
8. Even plants have life
Certain religions have adopted pure vegetarianism as a dietary law because they are totally against the killing of living creatures. If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. In the past people thought plants were lifeless. Today it is a universal fact that even plants have life. Thus their logic of not killing living creatures is not fulfilled even by being a pure vegetarian.
9. Even plants can feel pain
They further argue that plants cannot feel pain, therefore killing a plant is a lesser crime as compared to killing an animal. Today science tells us that even plants can feel pain. But the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human being. This is due to the inability of the human ear to hear sounds that are not in the audible range i.e. 20 Hertz to 20,000 Hertz. Anything below and above this range cannot be heard by a human being. A dog can hear up to 40,000 Hertz. Thus there are silent dog whistles that have a frequency of more than 20,000 Hertz and less than 40,000 Hertz. These whistles are only heard by dogs and not by human beings. The dog recognizes the masters whistle and comes to the master. There was research done by a farmer in U.S.A. who invented an instrument which converted the cry of the plant so that it could be heard by human beings. He was able to realize immediately when the plant itself cried for water. Latest researches show that the plants can even feel happy and sad. It can also cry.
10. Killing a living creature with two senses less is not a lesser crime
Once a vegetarian argued his case by saying that plants only have two or three senses while the animals have five senses.
Therefore killing a plant is a lesser crime than killing an animal. Suppose your brother is born deaf and dumb and has two senses less as compared to other human beings. He becomes mature and someone murders him. Would you ask the judge to give the murderer a lesser punishment because your brother has two senses less? In fact you would say that he has killed a masoom, an innocent person, and the judge should give the murderer a greater punishment.
In fact the Qur’an says:
"O ye people! Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good"
[Al-Qur’an 2:168]
11. Over population of cattle
If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. Allah (swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle.
12. Cost of meat is reasonable since all aren’t non-vegetarians
I do not mind if some people are pure vegetarians. However they should not condemn non-vegetarians as ruthless. In fact if all Indians become non-vegetarians then the present non-vegetarians would be losers since the prices of meat would rise.
Source http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
Question:
Killing an animal is a ruthless act. Why then do Muslims consume non-vegetarian food?
Answer:
‘Vegetarianism’ is now a movement the world over. Many even associate it with animal rights. Indeed, a large number of people consider the consumption of meat and other non-vegetarian products to be a violation of animal rights.
Islam enjoins mercy and compassion for all living creatures. At the same time Islam maintains that Allah has created the earth and its wondrous flora and fauna for the benefit of mankind. It is upto mankind to use every resource in this world judiciously, as a niyamat (Divine blessing) and amanat (trust) from Allah.
Let us look at various other aspects of this argument.
1. A Muslim can be a pure vegetarian
A Muslim can be a very good Muslim despite being a pure vegetarian. It is not compulsory for a Muslim to have non-vegetarian food.
2. Qur’an permits Muslims to have non-vegetarian food
The Qur’an, however permits a Muslim to have non-vegetarian food. The following Qur’anic verses are proof of this fact:
"O ye who believe! Fulfil (all) obligations. Lawful unto you (for food) are all four-footed animals with the exceptions named."
[Al-Qur’an 5:1]
"And cattle He has created for you (men): from them Ye derive warmth, and numerous benefits, And of their (meat) ye eat."
[Al-Qur’an 16:5]
"And in cattle (too) ye have an instructive example: From within their bodies We produce (milk) for you to drink; there are, in them, (besides), numerous (other) benefits for you; and of their (meat) ye eat."
[Al-Qur’an 23:21]
3. Meat is nutritious and rich in complete protein
Non-vegetarian food is a good source of excellent protein. It contains biologically complete protein i.e. all the 8 essential amino acid that are not synthesized by the body and should be supplied in the diet. Meat also contains iron, vitamin B1 and niacin.
4. Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth
If you observe the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow, goat and sheep, you will find something strikingly similar in all of them. All these animals have a set of flat teeth i.e. suited for herbivorous diet. If you observe the set of teeth of the carnivorous animals like the lion, tiger, or leopard, they all have a set of pointed teeth i.e. suited for a carnivorous diet. If you analyze the set of teeth of humans, you find that they have flat teeth as well as pointed teeth. Thus they have teeth suited for both herbivorous as well as carnivorous food i.e. they are omnivorous. One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.
5. Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food
The digestive system of herbivorous animals can digest only vegetables. The digestive system of carnivorous animals can digest only meat. But the digestive system of humans can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food. If Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables then why did He give us a digestive system that can digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food?
6. Hindu scriptures give permission to have non-vegetarian food
There are many Hindus who are strictly vegetarian. They think it is against their religion to consume non-vegetarian food. But the true fact is that the Hindu scriptures permit a person to have meat. The scriptures mention Hindu sages and saints consuming non-vegetarian food.
It is mentioned in Manu Smruti, the law book of Hindus, in chapter 5 verse 30
"The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad, even if he does it day after day, for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater."
Again next verse of Manu Smruti, that is, chapter 5 verse 31 says
"Eating meat is right for the sacrifice, this is traditionally known as a rule of the gods."
Further in Manu Smruti chapter 5 verse 39 and 40 says
"God himself created sacrificial animals for sacrifice, ...., therefore killing in a sacrifice is not killing."
Mahabharata Anushashan Parva chapter 88 narrates the discussion between Dharmaraj Yudhishthira and Pitamah Bhishma about what food one should offer to Pitris (ancestors) during the Shraddha (ceremony of dead) to keep them satisfied. Paragraph reads as follows:
"Yudhishthira said, "O thou of great puissance, tell me what that object is which, if dedicated to the Pitiris (dead ancestors), become inexhaustible! What Havi, again, (if offered) lasts for all time? What, indeed, is that which (if presented) becomes eternal?"
"Bhishma said, "Listen to me, O Yudhishthira, what those Havis are which persons conversant with the rituals of the Shraddha (the ceremony of dead) regard as suitable in view of Shraddha and what the fruits are that attach to each. With sesame seeds and rice and barely and Masha and water and roots and fruits, if given at Shraddhas, the pitris, O king, remain gratified for the period of a month. With fishes offered at Shraddhas, the pitris remain gratified for a period of two months. With the mutton they remain gratified for three months and with the hare for four months, with the flesh of the goat for five months, with the bacon (meat of pig) for six months, and with the flesh of birds for seven. With venison obtained from those deer that are called Prishata, they remaingratified for eight months, and with that obtained from the Ruru for nine months, and with the meat of Gavaya for ten months, With the meat of the bufffalo their gratification lasts for eleven months. With beef presented at the Shraddha, their gratification, it is said , lasts for a full year. Payasa mixed with ghee is as much acceptable to the pitris as beef. With the meat of Vadhrinasa (a large bull) the gratification of pitris lasts for twelve years. The flesh of rhinoceros, offered to the pitris on anniversaries of the lunar days on which they died, becomes inexhaustible. The potherb called Kalaska, the petals of kanchana flower, and meat of (red) goat also, thus offered, prove inexhaustible.
So but natural if you want to keep your ancestors satisfied forever, you should serve them the meat of red goat.
7. Hinduism was influenced by other religions
Though Hindu Scriptures permit its followers to have non-vegetarian food, many Hindus adopted the vegetarian system because they were influenced by other religions like Jainism.
8. Even plants have life
Certain religions have adopted pure vegetarianism as a dietary law because they are totally against the killing of living creatures. If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. In the past people thought plants were lifeless. Today it is a universal fact that even plants have life. Thus their logic of not killing living creatures is not fulfilled even by being a pure vegetarian.
9. Even plants can feel pain
They further argue that plants cannot feel pain, therefore killing a plant is a lesser crime as compared to killing an animal. Today science tells us that even plants can feel pain. But the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human being. This is due to the inability of the human ear to hear sounds that are not in the audible range i.e. 20 Hertz to 20,000 Hertz. Anything below and above this range cannot be heard by a human being. A dog can hear up to 40,000 Hertz. Thus there are silent dog whistles that have a frequency of more than 20,000 Hertz and less than 40,000 Hertz. These whistles are only heard by dogs and not by human beings. The dog recognizes the masters whistle and comes to the master. There was research done by a farmer in U.S.A. who invented an instrument which converted the cry of the plant so that it could be heard by human beings. He was able to realize immediately when the plant itself cried for water. Latest researches show that the plants can even feel happy and sad. It can also cry.
10. Killing a living creature with two senses less is not a lesser crime
Once a vegetarian argued his case by saying that plants only have two or three senses while the animals have five senses.
Therefore killing a plant is a lesser crime than killing an animal. Suppose your brother is born deaf and dumb and has two senses less as compared to other human beings. He becomes mature and someone murders him. Would you ask the judge to give the murderer a lesser punishment because your brother has two senses less? In fact you would say that he has killed a masoom, an innocent person, and the judge should give the murderer a greater punishment.
In fact the Qur’an says:
"O ye people! Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good"
[Al-Qur’an 2:168]
11. Over population of cattle
If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. Allah (swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle.
12. Cost of meat is reasonable since all aren’t non-vegetarians
I do not mind if some people are pure vegetarians. However they should not condemn non-vegetarians as ruthless. In fact if all Indians become non-vegetarians then the present non-vegetarians would be losers since the prices of meat would rise.
Source http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
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Re: Why do Muslims slaughter the animal ruthlessly
Theres a sikh joke in here just for you
Question:
Why do Muslims slaughter the animal in a ruthless manner by torturing it and slowly and painfully killing it?
Answer:
The Islamic method of slaughtering animals, known as Zabiha has been the object of much criticism from a large number of people.
Before I reply to the question, let me relate an incidence about a discussion between a Sikh and a Muslim regarding animal slaughter.
Once a Sikh asked a Muslim, "Why do you slaughter the animal painfully by cutting the throat instead of the way we do with one stroke i.e. jhatka?" The Muslim replied "We are brave and courageous and attack from the front. We are marad ka baccha (macho men), you are cowards and attack from behind".
Jokes apart, one may consider the following points, which prove that the Zabiha method is not only humane but also scientifically the best:
1. Islamic method of slaughtering animal
Zakkaytum is a verb derived from the root word Zakah (to purify). Its infinitive is Tazkiyah which means purification. The Islamic mode of slaughtering an animal requires the following conditions to be met:
a. Animal should be slaughtered with sharp object (knife)
The animal has to be slaughtered with a sharp object (knife) and in a fast way so that the pain of slaughter is minimised.
b. Cut wind pipe, throat and vessels of neck
Zabiha is an Arabic word which means ‘slaughtered’. The ‘slaughtering’ is to be done by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord.
c. Blood should be drained
The blood has to be drained completely before the head is removed. The purpose is to drain out most of the blood which would serve as a good culture medium for micro organisms. The spinal cord must not be cut because the nerve fibres to the heart could be damaged during the process causing cardiac arrest, stagnating the blood in the blood vessels.
2. Blood is a good medium for germs and bacteria
Blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. Therefore the Muslim way of slaughtering is more hygienic as most of the blood containing germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. that are the cause of several diseases are eliminated.
3. Meat remains fresh for a longer time
Meat slaughtered by Islamic way remains fresh for a longer time due to deficiency of blood in the meat as compared to other methods of slaughtering.
4. Animal does not feel pain
The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles defecient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body.
Source http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
Theres a sikh joke in here just for you
Question:
Why do Muslims slaughter the animal in a ruthless manner by torturing it and slowly and painfully killing it?
Answer:
The Islamic method of slaughtering animals, known as Zabiha has been the object of much criticism from a large number of people.
Before I reply to the question, let me relate an incidence about a discussion between a Sikh and a Muslim regarding animal slaughter.
Once a Sikh asked a Muslim, "Why do you slaughter the animal painfully by cutting the throat instead of the way we do with one stroke i.e. jhatka?" The Muslim replied "We are brave and courageous and attack from the front. We are marad ka baccha (macho men), you are cowards and attack from behind".
Jokes apart, one may consider the following points, which prove that the Zabiha method is not only humane but also scientifically the best:
1. Islamic method of slaughtering animal
Zakkaytum is a verb derived from the root word Zakah (to purify). Its infinitive is Tazkiyah which means purification. The Islamic mode of slaughtering an animal requires the following conditions to be met:
a. Animal should be slaughtered with sharp object (knife)
The animal has to be slaughtered with a sharp object (knife) and in a fast way so that the pain of slaughter is minimised.
b. Cut wind pipe, throat and vessels of neck
Zabiha is an Arabic word which means ‘slaughtered’. The ‘slaughtering’ is to be done by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord.
c. Blood should be drained
The blood has to be drained completely before the head is removed. The purpose is to drain out most of the blood which would serve as a good culture medium for micro organisms. The spinal cord must not be cut because the nerve fibres to the heart could be damaged during the process causing cardiac arrest, stagnating the blood in the blood vessels.
2. Blood is a good medium for germs and bacteria
Blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. Therefore the Muslim way of slaughtering is more hygienic as most of the blood containing germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. that are the cause of several diseases are eliminated.
3. Meat remains fresh for a longer time
Meat slaughtered by Islamic way remains fresh for a longer time due to deficiency of blood in the meat as compared to other methods of slaughtering.
4. Animal does not feel pain
The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles defecient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body.
Source http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
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Re: Eating animals makes muslims violent
Question:
Science tell us that whatever one eats, it has an effect on one’s behaviour. Why then, does Islam allow Muslims to eat non-vegetarian food, since eating of animals could make a person violent and ferocious?
Answer:
1. Only eating of herbivorous animals allowed
I agree that, what a person eats has an effect on his behaviour. This is one of the reasons why Islam prohibits the eating of carnivorous animals like lion, tiger, leopard, etc. who are violent and ferocious. The consumption of the meat of such animals would probably make a person violent and ferocious. Islam only allows the eating of herbivorous animals like cow, goat, sheep, etc. that are peaceful and docile. We Muslims eat peaceful and docile animals because we are peace loving and non-violent people.
2. The Qur’an says Prophet prohibits what is bad
The Qur’an says:
"The Prophet commands them what is just and prohibits what is evil". "He allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them what is bad (and impure),"
[Al-Qur’an 7: 157]
"So take what the Messenger assigns to you and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you."
[Al-Qur’an 59: 7]
For a Muslim, the Prophet’s statement is sufficient to convince him that Allah does not wish humans to eat some kinds of meat while allowing some other kinds.
3. Hadith of Mohammad (pbuh) prohibiting eating of carnivorous animals
According to various authentic Ahadith narrated in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim including hadith narrated by Ibn Abbas in Sahih Muslim, Book of hunting and slaughter, Hadith No. 4752 and Sunan Ibn-I-Majah chapter 13 Hadith no. 3232 to 3234, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) prohibited the eating of:
Wild animals with canine teeth, i.e. meat eating carnivorous animals. These are animals belonging to the cat families such as lion, tiger, cats, dogs, wolfs, hyenas, etc.
Certain rodents like mice, rats, rabbits with claws, etc.
Certain reptiles like snakes, alligators, etc.
Birds of prey with talons or claws, like vultures, eagle, crows, owl, etc
Source http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
Question:
Science tell us that whatever one eats, it has an effect on one’s behaviour. Why then, does Islam allow Muslims to eat non-vegetarian food, since eating of animals could make a person violent and ferocious?
Answer:
1. Only eating of herbivorous animals allowed
I agree that, what a person eats has an effect on his behaviour. This is one of the reasons why Islam prohibits the eating of carnivorous animals like lion, tiger, leopard, etc. who are violent and ferocious. The consumption of the meat of such animals would probably make a person violent and ferocious. Islam only allows the eating of herbivorous animals like cow, goat, sheep, etc. that are peaceful and docile. We Muslims eat peaceful and docile animals because we are peace loving and non-violent people.
2. The Qur’an says Prophet prohibits what is bad
The Qur’an says:
"The Prophet commands them what is just and prohibits what is evil". "He allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them what is bad (and impure),"
[Al-Qur’an 7: 157]
"So take what the Messenger assigns to you and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you."
[Al-Qur’an 59: 7]
For a Muslim, the Prophet’s statement is sufficient to convince him that Allah does not wish humans to eat some kinds of meat while allowing some other kinds.
3. Hadith of Mohammad (pbuh) prohibiting eating of carnivorous animals
According to various authentic Ahadith narrated in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim including hadith narrated by Ibn Abbas in Sahih Muslim, Book of hunting and slaughter, Hadith No. 4752 and Sunan Ibn-I-Majah chapter 13 Hadith no. 3232 to 3234, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) prohibited the eating of:
Wild animals with canine teeth, i.e. meat eating carnivorous animals. These are animals belonging to the cat families such as lion, tiger, cats, dogs, wolfs, hyenas, etc.
Certain rodents like mice, rats, rabbits with claws, etc.
Certain reptiles like snakes, alligators, etc.
Birds of prey with talons or claws, like vultures, eagle, crows, owl, etc
Source http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
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Yes like i said its just a joke. i don't know why it was on islam channel, why on earth would it be on there???? it's just a joke that must have happened between a muslim and a sikh
anyway, your question
It's from the sunnah as far as i am aware, the Prophet SAW taught us how, but it doesn't matter if it was from the sunnah or the Qur'an, both count in our eyes